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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by UltimaGriever on August 25, 2015, 06:59:46 am »
I don't think it's impossible for Bria to have kids... since he's pretty much like an unsent. They are as tangible as the living, only with a more fragile state of existence that can change as soon as they find out about their condition. That is what makes them different from the unsent: the latter are aware of being unsent, while the former don't even know that they're already dead.

I've always had that feeling that Bria/Valm was not so into Kush... I don't know why, maybe because of the moment he died, he felt like she was getting on his nerves, never considered how she felt about him, that it was only about him and his becoming of an Aeon Core without thinking of the consequences. Kush never wanted that for him, for him to live an eternity between life and death.

I thought there would be more to the story than this. I didn't get so many things. :( Like why Ifahnal summoned the island. Was it because of Kush, and how it reminded him of her? I mean, it was a war site, so many people fought and died there, why would he want to revive such a moment? And I have to re-read it to deduce why he killed Tidus.. :( Oh god. I feel so blind.
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by Danko Kaji on August 24, 2015, 06:26:40 pm »
In this case, I have a lot of bull to sort through in the Restoration. Believe in yourself, me. XD

Joking aside, I just want to prepare myself for the FFX-3, if not for the FFX-3 fic I plan to write someday. I was able to stomach a lot of things so far; except for that damn 'dead incarnate spirits can conceive with a living person.' I'm like, are you for realz, guys? Yuna's tsundere, OOC behavior's one thing; I can patch that up somehow, tone it down, something. Tidus being a poor hate child woobie, yeah, that's nothing new. But Bria having a kid? Uhhh, I think Nojima's retconning the crap out of pyrefly physics. We need Maechen up in here!

Oh my god, good stories can only stay good and consistent when you have a team of people, not a single artist or writer doing all the work. Because this is what we get when Nojima's green-lighted to write a novel for a possible, future game. :P Too much unjustified artistic licensing crossing into personal territory.

Er, sorry, I'm ranting at this point. It's just... as a fellow writer, what Nojima did was blasphemous to me.
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by kk on August 24, 2015, 04:09:51 pm »
I agree: the ending was very abrupt. It just jumped around from place to place. It's like he was on a word count limit and had to shove all of the resolution into one chapter.

And it does seem like he's trying to imply that Yuna and Tidus were just puppy love and that, with these new challenges they're facing (his summoned state-- not to mention Yuna's apparent total 180 on her opinion of him), they're doomed.

Which, I mean... okay... if that's what he wants to believe, then fine. There's certainly something to be said about love, especially young love, fading.

But aside from the fact that's such a weird thing to write about in a follow up to a decade old series that is renowned partially because of the iconic relationship between those two characters... he had to not only ignore canon, but alter it to get that point across. Like, why are you so obsessed with bringing your cynical vision to life that you ignore stated facts from your own game? o_o This has been a truly bizarre read, surely you jest.

I'm trying to enjoy it or to take something positive from it, but it's... difficult. xD

Oh, well. Nojima can keep to his fanfics, and I will keep to mine. :p
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by CrystalOfLies on August 24, 2015, 02:30:24 pm »
Whelp. That ending.  ???

I think what frustrated me the most was the utter lack of setting detail? Like Tidus jumping from one place to the next, the whole 'the elder ladies wanted to hide the accidental incident' for no apparent good reason? What's the point of ambiguously painting Bria as a villain? So he had the chance to relive his life anew, fall in love again, have a family, which defies the logic of him as an incarnate (dead) spirit? So does imagination serve as the fuel to pyrefly magic? Confusion everywhere.

I feel like when Bria called his relationship with Kush 'a puppy love, a thing of the past,' it seriously foreshadowed Tidus and Yuna's love.

I just think Nojima really hates the Tuna romance, because it does not fit with his original vision.

That's what I'm getting from this mess of a novel.

Not to mention, as kk said, how Yuna didn't seem to give a **** about reuniting with Tidus when it was possible that he might not have ever seen her again, and only a few days after their reunion. It seemed she was more annoyed that they were now stuck together rather than, you know, being glad? Relieved, even? Wasn't the reason X-2 even happened was because of Yuna's desire to find Tidus? Why is she suddenly being so tsundere? There's a difference between playful teasing and just being cold.  :-\

It's sad because this ending, coupled with Will's events, just gives me the impression that Tidus was just being led on and in denial of their failing relationship all this time. Which is why he seemed uncharacteristically depressed and soft-spoken in Will. You know what, maybe Obscur's 'corruption' theory is right, only Yuna's feelings were 'sealed away' by Ifarnal and then corrupted/influenced by Bria and Kush' underwhelming reunion.

Really, what this seems like to me was Nojima was looking at Yoko Taro's work and then going, 'If he can make his stories as edgy as he wants, then so can I!" :P
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by Danko Kaji on August 24, 2015, 02:10:59 pm »
Whelp. That ending.  ???

I think what frustrated me the most was the utter lack of setting detail? Like Tidus jumping from one place to the next, the whole 'the elder ladies wanted to hide the accidental incident' for no apparent good reason? What's the point of ambiguously painting Bria as a villain? So he had the chance to relive his life anew, fall in love again, have a family, which defies the logic of him as an incarnate (dead) spirit? So does imagination serve as the fuel to pyrefly magic? Confusion everywhere.

I feel like when Bria called his relationship with Kush 'a puppy love, a thing of the past,' it seriously foreshadowed Tidus and Yuna's love.

I just think Nojima really hates the Tuna romance, because it does not fit with his original vision.

That's what I'm getting from this mess of a novel.
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by CrystalOfLies on August 23, 2015, 02:56:43 pm »

Maybe this book takes place in some kind of 'alternate reality'. Like you know how there's two Besaid's in the book? Maybe there's actually more. three, at least.
The canon one, where things actually took place in the game... Johit's summoned one... and then wherever this book took place.
that's the only way I can make sense of this, haha.


I'm down with that idea. Let's just think that the gritty, realistic X-2.5 and Will is a branching alternate dimension to X-2, while all of the giddy and happy-go-lucky stuff is in another branching alternate dimension to X-2! That way all of the fans can be happy. Because if Nojima can insert alternate dimensions into the 'canon' then so can we! :P
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by kk on August 23, 2015, 02:47:42 pm »
Also, when did Yuna become such a tsundere? She's reunited with Tidus and all she says is, "be more careful and stop apologizing all the time." really?? how does that sound like Yuna at all?? Especially when in the games, SHE'S the one who apologizes way too much............ what the heck is this? surely you jest.

OkAY, SORRY. I'm done now. >.>

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by kk on August 23, 2015, 02:43:26 pm »
Anyway-- rants aside... xD

Thanks so much, Chercheur!!!! you put a lot of work into this, and I'm so grateful for that!!!!!!!

even though I may not like the book very much, I'm still so glad for the opportunity to read it, and I never would have gotten that without you!! You're awesome!! :D

And CrystalofLies, too!!!!!!!

One million gold stars to you both. :P
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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Last post by kk on August 23, 2015, 02:41:50 pm »
That ending is literally the stupidest thing because it defies the canon of the actual scene...

Nojima left out an entire line that Yuna actually spoke, and all of her actions, which defy the mood he is trying to paint this scene as having. The way he describes the scene is so completely opposite of how it actually happened.

Yuna's smile was only 'pale' when he said he might disappear. But  it went away quickly. she was overjoyed after his cheesy line about the Fayth, hahah. She hugs him. She's so giddy she pushs him off a damn cliff, laughing all the while.

That chapter was such a reach and an attempt to inject inflated angst into a scene that canonly has none of that. SMH. u_u There's no way that Yuna would have acted the way she did in the Perfect Ending if she knew he was some summoned ghost thing. She was genuinely content and happy in that moment.

Maybe this book takes place in some kind of 'alternate reality'. Like you know how there's two Besaid's in the book? Maybe there's actually more. three, at least.
The canon one, where things actually took place in the game... Johit's summoned one... and then wherever this book took place.
that's the only way I can make sense of this, haha.
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