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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by mamboitaliano on September 10, 2015, 06:46:48 pm »
Ultimate G, you're forgetting something!! The scene in FFX-2 Last mission that coincides with the "perfect" ending in FFX-2 has already been retconned!! They completely threw the whole thing out! It was the original ending to the same scene that this book starts out in. This book is retcon of that scene!  :D :D
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by Danko Kaji on September 10, 2015, 04:58:00 pm »
I agree with you, UltimaGriever. There's just not enough words to adequately describe the utter frustration we feel towards the astonishingly negative reception of FFX-2.5. I always imagined Yuna and Tidus would have those kind of arguments, based on their different priorities and values growing up. I liked it actually, because it revealed Yuna's true feelings about post-Sin Church and what she wants to do about it. I mean, really stop to think about this:

Yuna disassembled Vegnagun (with the help of her friends, again). She put Shuyin to rest. She saved a friend from the clutches of a psychopathic Unsent. Things were different this time around. She didn't have to lose friends in order to win. She saved them. Then she ran into Bahamut, who made a ridiculously vague offer disguised as a rhetorical question: "Do you want a moment to walk with him again?" /something to that effect, and she said yes because who wouldn't? Wishful thinking. Yuna bids goodbye to her new friends and decides to go home, leaving the Gullwings (without seriously considering she may actually seeing Tidus again). We know from Last Mission, that all she does is babysit Vidina and feel wistful watching her best friends be a happy, little family. In the three months since the game ended. And in the novel, her argument with Tidus heavily implied she had been planning to restore the idle clergy, or at least answer the old folk's concern.

Reuniting with Tidus had more repercussions than we thought, because that changes Yuna's priorities entirely.

I think we've severely underestimated the internal conflicts Yuna struggles with. Yuna's the type of character whose wants and needs are always in conflict, ever since FFX. Not downplaying the importance of Tidus/Yuna or anything, but I'm thinking about Yuna as an individual and how her world keeps constantly changing, for better or for worse. Yuna post-FFX-2 has such fascinating, potential issues that are never seen in plain sight, but they're always there, just bubbling beneath the surface of her smile.
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by Danko Kaji on September 10, 2015, 04:44:40 pm »
To demonstrate, I've made up my own little timeline. Apologies if you can't read my handwriting, but you see what I'm getting at, right? :P

and no, the ff7 connection doesnt exist, it's all in the mind

OMG, your timeline is asjfgjhgfg luv ur little Sin, but anyway. Ahem. Hrm. You honestly think there's room for a split timeline from the Good/Perfect Ending? Because the Good/Perfect timeline goes like this:

FFX-2 --> Good End --> FFX-2.5 --> Last Mission (three months after Chap 33 of novel) --> THEN Perfect End (six months after novel events, apparently) --> THEN finally Will.

Where would the split happen? Humor me cuz I am legitimately curious
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by UltimaGriever on September 10, 2015, 04:33:26 pm »
The only thing I care to wonder is if this novella would be better accepted if those faux translations didn't leak. Or that the events of a bloody war would be roses and flowers and pyreflies were fireworks.

The hypocrisy is glaring. Never mind the enlightenment to Spira's history this work provides us, it's all about real-world issues not being even remotely possible in a work of fiction for the sake of being fiction and it's even worse if that fiction's couple starts to disagree on how to act because it's the first time they can actually be honest with each other. Wow.

-Will- is canon, it has been provided by an official and legitimate source (FFX/X-2 HD Remaster Blu-Ray) and it references events from the novella, which was also provided by an official and legitimate source (Nojima), which makes it canon, too. I hated with all of my guts that FFVII is getting a remake because it's lame, but it's going to happen anyway and there's nothing that can be done about it. So yes, the audio tale is canon, the novella is canon, get over it. SE might not release FFX-3, but, if they do, they will most likely base themselves off the audio and the novella.

Star Wars EU books were written by licensed authors, they were basically licensed fanfiction, so it's understandable that Disney regarded them as non-canon because they didn't come from the original creator and they conflict on various points. But this novella was written by Nojima himself, the man who wrote the whole FFX history and created the characters, it's in his right to write whatever he wants and SE is in their right to consider it canon.
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by CrystalOfLies on September 10, 2015, 04:33:19 pm »
To demonstrate, I've made up my own little timeline. Apologies if you can't read my handwriting, but you see what I'm getting at, right? :P



and no, the ff7 connection doesnt exist, it's all in the mind
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by Danko Kaji on September 10, 2015, 03:25:46 pm »
It wouldn't be entirely taboo to do something like this with such a versatile universe like Spira, right? A lot of animes like Evangelion and Clannad do this as well. You have the 'Master Canon' that is FFX and FFX-2, then after their events the timeline splits into two different universes. In one universe, Tidus and Yuna aren't entirely happy and 'accepted' upon returning to Besaid, hence the events of Price of Eternity and Will. On the other hand, he and his friends lead a much more enjoyable future which leads into a separate universe.

I know, Nojima's the Word of God and we should all treat his work like holy scriptures, but at least if I was intent on milking the universe of Spira VII Compilation-style without p*ssing off all of the fans, I would consider something like this. :P

If the events of Will and Price of Eternity are the result of the Good Ending, ultimately leading to the Perfect Ending, and that's what we consider the unhappy timeline for Tidus/Yuna, then what does that make the Sad/Normal/Bad Ending? Where Tidus never comes back? Does that mean the timeline where Yuna and friends are happier and in a much less messed up world is the Sad Ending? We know that with the Bad Ending, sure, everyone in the Farplane is alive, but everybody else on the surface are decimated, ruining the chance for FFVII to happen in canon. And then there's the Normal Ending, which to me is the only real ending, because that one never changes. No matter how you look at it, Tidus and Yuna were never meant to be. Which is really cruel, because apparently it wasn't enough hammering that bleak point home in FFX. They just gotta beat the dead horse until it's unrecognizable.  ::)
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by Danko Kaji on September 10, 2015, 03:16:14 pm »
That does bring to question the validity of the alternate endings for FFX-2. It's one thing to write them for the sake of fans who have their own preferences. That's kind of them, if not annoying, because that only led to fans arguing amongst themselves over what's canon like "a bloody bunch of headless chickens." :p

Joking aside, now I wonder if Nojima plans to piggy back on those alternate endings to create multiple universes. He already did it with FFXIII-2, inevitable considering it's time travel, but I don't see the point in giving players their choice of an ending when SE decided on a "True Ending" anyway and went off from that with FFXIII-3.

We've already been exploring the alternate endings through fanfiction, and there are a lot of them worth their mettle and creativity. What else can Nojima bring to the table that we haven't already imagined?
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by CrystalOfLies on September 10, 2015, 01:32:54 pm »
Fiction does this all of the time. Look at Zelda, Star Wars, or countless other works of fiction that constantly create alternate timelines or in Star Wars case, dismiss countless works as non-canon.

This is exactly what I was thinking about in regards to this new canon. We all know it's highly controversial. Heck, Square knows as well. Considering how much they twisted and turned XIII's lore, it won't surprise me if they eventually do come out and regard this as alternate universe. Nojima already considered it an 'expansion to the world,' as vague as that might be.

For example, they came out with the official timeline for the Zelda games, yeah? It starts with what I call the 'Master Canon,' that is Skyward Sword to Minish Cap to Four Swords to Ocarina of Time. However, when it gets to Ocarina of Time, that's when the timeline is split up into three different universes.

It wouldn't be entirely taboo to do something like this with such a versatile universe like Spira, right? A lot of animes like Evangelion and Clannad do this as well. You have the 'Master Canon' that is FFX and FFX-2, then after their events the timeline splits into two different universes. In one universe, Tidus and Yuna aren't entirely happy and 'accepted' upon returning to Besaid, hence the events of Price of Eternity and Will. On the other hand, he and his friends lead a much more enjoyable future which leads into a separate universe.

I know, Nojima's the Word of God and we should all treat his work like holy scriptures, but at least if I was intent on milking the universe of Spira VII Compilation-style without p*ssing off all of the fans, I would consider something like this. :P
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by mamboitaliano on September 10, 2015, 01:15:21 pm »
I can see where the rest of the story could be heading, the bottom line is that having a main character's head randomly get blown off and land in his girlfriend's lap is comically cheesy. I was cracking up! How am I supposed to take that seriously? If I were you, I wouldn't be too upset about it all because I doubt Square Enix will consider this novel canon and if they do, I'm sure it will eventually be ret-conned, considered as an alternate time-line, or thrown out completely as non-canon. For the record, I didn't think the audio drama was that bad and I think it's something that they COULD work with.

Fiction does this all of the time. Look at Zelda, Star Wars, super hero franchises, or countless other works of fiction that constantly create alternate timelines, ret-con things, and in Star Wars case, dismiss countless works as non-canon.
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by ChercheurObscur on September 10, 2015, 09:01:54 am »
It's really saddening, but I feel like I'm one of the very few who honestly likes the novel despite its glaring, resentful... flaws. XD I mean, there are plenty of things to hate and criticize, but... I feel like... Sigh. People say whatever they want, but by the end of the day: no one really cares about -Will- or The Price of Eternity and prefers it never existed. I feel alone in my optimism. Funny enough, the more I learn about it, discuss it, etc, the more I'm open-minded towards its canon, which is the exact opposite of everyone else who lost faith in it as more and more time passed. I guess I just feel alone in my optimism.

What's really saddening is that a lot of people see no further than the end of their nose. A noteworthy passage is Tidus' death. People keep in mind his decapitated head, but few wonder from where comes the ball which killed him.

Nojima has dispersed hints to explain the truth, and I've already explained a part of this truth. Of course, I may be wrong but there are too many coincidences.
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