1. Addressing rumors and complaints that reviewers had: Is Yuna cold to Tidus? Does she seem less in love with him than she was in X and X-2? Are the rest of his friends cold or unwelcoming to him?
2. More rumor clearing up: Is Tidus unusually sexual? Follow up question: Did they or did they not have sex on the boat? And is that why the boat crashed??? xD
3. How does Tidus die and how is he revived? I know we've cleared up how he died, now, but some more detail would be nice!
4. More explanation of Yuna losing her memories and how she got them back would be nice, too!
5. Wtf is going on with this Sex Fayth method stuff?! Is it real?? If it's not used by Yuna and Tidus in the book, why is it even mentioned at all? Did Ifarnal and Kushu even know each other before they had sex?? Because FFX made a big deal of 'you have to have a strong bond to create the Final Aeon'. Is sex itself, regardless of whether or not you actually KNOW the person, considered bond enough, haha? That's taking the 'bonding' part quite literally, isn't it? You don't have to actually have an emotional connection, just need to have... connected bodies. xD I'm just curious because this little tidbit about old summoning methods is interesting, but seems out of place in the generally rather PG Final Fantasy world.
6. What is the significance of the island, and the dead summoner(s?) who inhabit it? What relevance do they have to FFX/Tidus and Yuna/the plot of the novel/games? Basically, why is Nojima telling us their story, is what I want to know... o.o Surely there must be some kind of 'lesson' or significance to be had from their story, right?
7. Also, if you want to fill us in on what their story even IS, that'd be cool, too. xD
8. Ifarnal "had children as an unsent". Does it say (or hint at) who these children are? Was it/they conceived when Kushu and Ifarnal made the aeon, or is it Ifarnal's and someone else's? I'm curious as to whether the child was born 100% unsent or just half... or... is it some kind of special state of being because the Sex Fayth method... just wondering what it means to be a child of an unsent. o.o Also whatever happened to the child?!
9. "If either figure out, the process would be "undone"', in reference to Tidus' revival. So, at the end of the novel... what exactly do they and do they not remember? Do they remember the things on the island that happened before and AFTER the revival, just not the revival? Or do they not remember anything at all from the island? And does 'coming undone' mean Tidus would die again, or... what?
10. What is the overall feeling at the end of the novel? Are they happy, sad, hopeless, hopeful? I know you said the very end is the Perfect Ending, but what about before that? I'm just trying to get a feel for what the message/point of this novel is...
11. What connections does this have to the Audio Drama? It introduces beckoning, yes? Do you think any of the events in the novel foreshadow or explain the events of the Audio drama?
12. Oh, yeah! What ever happened to the Briah person?! Do they say? Are they on the island, too?
Also, thank you sooooooo much for doing this! Seriously! Even if it turns out I don't like the details, it will give me so much comfort to finally have them. As a huge fan of the game, it's been so terrible being in the dark about all this stuff.
And for the record if anyone ever hears of or wants to embark on a project for the effort of a full translation into English, I'd do my best to offer donations and such!! I've seen a few projects like that for other novels/Ultimanias etc. on forums, so apparently, that's a thing that people do, right? :P
Ah... so Al Bhed is the corrupted more modern term for 'Alb's Bedohls'? And their power was the cause of the Machina War? How interesting. If you don't mind, I can fix up some of these translations to make them easier to read and post them here.
Ooooh, looking forward to more info! The stuff we have so far is very enlightening! :D
So, what is it that Tidus needs to save Yuna from??? Or will that be explained later? o:
Also, just to confirm: Tidus and Yuna still DON'T have any memory of his revival, right? So... what do they think happened on the island? Or do they remember everything else that happened, just not his death and his revival? If Tidus changed, then, after his second revival... wouldn't Yuna have noticed? O.o
Well... I can say that I guess I'm glad there was no X-3 because with all of this information, combined with the audio drama... I'm fairly certain that Yuna or Tidus would recover her memories and he'd thus be killed off... again. For a third time. xD
By the way Cher, I can help translate the whole novel into English. You can provide me with your English translation and I'll fix it up to make it easier to read. I've written fanfiction in the past and still do, so I know what I'm doing. :P
I could post it in a separate thread and give you some massive credit: if it weren't for you we might never have found out about all of this.
Maybe you mean 'apart from Paine'. 'Except for Paine' means the same thing.
So Tidus is an incarnate spirit, what exactly does that mean?
And do we have an accurate definition of what an aeon core is?
haha so I just realized something. Since Tidus is a "beckoned" soul who will disapear when he discovers his condition and in the audio drama, Sin is also "beckoned"... couldn't the people of Spira just gather around and scream "Sin! You're not real! Go back to the Farplane!" If Sin is self-aware and understands them, problem solved?? ??? Also, is there any way that this book could be uploaded in French?
Also, is there any way that this book could be uploaded in French?
bad spirits get sent to Hell (apparently Hell is a thing in Spira)
bad spirits get sent to Hell (apparently Hell is a thing in Spira)
uuh... What do you mean here ? Hell is hell, Satan, etc... (but your sentence may be something special in english I don't know)
Also, keep in mind the last sentences of this chapter... In the future, you may merge them with something else... :P
Let's not create a new villain, let's just bring back Sin.
All we need from this book is an update from Kimahri "The Ronso no longer respect Kimahri for being a Guardian and kicked him out of their tribe because of his broken horn" and there's plenty of time to drag Wakka's racism out of the grave with all of this new Albhed lore! Seriously though, Yuna's regression is absolutely disgusting, Lulu's makes her look like she has a mental disorder, Rikku's is odd, and even Wakka's is kind of sad. He was maturing at the end of X-2, calming down, finally comfortable in his own shoes.. He seems to be none of that here.
I think Pyreflies hit the nail on the head when mentioning the sense of FAMILY that's being ignored in this novel. Every time you turn X on, a video of everyone solemnly sitting by a fire is shown. Those characters, despite their own personal troubles, were coming together and saving the world from a 1000 year CURSE. They were oppressed, had no hope for their futures, and the world as they thought they knew it was dissolving right before their eyes. Yet here they are sitting by a fire, pushing through fear and overcoming obstacles both personal and global TOGETHER. X-2 showed all of them maturing, regaining hope, growing confident in their futures. As corny as that game got sometimes, the character development was absolutely beautiful...And there's Tidus, progressing in X from foreigner to friend, a voice of optimism in a world with little hope (there's an NPC early in X, I can't remember where, who wondered whether the next Calm would even last a year!)
I just feel like Nojima has completely forgotten all of this. He wants to introduce a new enemy? Fine. Does Sin have something to do with this new enemy? Also fine. Just pleaaasssee don't mess with the character development! He's forgotten the growth of his characters and reduced them to mere caricatures of their old personalities. Lame.
That's true. 'Family' was one of the main themes of X. Seven people, all different in personality, life goals, opinions and futures; going against the entire world and the corrupt system it's being held under just to bring peace to a land which might not even last very long. Six of those people are all loosely related to their past lives and try their best to support and comfort their shaken summoner, knowing how much of a demented hellhole Spira really was; a literal spiral of death.
The seventh person, Tidus, has no connections to any of these people save for Auron. He came from a much more comforting world and, thanks to the contrast, immediately noticed and questioned Spira's traditions and cultures. He came from somewhere where he could be genuinely happy, and Yuna and the others seeing this gave them the strength to go on. If it weren't for his optimism, Yuna might have given up hope too early. If it weren't for his curiosity, Yuna might have never contemplated the behind-the-scenes of Yevon's church. In fact, if he wasn't even there, Sin might very well have killed them all at either Operation Mi'ihen or Zanarkand Dome. So despite only knowing these people recently, he was just as vital to the journey and deserved a place in their circle. Their family, if you will.
Here comes the novella. People are already forgetting what he's done for them and his friends are not welcoming to him. The very position that brought him close to the gang (foreign and out-of-touch) is now isolating him and making him doubt himself. Alas, poor Tidus! I knew him, Nojima.
Once again: I don't hate the novella as much as I used to. I've gone from wanting to burn the book in molten magma to just... pitching it aside and taking it in jest. Just treating it like a fanfiction that's moderately more interesting than average, you know?
I just feel that Nojima went overboard. I mean, in the X-2 ending, her and Tidus go running down the beach hand in hand, and she says she's gonna tell him her story, and she's so enthusiastic to be with him...... and then, what happens? The old Yevon ladies swoop in and carry her away on their backs? She never tells him her story like she says: everyone else tells him. It just seems weird to go from Tidus and Yuna running to the beach together to see all of their friends, and... then, suddenly, Yuna doesn't speak to any of her friends for the entire day.
Yeah, personally, I'm trying to wait to see what else develops before judging Yuna's change of character. I'm definitely wary. Yes, it makes sense for Yuna to care about the elders a lot. For one, they're villagers, and I think she cares about the entire village of Besaid as if they were family, really. So it would be hard for her to just be like "OKAY THAT'S ENOUGH, OLD PEOPLE, SHUT UP NOW", haha. That's just not how she is. xD And two, she probably feels guilty about the fact that she caused so many of them emotional turmoil by overthrowing Yevon, basically. It was very hard for HER to accept Yevon's lies and betrayal, so she understands that they may need a little extra help.
But this novel takes place right after a game where Yuna embraces her own self and begins to think for herself and care about her own happiness, instead of just pleasing others. That's like, the entire point of X-2. So for Nojima to take it to the extreme that she is SO devoutly worried about these villagers that she is willing to more or less completely ignore Tidus and ignore her own wants... it looks weird.
I just feel that Nojima went overboard. I mean, in the X-2 ending, her and Tidus go running down the beach hand in hand, and she says she's gonna tell him her story, and she's so enthusiastic to be with him...... and then, what happens? The old Yevon ladies swoop in and carry her away on their backs? She never tells him her story like she says: everyone else tells him. It just seems weird to go from Tidus and Yuna running to the beach together to see all of their friends, and... then, suddenly, Yuna doesn't speak to any of her friends for the entire day. And considering the villagers in X-2 clearly recognized Yuna, but never once acted this insanely possessive towards her during her return to Besaid, nor did Yuna ever act this insanely coddling to them in that entire game... this whole thing just seems quite bizarre and over the top. It's very out of line with X-2. It's like it almost completely disregards the events of X-2. If it had went on for a few hours? Sure. But... hasn't it been like an entire day? Tidus sleeps like 3 whole times before he even gets to speak a word to the girl who just fought tooth and nail to get him back, haha
But since apparently she's soon going to stop pandering to the Yevoners and run away in the night soon, I guess it's alright... I just still think it's weird, especially combined with rumors of behavior we hear about later in the book, BUUUUUT I'm not going to judge it harshly until I see what exactly she does in the rest of the book! He could have probably just toned the first two chapters down a notch, is all. Maybe it didn't need to go on soooo long, making it look like Tidus is really lonely and practically shunned by the rest of the characters. Because that's really how it sounds and it's just a strange way to start the novel... ???
Lulu's and Rikku's oddities are annoying, but since the book isn't centered around them, I can forgive it if they redeem Yuna. xD
I wonder why you think like that. Tidus is back, ok, but the villagers came in the cove because of Yuna's return, not for Tidus, they didn't know about it. Furthermore, you seem to forget that Tidus is almost an unknown for everyone. He spent only one day on Besaid in FFX ! And at the end, he disappears before the great meeting in Luca stadium. He is a complete unknown in Spira, except for some people. You can't blame people to ignore him.
Yuna or someone else could have told people about him, ok, but it's not as if they were rejecting him.
Yuna could have spent some time with Tidus before meeting the elders, ok, but is it tragedy ? No, everything was planned by Nojima : I said that they will argue about her future (so her behavior is involded in their conversation) in a previous post, but it appears that you didn't read it... This moment is very instructive.
So please, stop being scandalmonder sometimes. If you don't like the case of Yuna and Tidus (I am not talking about the others), ok, it's your choice, but please don't say the novel itself is bad about this point, you can't blame Nojima about it. :-\ The most funny here is that, starting from Chapter 5, they will spend ther time "together" until the end of the novel.
-claps- Pyreflies, you never cease to amaze me with your speeches.
Let's look at this from Tidus' point of view some more. In X, he and his friends took down a centuries-old false religion that was masking the truth to defeating Sin. Throughout half of the game, the maesters have declared them traitors, they sent Dark Aeon assassins after them, pretty much told Yuna that her father's sacrifice was useless and one particularly crazy maester tried to kill, deceive and manipulate them multiple times. They are hypocrites (use machina), self-aware (Mika stops Seymour's sending because he is unsent too) and cowards (Mika runs away to the Farplane, leaving Yevon in shambles).
Come X-2, with the rise of New Yevon (and yes, Tidus knows this because Rikku told him, not Yuna. Yeah Yuna, how consistent is your narration in that game since you are telling Tidus everything that's happened!?). While not as evil as the original Yevon, their scheme was to find spheres pertaining to Spira's history and hide them deep underground, therefore pretty much wiping out the knowledge of Spira's past. They were under the belief that memories of the past were weaknesses and not part of someone's... well, soul. And with the defeat of Trema, that matter is resolved.
Here comes the return of Tidus, who sacrificed his life to both defy Yevon and put an end to Spira's curse once and for all. Now he sees that the Yevon lifestyle is slowly seeping back into Spira, and nobody is attempting to question or even joke around with the fact that it was one of the causes of Spira's near-downfall. Somehow he has been launched back to square one, where Yuna cares more about her and others' beliefs in Yevon than the man who was just washed up on shore, likely very lost and confused, not to mention very insecure. And even in X, she excused herself to introduce herself to him. No such thing here. Wow. Yuna has absolutely no respect or empathy for him, despite mourning and hoping he'll come back for two years. It reminds me of those horrible boy/girlfriends we've all had who will abuse or ignore you, but then cry and wail and threaten to kill themselves if you even bring up the idea of breaking up with them.
But yeah, Yevon's coming back, everyone knows it. And Tidus, once again, tries to stand up to the BS and call them out on it but once again, they laugh him off and sneer at him. Not even three years in and Spira is already repeating history! Maybe the fayth sent him back because they sensed that Spira was going to dig itself a booby-trapped volcanic hole again, lmao. No wonder he fled to Bevelle at the time of Will. He just had Besaid, his new home, turned into a nursing home for the poor, oppressed, totally innocent h*rdcore Yevon-supporters. Who would most likely kill him.
Heck, at the end of Chapter 2 we see Tidus in a situation where he is lonely, hungry, confused and sitting on a pontoon close to tears. Like a local stray dog that's being avoided by the townsfolk because it might have fleas. Meanwhile everyone else is having a jolly good time at the party. You know, the one where Tidus was forced to help set up and when he realised that everyone he knew and loved had shredded every last ounce of empathy for him? Nobody even notices that he's gone. They're all concerned with Yuna instead.
About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...
About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...
...What?
Are you saying that since it's Tidus' POV here, he's distorting how people are acting through bias; or that his mere presence is altering people's personalities to back when they knew him on the pilgrimage?
Sorry, but I've had some crazy ideas and headcanons regarding Tidus before, and even this is making me scratch my head a bit.
Well, you know, Square Enix didn't publish the novel in France, it is Lumen Editions (google it if you want). I wrote a good review about this novel and Square Enix read it.
About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...
I just think it's interesting, because, and someone correct me if I'm wrong - this is the first book that Square Enix has ever released that's been translated in a language besides Japanese. And of all the books they could have translated - like the Ultimania guides, they choose something most people did not like or want. XD
As far as your theory, dear Lord, how depressing that would be, Tidus gets very little dignity here. If Nojima really wrote a book about Tidus being "tainted", and negatively hallucinating the actions of everyone - what in the crap!? What a completely convoluted, annoying and unnecessary way to tell a story. That is actually and very unfortunately becoming the modus operandi of Square Enix. The more utterly ridiculous and complicated the story, the better - they really need to go back to their old form.
And well, the audio drama was mostly in the perspective of Chuami, who could plainly see Yuna acting unusual for herself. So I wouldn't say it adds up that everyone is being distorted by Tiida. The book doesn't appear to be in first-person either, which is the only way I could see the idea of distortions as a plausibility. I remember someone else saying there are a lot of perspective changes and that much of the novel is written in a Haiku format - confusing to be sure. But these opening chapters are definitely from an outside perspective looking in, so we should be experiencing the characters the way everyone else is - right?
I'm actually curious, is there at any point where we see either Tidus or Yuna's inward thoughts, in the way they delivered them in the games?
You are wrong wrong wrong.... First, Square Enix has never released a book outside Japan, not in France at least, don't try to say something which could mislead people. Then, Lumen has already released FFVII On the way to a smile, and FFXIII episode zero promise in France. I know that an other publisher has released some FF books in Germany too.
I don't know about the XIII novels, but the VII novels got an official translation from Square, didn't they? I just know I got a copy of the novels in English when I bought the Advent Children movies. Pssh. Of course their beloved VII gets translated, but you guys have to do all the hard work of translating a X novel yourselves. Dang spoiled FFVII fans. They get it all! xD
It's a shame that they won't release the Ultimania's in English! I'd take those over a novel any day! So many interesting factoids.
Is this the chapter where Tidus gets his head blown off? :P
...Oh my, Tidus.
Am I noticing parallels being drawn between these two and Valm and Kushu? :P
Thanks again Chercheur! How many more chapters are there to go?
EDIT: May I translate the novel to Portuguese? I own a FF Facebook page for my fellow Brazilian fans and, considering I'm responsible for lore and theory content, I feel like bringing this sort of content to them is constructive to the fanbase. I'll give due credit, of course. :)
By the way, how come Valm had children? Did he have them with Kush? Or did he meet her after becoming a father? Because it makes no sense for an unsent to have children: they are just drifting souls who want to finish their business before going to the Farplane.
And the story seems to tell us that Ifarnal was a dick, who picked this name because it's the 'god of beauty' and that he always tried to look cool and seduce people around. He was even unable to keep a summoning because he couldn't bond with his fayth.
No, he had children with a beautiful woman who... well it's difficult to explain, she liked those names Bria (Valm) had told her (Anli's eye for example). (But at that time, Yevon had already disowned (renounced ?) those names) There is a dedicated chapter about his past which is very interesting. But you'll have to wait a bit. Anyway, they had a child for sure.But.. he was an unsent by then :o it makes little to no sense
Yeah... well you know, he was young :) He regrets a bit what happened at that time.He reminded me of Bickson, that Luca Goers guy who belittled everyone because he was oh-so-awesome just for being in the Luca Goers.
No, he had children with a beautiful woman who... well it's difficult to explain, she liked those names Bria (Valm) had told her (Anli's eye for example). (But at that time, Yevon had already disowned (renounced ?) those names) There is a dedicated chapter about his past which is very interesting. But you'll have to wait a bit. Anyway, they had a child for sure.But.. he was an unsent by then :o it makes little to no sense
Yeah... well you know, he was young :) He regrets a bit what happened at that time.He reminded me of Bickson, that Luca Goers guy who belittled everyone because he was oh-so-awesome just for being in the Luca Goers.
When you're at the sea isolated, extremely tired/fatigued and dehydrated even, you can experience hallucinations so I'm pretty sure Tidus was just hallucinating
;D
But.....and the chapter n. 17? I can't wait!
Yaaay! :D Welcome back! Hope your schooling went well!It went well ! Well, sometimes, it was difficult but I managed to stick it out. :)
All right! I can't wait until we get to the point with the blitzball bomb!
Actually, it seems like someone already translated the whole of the novel and put a plot summary on FFWiki: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2.5_~Eien_no_Daish%C5%8D~
To be honest, I'm not really interested in this novella any more; I think it's too convoluted. And I've all but given up hope that SE are going to follow up on this with a sequel.
Hello! Fanfic writer Danko Kaji here! It's nice to meet you all. :D
I just wanted to say I truly appreciate all these threads and discussions, but most of all your thorough translation of the novel. I would love to continue reading The Price of Eternity until the very end, regardless of its half-hearted and convoluting narrative, because I want to respect its canonical quality. Speaking of which, I wanted to ask if it's alright for me to conduct a Restoration Project (or complete rewrite) of the novel, giving you full credit as the main inspiring source of the whole translation. I don't know if it's just me or it's the writer in me who sees a challenge, but I see so much untapped potential in this that I want to jump in and explore/flesh it out completely.
Again, I really appreciate what you're doing here. I apologize for saying nothing before.
And now there's apparently some sort of alternate reality-Spira, the characters are behaving oddly, among other things. 'Oh, but don't worry, they'll explain it all in X-3.' But... it's been a year and a half and no official news has come out about the matter in that time, apart from interviews. Just because there were interviews with a creative team who has little to no say in the company's business means that X-3 is confirmed. Just because the remaster came out on the PS4 doesn't mean X-3 is confirmed.
That would be nice! Actually, I was thinking of making a one-shot fanfiction of Tidus' narrative from Will, segregating into a potential scenario and set-up for X-3. It'll only be borrowing a few elements from X-2.5 though because frankly, I can't keep up and weave around all these weird plot points.
I think now that I'm proofreading the excerpts from the novella, I can see why those other translators chose not to go further: It's just so disheartening and a jarring transition from the feel-good nature of X-2's ending. I feel like Nojima somehow is doing too much for the source material, yet not staying true to it at the same time.
It's sad because FFX and X-2 were a big part of the stage when I was growing up. I loved the characters, their interactions and the unique world in which it was set, and it inspired me to create my own fantasy worlds. But reading this after having the uplifting ending of X-2 imprinted in my mind after all these years just feels strange and wrong. It feels like I've been had. Cheated out, even. And the audio drama didn't help.
And now there's apparently some sort of alternate reality-Spira, the characters are behaving oddly, among other things. 'Oh, but don't worry, they'll explain it all in X-3.' But... it's been a year and a half and no official news has come out about the matter in that time, apart from interviews. Just because there were interviews with a creative team who has little to no say in the company's business means that X-3 is confirmed. Just because the remaster came out on the PS4 doesn't mean X-3 is confirmed.
I just think Square realised their mistakes and just left the bonus material 'up to interpretation,' because sequel baiting a 12-year-old game pretty much just left FFX in an unresolved, head-scratching limbo.
Well, since Danko seems to be busy, I hope you can carry on with the translation COL !
Why do I assume Ifahnal murdered Tidus ? Well... if you remember something related to gunpowder, you may have you answer. I'm sorry, I don't want to say more for the moment because I plan to post an article about this on a website (a french one), and I don't want to spread the information yet.
WAIT. Wait-wait-wait, Danko. I recognise you from FF.Net. You're the person who writes all that BaralaixYuna stuff, aren't you? :P
WAIT. Wait-wait-wait, Danko. I recognise you from FF.Net. You're the person who writes all that BaralaixYuna stuff, aren't you? :P
CAUGHT GUILTY. Yes, I am. Oh, gosh, I'm so embarrassed, but flattered that you recognized me... *blush*
Haha, I'm actually PersonaOfBetrayal on that website. Taking a little break from writing, though. I was working non-stop on my FFX AU and I've worn myself out.
I've had multiple ideas for an FFX-3 scenario flash through my mind. I can never seem to focus on just one, and depending on my mood or what I'm thinking about I may just start thinking up an entirely new setting. I could just tell you all the ideas I've had ever since this novella bombshell dropped. :P
I can proofread it before posting (taking over for CystalofLies) if you'd like! :)
I've been kind of re-writing the dialogue to sound, imo, more like tidus/yuna, and fixing some stuff on my tumblr (HI DANKO THIS IS SHUYIIN, l o l), so I don't mind!
I can either do that, to make it sound more like "official FFX", or just keep it pretty raw, that way people can sort of... come to whatever conclusion they want. I don't care :P
edited to add link in case you're curious~: http://shuyiin.tumblr.com/post/120421585381/final-fantasy-x-2-5-eternal-cost . (aw, crap, I forgot I changed my url so none of the links work, surely you jest. you just have to change the moungagazet part to shuyiin. I'll fix it later xD)
Just registered to say big thank you for the translations. I find it depressing that Yuna and Tidus can't live together without worries.
Soo in what kind of state is Tidus now? Is he an unsent? Because if he realizes he got beckoned, then he will disappear, right? Between couples there is always drama. Someday she would get mad at him and tell him about that.. and bum he will be gone. Danng, screw you nojima. All we fans just longed for a happy end.
The fact that Yuna analyzes Tidus all the time and gets annoyed doesn't bother me. That's what women do after all.
Well, Tidus is an incarnate spirit. He's like an unsent, but he still exists in Spira because of someone else will. On the contrary, unsents still exist in Spira because of their own will. There's also a huge difference in what we could call "physical integrity". An Unsent will only go into the Farplane if he's willing to do so (or if a summoner performs a sending against its will). An incarnate spirit is very fragile, if the person learns about his condition, he will disappear.
On a second note, who was the core for Ifarnal to summon the island, and why did he do it? O.o Is it mentioned in the novel?
Besides, why did he murder Tidus? Does it have to be with testing Yuna's ability to beckon him? That the multiple beckonings could weaken the Farplane? I'm so confused. :(
Be careful, I don't know if Ifahnal has really murdered Tidus. I just have some clues. But I can't tell you yet.
EDIT: I think some of the Al Bhed language in the translation is off. "Good evening" is actually "Kuut ajahehk". Fyi ;)
I think I'm the only one here who actually liked the novella. It's not like I expected kittens and rainbows come out of it, you know.
"He had faith in Yuna's smile."
...And then she ditched him to go face Sin with some strangers. THE END. :P
Maybe this book takes place in some kind of 'alternate reality'. Like you know how there's two Besaid's in the book? Maybe there's actually more. three, at least.
The canon one, where things actually took place in the game... Johit's summoned one... and then wherever this book took place.
that's the only way I can make sense of this, haha.
Whelp. That ending. ???
I think what frustrated me the most was the utter lack of setting detail? Like Tidus jumping from one place to the next, the whole 'the elder ladies wanted to hide the accidental incident' for no apparent good reason? What's the point of ambiguously painting Bria as a villain? So he had the chance to relive his life anew, fall in love again, have a family, which defies the logic of him as an incarnate (dead) spirit? So does imagination serve as the fuel to pyrefly magic? Confusion everywhere.
I feel like when Bria called his relationship with Kush 'a puppy love, a thing of the past,' it seriously foreshadowed Tidus and Yuna's love.
I just think Nojima really hates the Tuna romance, because it does not fit with his original vision.
That's what I'm getting from this mess of a novel.
I thought there would be more to the story than this. I didn't get so many things. :( Like why Ifahnal summoned the island. Was it because of Kush, and how it reminded him of her? I mean, it was a war site, so many people fought and died there, why would he want to revive such a moment? And I have to re-read it to deduce why he killed Tidus.. :( Oh god. I feel so blind.
I have just listened to the 'Bonus Audio' an hour ago ...which turned my world upside down
Oh dear God..... what have I gotten myself into...
Now that I think of it, the novella justifies Yuna's attitude in the audio drama (her going back to her old ways etc). Remember what Auron said at the bottom of Macalania Lake? That it was not Yevon, the temples or the teachings that gave summoners power, but the fayth. Yuna had recently seen proof that the art of summoning was not obsolete, that there were ways other than what Yevon's teachings taught her to believe in.
Given that she found out that she still is a summoner, that she never ceased to be one just because Yevon's fayth vanished, and that she now had the knowledge of creating Aeon Cores (that most certainly does not involve sex (at least where intercourse in itself is concerned), lest poor Bedohl males Johit turned into Cores), she could be trying to reach a state of mind in that she could be able to do just that, under the guise of "praying to the fayth". Doing that, not only does she sharpen her somewhat dampened summoning skills that she had not practiced for 2 years, but keeps encouraging the Besaid elders' faith.
Just my two cents on the matter. :)
I have just listened to the 'Bonus Audio' an hour ago ...which turned my world upside down
Oh dear God..... what have I gotten myself into...
Welcome to a whole new world of insanity.
You'll never go back to the fanbase again. :P
Now that I think of it, the novella justifies Yuna's attitude in the audio drama (her going back to her old ways etc). Remember what Auron said at the bottom of Macalania Lake? That it was not Yevon, the temples or the teachings that gave summoners power, but the fayth. Yuna had recently seen proof that the art of summoning was not obsolete, that there were ways other than what Yevon's teachings taught her to believe in.
Given that she found out that she still is a summoner, that she never ceased to be one just because Yevon's fayth vanished, and that she now had the knowledge of creating Aeon Cores (that most certainly does not involve sex (at least where intercourse in itself is concerned), lest poor Bedohl males Johit turned into Cores), she could be trying to reach a state of mind in that she could be able to do just that, under the guise of "praying to the fayth". Doing that, not only does she sharpen her somewhat dampened summoning skills that she had not practiced for 2 years, but keeps encouraging the Besaid elders' faith.
Just my two cents on the matter. :)
There are many possibilities for FFX-3, such as discovering the true nature of Sin, who the main antagonist may be (leader of the Yevoner hunters? Or whoever freakin beckoned Sin?), exploring the whole world to uncover more mysteries that the Dark Age of Yevon stifled, and Yuna coming to terms with her feelings once and for all. I do like kk's idea (from tumblr, hehe) that the best outcome for Tidus would be to turn him into a Fayth as the mighty LEVIATHAN, let's hear it folks! :D (Although I personally prefer if Tidus could finally rest in peace and chill in the Farplane. It's not good for the Tuna romance if Yuna's stuck romancing a Fayth. :P)
Of course! There was never a 'true' water-themed aeon that we ever hear of in the Spiran lore. It turns out that Tidus would be the chosen vessel for Leviathan: The 300-mile-long demon that would destroy and recreate the world anew! :P
Of course! There was never a 'true' water-themed aeon that we ever hear of in the Spiran lore. It turns out that Tidus would be the chosen vessel for Leviathan: The 300-mile-long demon that would destroy and recreate the world anew! :P
And if it's possible to turn incarnate spirits into Fayth, then maybe Seymour can become Odin! :D
Sorry, UltimaGriever, I piggy-backed from your brilliant idea. <3
Or Auron as a male Asura?please don't hate me
Edit: EVEN BETTER, Auron shall be the Pheonix!!! :o
Yo, I haven't been here since Tidus got his head blown off. Great job Chercher for finishing the translation! I have to ask though. Do you guys think it's a good idea to be posting Fan-Fiction right on top of the ACTUAL translation like that? I'm not trying to be rude!!! I'm just concerned that the legit book is going to end up buried under this stuff. :)
Yo, I haven't been here since Tidus got his head blown off. Great job Chercher for finishing the translation! I have to ask though. Do you guys think it's a good idea to be posting Fan-Fiction right on top of the ACTUAL translation like that? I'm not trying to be rude!!! I'm just concerned that the legit book is going to end up buried under this stuff. :)
Well, I've had a discussion with the author and as long as "fan-written" is visible in the title of the topic, I don't mind. It's not as if a lot of people ended up there everyday. But your concern is appreciated.
Well, about Yuna and her tendency to keep **** from everyone else, it's perfectly foreseeable. After all, she did keep Jyscal's sphere from her guardians and proceeded to marry Seymour fully knowing about his being a murderer and his schemes, and, had that nun not found the sphere, they would probably find out about her plans right at the last minute.
This reminded me of the talk Tidus and Auron had about Yuna's decision to marry. He had said that she wanted to "negotiate" with him, but he never said what exactly. Later when I replayed the game, it occurred to me that the "negotiations" were actually regarding to Seymour being willing to become Yuna's FA... Just an idea.
Hey Danko! First of all, I didn't mean to offend you in any way, nor did I intend to use the term "fan-fiction" in a derogatory manor. I simply called it fan-fiction because to me, that's essentially what you're doing. You're taking the "official" (or whatever you want to call it) book and expanding upon it with your own interpretations and ideas of how events, narrative, characters, dialogue, etc... should play out. Once again, that's fan-fiction to me.. Or fan-expansion if that's more accurate. :)
It's really saddening, but I feel like I'm one of the very few who honestly likes the novel despite its glaring, resentful... flaws. XD I mean, there are plenty of things to hate and criticize, but... I feel like... Sigh. People say whatever they want, but by the end of the day: no one really cares about -Will- or The Price of Eternity and prefers it never existed. I feel alone in my optimism. Funny enough, the more I learn about it, discuss it, etc, the more I'm open-minded towards its canon, which is the exact opposite of everyone else who lost faith in it as more and more time passed. I guess I just feel alone in my optimism.
Fiction does this all of the time. Look at Zelda, Star Wars, or countless other works of fiction that constantly create alternate timelines or in Star Wars case, dismiss countless works as non-canon.
It wouldn't be entirely taboo to do something like this with such a versatile universe like Spira, right? A lot of animes like Evangelion and Clannad do this as well. You have the 'Master Canon' that is FFX and FFX-2, then after their events the timeline splits into two different universes. In one universe, Tidus and Yuna aren't entirely happy and 'accepted' upon returning to Besaid, hence the events of Price of Eternity and Will. On the other hand, he and his friends lead a much more enjoyable future which leads into a separate universe.
I know, Nojima's the Word of God and we should all treat his work like holy scriptures, but at least if I was intent on milking the universe of Spira VII Compilation-style without p*ssing off all of the fans, I would consider something like this. :P
To demonstrate, I've made up my own little timeline. (http://imgur.com/a/aNdvQ) Apologies if you can't read my handwriting, but you see what I'm getting at, right? :Pand no, the ff7 connection doesnt exist, it's all in the mind
And please don't get me wrong here, I actually like your restoration, but the main problem is, you have done this with your own words. So what we have is a translation from a French translation of a japanese book into English, including your own version which will even differ more from the original. That's the only reason I'm a little divided here.