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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 11, 2015, 12:41:51 pm »
I just realised: If Chuami really is telling the truth about being Auron's daughter... she's technically the only living relative Tidus has left if Auron had filled out adoption forms.

His only family is his adopted stepsister. Such tragedy. Many angst.

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 11, 2015, 11:29:52 am »
Exactly. Don't you find it strange that in close to two years since its release, Square issued a Japanese and French release for the novel but not an English one? This may just be country bias, but I'm sure that the most-used language in the FF community, alongside Japanese, is English. Why make it inaccessible to a majority of English fans, then? It makes me think that Square didn't think the novella was entirely a good idea, but didn't want to disrespect Nojima in that regard.

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 11, 2015, 10:37:07 am »
Guys, guys. Now this is just my opinion, but we have to remember that not all of the FFX community are die-hard fans (I used to be one but now I've mostly turned to AUs and concept designs). Games aren't the niche, 'nerdy' things that they used to be 15~ years ago; now they're a hobby to lots of people from hardc*re to casual. Remember that for in order for something to succeed, they need to appeal to the widest audience. Not all of the fans want to be bludgeoned with overly-complicated and deep themes. Nor do all of them want to read an entire novel just to get a vague understanding of another 30-minute long drama with no visual stimuli. Leave that to the medium that people can choose to adapt as headcanon. Like fanfiction. M'jai's fanfictions for example; should we just disregard and force everyone to write off absolutely everything in the Spira's Dream series just because it isn't canon?

Yes, Nojima expressed that he would like to see an X-3. But he writes scenarios. He can tell a story about how Tidus and Yuna become heavy drug addicts and how Yevon forces everyone in Spira to do the Macarena for five hours every day, but if it's disapproved and rejected by Square, it's not happening. Square owns the rights to FFX and ultimately decides what happens with it. It's up to the higher powers to decide if an X-3 would be a good idea or not. And you all know how divided the FF community gets when anything is announced, especially for older games. Sad but true.

I think we should keep this speculation light-hearted, free of tension and not point any bitter fingers to the rest of the fanbase. It's not good to be a hipster who jeers at any of the filthy casuals, even if we did just translate an entire novella that a good portion of the fanbase doesn't even know exists. :P

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to plan a fanfiction for the Bad Ending timeline. :D

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 10, 2015, 04:33:19 pm »
To demonstrate, I've made up my own little timeline. Apologies if you can't read my handwriting, but you see what I'm getting at, right? :P



and no, the ff7 connection doesnt exist, it's all in the mind

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 10, 2015, 01:32:54 pm »
Quote from: mamboitaliano on September 10, 2015, 01:15:21 pm
Fiction does this all of the time. Look at Zelda, Star Wars, or countless other works of fiction that constantly create alternate timelines or in Star Wars case, dismiss countless works as non-canon.

This is exactly what I was thinking about in regards to this new canon. We all know it's highly controversial. Heck, Square knows as well. Considering how much they twisted and turned XIII's lore, it won't surprise me if they eventually do come out and regard this as alternate universe. Nojima already considered it an 'expansion to the world,' as vague as that might be.

For example, they came out with the official timeline for the Zelda games, yeah? It starts with what I call the 'Master Canon,' that is Skyward Sword to Minish Cap to Four Swords to Ocarina of Time. However, when it gets to Ocarina of Time, that's when the timeline is split up into three different universes.

It wouldn't be entirely taboo to do something like this with such a versatile universe like Spira, right? A lot of animes like Evangelion and Clannad do this as well. You have the 'Master Canon' that is FFX and FFX-2, then after their events the timeline splits into two different universes. In one universe, Tidus and Yuna aren't entirely happy and 'accepted' upon returning to Besaid, hence the events of Price of Eternity and Will. On the other hand, he and his friends lead a much more enjoyable future which leads into a separate universe.

I know, Nojima's the Word of God and we should all treat his work like holy scriptures, but at least if I was intent on milking the universe of Spira VII Compilation-style without p*ssing off all of the fans, I would consider something like this. :P

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 03, 2015, 12:23:46 pm »
Quote from: Danko Kaji on September 03, 2015, 11:58:18 am
Quote from: UltimaGriever on September 03, 2015, 02:34:03 am
Now that I think of it, the novella justifies Yuna's attitude in the audio drama (her going back to her old ways etc). Remember what Auron said at the bottom of Macalania Lake? That it was not Yevon, the temples or the teachings that gave summoners power, but the fayth. Yuna had recently seen proof that the art of summoning was not obsolete, that there were ways other than what Yevon's teachings taught her to believe in.

Given that she found out that she still is a summoner, that she never ceased to be one just because Yevon's fayth vanished, and that she now had the knowledge of creating Aeon Cores (that most certainly does not involve sex (at least where intercourse in itself is concerned), lest poor Bedohl males Johit turned into Cores), she could be trying to reach a state of mind in that she could be able to do just that, under the guise of "praying to the fayth". Doing that, not only does she sharpen her somewhat dampened summoning skills that she had not practiced for 2 years, but keeps encouraging the Besaid elders' faith.

Just my two cents on the matter. :)


There are many possibilities for FFX-3, such as discovering the true nature of Sin, who the main antagonist may be (leader of the Yevoner hunters? Or whoever freakin beckoned Sin?), exploring the whole world to uncover more mysteries that the Dark Age of Yevon stifled, and Yuna coming to terms with her feelings once and for all. I do like kk's idea (from tumblr, hehe) that the best outcome for Tidus would be to turn him into a Fayth as the mighty LEVIATHAN, let's hear it folks! :D (Although I personally prefer if Tidus could finally rest in peace and chill in the Farplane. It's not good for the Tuna romance if Yuna's stuck romancing a Fayth. :P)

Of course! There was never a 'true' water-themed aeon that we ever hear of in the Spiran lore. It turns out that Tidus would be the chosen vessel for Leviathan: The 300-mile-long demon that would destroy and recreate the world anew! :P

But personally, I would like to see the fayth's 'true motives' explored if an X-3 ever comes out. I would think that a mass of people subjected to a world-changing war, then being enslaved by their city's leader and forced to conjure the memory of their destroyed city for a thousand years would end up with some of them being... not the nicest, shall we say. I would even go as far as to say that some of them spite Tidus for relying on their painful dreaming to stay alive (maybe his murder was planned in advance by one of the fayth so that it would look like someone else did it/an accident, so that they could finally end their dreaming. Of course, it didn't exactly work that way...)

It would be a very 'the grey place between black and white' story. Are the fayth selfish for what they did, or are they justified? Is it their fault that they were forced to create Dream Zanarkand, which by all means was an 'accident' of the Machina War? Is what happens to Tidus their fault, or Yuna's? Is there a fayth that is 'above' the rest of them?

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 03, 2015, 11:03:55 am »
Quote from: sarahlyf on September 03, 2015, 11:02:14 am
I have just listened to the 'Bonus Audio' an hour ago ...which turned my world upside down

Oh dear God..... what have I gotten myself into...

Welcome to a whole new world of insanity.

You'll never go back to the fanbase again. :P

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Original Novel Translated vs. Fan-written Restoration
« on: September 02, 2015, 01:23:37 pm »
Quote from: Danko Kaji on September 02, 2015, 01:01:09 pm
Thank you so much, ChecheurObscur! I guess I mixed them up somewhere after Tidus shrugged... Yay! Thank you again.  You're the best! <3

Hm, but the radio was an unexpected surprise. Perhaps I really do need to replay FFX and check out the NPCs. See what the world is like through the smaller details.

I also recall microphones (the Normal Ending to X-2 and the singing FMVs) and megaphones (Tidus taunting the Goers in X) existing, and Shinra has a big computer set up just for him. Perhaps spheres are primarily used for outputting visual feed, and recent technology such as Commspheres added audio to them. But that doesn't explain the spheres we find in X-2 that were recorded a long time ago. Maybe sphere technology is really expensive? Or maybe the main resource for making spheres -- the lakes in Macalania Woods -- are now dying out, and the Al Bhed are making machina alternatives which are known as our technology in the real world. Orrr, they dug up/drew references from the machina in Zanarkand's golden years. I recall there being a washing machine and a microwave in Tidus' boathouse!

You're right, it is rather confusing. But it's fun to speculate. :P

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Original Novel vs. Restoration
« on: August 26, 2015, 03:41:44 pm »
I never believed it was full-on, stripped naked and really-going-at-it sex. I always took it as either a more gentle and amateur session or just simply metaphorical, 'spiritual' sex.

Or a mixture of both, like this.

The FMV does paint it as a sort of otherworldly and poetic scenario, but I do think there was more to it than just two kisses and a hug. Even TV Tropes thinks so.  ::)

But I don't have a problem with them making love in an established work. They're humans too, and young ones at that.

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 24, 2015, 02:30:24 pm »
Quote from: Danko Kaji on August 24, 2015, 02:10:59 pm
Whelp. That ending.  ???

I think what frustrated me the most was the utter lack of setting detail? Like Tidus jumping from one place to the next, the whole 'the elder ladies wanted to hide the accidental incident' for no apparent good reason? What's the point of ambiguously painting Bria as a villain? So he had the chance to relive his life anew, fall in love again, have a family, which defies the logic of him as an incarnate (dead) spirit? So does imagination serve as the fuel to pyrefly magic? Confusion everywhere.

I feel like when Bria called his relationship with Kush 'a puppy love, a thing of the past,' it seriously foreshadowed Tidus and Yuna's love.

I just think Nojima really hates the Tuna romance, because it does not fit with his original vision.

That's what I'm getting from this mess of a novel.

Not to mention, as kk said, how Yuna didn't seem to give a **** about reuniting with Tidus when it was possible that he might not have ever seen her again, and only a few days after their reunion. It seemed she was more annoyed that they were now stuck together rather than, you know, being glad? Relieved, even? Wasn't the reason X-2 even happened was because of Yuna's desire to find Tidus? Why is she suddenly being so tsundere? There's a difference between playful teasing and just being cold.  :-\

It's sad because this ending, coupled with Will's events, just gives me the impression that Tidus was just being led on and in denial of their failing relationship all this time. Which is why he seemed uncharacteristically depressed and soft-spoken in Will. You know what, maybe Obscur's 'corruption' theory is right, only Yuna's feelings were 'sealed away' by Ifarnal and then corrupted/influenced by Bria and Kush' underwhelming reunion.

Really, what this seems like to me was Nojima was looking at Yoko Taro's work and then going, 'If he can make his stories as edgy as he wants, then so can I!" :P

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 23, 2015, 02:56:43 pm »
Quote from: kk on August 23, 2015, 02:41:50 pm

Maybe this book takes place in some kind of 'alternate reality'. Like you know how there's two Besaid's in the book? Maybe there's actually more. three, at least.
The canon one, where things actually took place in the game... Johit's summoned one... and then wherever this book took place.
that's the only way I can make sense of this, haha.


I'm down with that idea. Let's just think that the gritty, realistic X-2.5 and Will is a branching alternate dimension to X-2, while all of the giddy and happy-go-lucky stuff is in another branching alternate dimension to X-2! That way all of the fans can be happy. Because if Nojima can insert alternate dimensions into the 'canon' then so can we! :P

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 23, 2015, 01:30:51 pm »
"He had faith in Yuna's smile."

...And then she ditched him to go face Sin with some strangers. THE END.  :P

But thanks for all your work, everyone!

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 21, 2015, 12:14:14 pm »
You know, I think I've figured out what makes the novella/audio drama so off-putting to me, apart from the obvious material.

You see, no matter how serious the situation was, everything in FFX(-2) was romanticised: You had these beautifully-coloured, varying environments and characters; music was constantly playing in the background and you had these cinematic, sometimes exaggerated camera angles. It takes the word 'fantasy' quite seriously. Because of all these factors, even devastating scenes like Kilika and Home's destruction or the failure of Operation Mi'ihen seemed almost poetic or mournful, rather than instilling terror into the player. There was also the pacing of the dialogue, and even in the Japanese version most of the dialogue was written in a poetic format.

But with the audio drama and the novel in particular, everything seems a lot more raw. They seem to get straight to the point with everything with no priority over subtlety when it comes to topics like death. Because we have no visual or audible stimuli, nothing's there to really 'distract' us. We have everything straight-up told to us through dialogue and narration, so graphic descriptions like Chuami's mother's death and Tidus' decapitation become a lot more shocking. If, say, we were told about Home's destruction in written format only, the revelation would be a lot more surprising.

Whether or not this is a good thing is entirely up to opinion, and in my opinion it doesn't really click with me. The FFX saga is an inspiration to me because of its world and its 'show, don't tell' mentality for most things. I think that this is simply just a case of using simpler mediums, since obviously SE didn't want to make a half-hour long cutscene exclusively for a remaster. :P

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 18, 2015, 02:33:36 am »
Oh my god, Pyreflies! You're back!

Better be careful with what you say. They've convinced themselves that the novella is good and interesting. :P

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 14, 2015, 09:22:21 am »
I don't know why you thought I would be upset by this chapter, Obscur. It's just Bria not being very bright. :P

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