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FFX General / Re: If Seymour HAD become Yuna's Final Aeon...
« on: September 11, 2015, 12:21:04 am »
I don't think Baralai and Seymour shared a bond deep enough for that. Seymour just took Baralai under his wing so he could find uses for him (perhaps against Kinoc). Besides, Seymour is a summoner himself, it'd be the other way around if it were even possible.

I can't see him being an aeon other than Yuna's because of his love/obsession for her. Remember when Johit tried to summon using those Al Bhed as cores, he could only summon a fiend-like rat because his bond with them was not even remotely close by then. But yeah, they have loads of tension between them (I could feel the sexual tension at the scene when he proposed to her >.> not sure if it was just wishful thinking though) which could make it hard for this scenario to come true.

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 10, 2015, 07:55:56 pm »
I couldn't really imagine it being that happy for them either way. It's not that Yuna outgrew Tidus, just that they'd meet a lot of resistance from the elders (who wanted her to settle down and get married to someone respectable) and problems would arise eventually, because Tidus doesn't respect Yevon and authority in general while Yuna does.

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 10, 2015, 04:33:26 pm »
The only thing I care to wonder is if this novella would be better accepted if those faux translations didn't leak. Or that the events of a bloody war would be roses and flowers and pyreflies were fireworks.

The hypocrisy is glaring. Never mind the enlightenment to Spira's history this work provides us, it's all about real-world issues not being even remotely possible in a work of fiction for the sake of being fiction and it's even worse if that fiction's couple starts to disagree on how to act because it's the first time they can actually be honest with each other. Wow.

-Will- is canon, it has been provided by an official and legitimate source (FFX/X-2 HD Remaster Blu-Ray) and it references events from the novella, which was also provided by an official and legitimate source (Nojima), which makes it canon, too. I hated with all of my guts that FFVII is getting a remake because it's lame, but it's going to happen anyway and there's nothing that can be done about it. So yes, the audio tale is canon, the novella is canon, get over it. SE might not release FFX-3, but, if they do, they will most likely base themselves off the audio and the novella.

Star Wars EU books were written by licensed authors, they were basically licensed fanfiction, so it's understandable that Disney regarded them as non-canon because they didn't come from the original creator and they conflict on various points. But this novella was written by Nojima himself, the man who wrote the whole FFX history and created the characters, it's in his right to write whatever he wants and SE is in their right to consider it canon.

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 07, 2015, 06:39:01 pm »
Of course! There was never a 'true' water-themed aeon that we ever hear of in the Spiran lore. It turns out that Tidus would be the chosen vessel for Leviathan: The 300-mile-long demon that would destroy and recreate the world anew! :P

And if it's possible to turn incarnate spirits into Fayth, then maybe Seymour can become Odin! :D

Sorry, UltimaGriever, I piggy-backed from your brilliant idea. <3

Or Auron as a male Asura? please don't hate me

Edit: EVEN BETTER, Auron shall be the Pheonix!!!  :o

Seymour is TOTALLY Odin <3

I think I'm gonna draw this, I wonder how I can convey it though...

Well, about Yuna and her tendency to keep **** from everyone else, it's perfectly foreseeable. After all, she did keep Jyscal's sphere from her guardians and proceeded to marry Seymour fully knowing about his being a murderer and his schemes, and, had that nun not found the sphere, they would probably find out about her plans right at the last minute.

This reminded me of the talk Tidus and Auron had about Yuna's decision to marry. He had said that she wanted to "negotiate" with him, but he never said what exactly. Later when I replayed the game, it occurred to me that the "negotiations" were actually regarding to Seymour being willing to become Yuna's FA... Just an idea.

The fayth of DZ were most likely brainwashed into becoming so. The novella states that Yu Yevon and Yunalesca used to brainwash their forces into being suicidal, whether they were men, women or children. It's not unlikely that they were forced to do this: even though it's required that the person undergoing the change must be willing to do so, they could be induced into it by magic or religious influence.


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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: September 03, 2015, 02:34:03 am »
Now that I think of it, the novella justifies Yuna's attitude in the audio drama (her going back to her old ways etc). Remember what Auron said at the bottom of Macalania Lake? That it was not Yevon, the temples or the teachings that gave summoners power, but the fayth. Yuna had recently seen proof that the art of summoning was not obsolete, that there were ways other than what Yevon's teachings taught her to believe in.

Given that she found out that she still is a summoner, that she never ceased to be one just because Yevon's fayth vanished, and that she now had the knowledge of creating Aeon Cores (that most certainly does not involve sex (at least where intercourse in itself is concerned), lest poor Bedohl males Johit turned into Cores), she could be trying to reach a state of mind in that she could be able to do just that, under the guise of "praying to the fayth". Doing that, not only does she sharpen her somewhat dampened summoning skills that she had not practiced for 2 years, but keeps encouraging the Besaid elders' faith.

Just my two cents on the matter. :)

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 26, 2015, 02:20:48 pm »
That much I got alright, what I didn't get was why he was so keen for Yuna to beckon Tidus, even going to the extreme of killing him so it would be possible for her to do it. It just... doesn't fit. :/ It's pretty much like the reason for summoning the island at all.

I think Johit is a really sad man. He said that he wished he had died much earlier (perhaps during that battle?), that he regrets being so vain in his youth (he really looks like Bickson in my mind, that jerk from the Luca Goers) and his unrequited love for Kush. Maybe he had no other purpose than to summon, after his expulsion from Besaid when the Church built the temple there... pretty much like Yu Yevon, the very man he had fought against during the war. At the same time as he felt jealous of Kush and Valm/Bria, he'd erase the latter's memories about the former maybe in an effort to protect his existence, since that was what Kush would have wanted: to set Bria free from her and the war. He had a whole future ahead of him and only death awaited her. She chose to get out of the picture so he would leave, but that didn't work out and the "mechanical" Bedohl killed him.

Speaking of mechanical Bedohls, are they really a thing? Because the ones we saw in the story were actually true, human, only that Alb might have done some magic or brainwashing in them so they'd act "robotic". In my mind, they look like this, which is actually an Al Bhed kid. It's said that Alb had never managed to create artificial Bedohls. This should mean that the "mechanical" Bedohl we see is either a summoned one or an unsent that has been brainwashed.

As for the Aeon Cores, Ifahnal brought up a topic that's worth attention. The limitation imposed by Yevon on the post-war summoners have severely diminished their potential power. The knowledge of creating fayth has been concentrated into Yunalesca's hand and any other methods may have been forbidden by the teachings. If, say, Ifahnal had passed down his knowledge, he'd surely be executed and sent, and that was the last thing he wanted. The utility of summoners had been reduced to "defeating" Sin (that's what people wanted to believe in) and perpetuating the cycle whilst injecting false hope in people. Forcing summoners to use whatever fayth available to them and deny them the knowledge of creating their own aeons severely diminished their power. The Aeon Core was akin to the Final Aeon Yunalesca created - it was an impressive creature born from a fayth who shared a close bond with its summoner. Imagine if anyone could harness such power - the Church would be powerless. It could be said that the Yevon era was, indeed, a Dark Age.

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 25, 2015, 06:59:46 am »
I don't think it's impossible for Bria to have kids... since he's pretty much like an unsent. They are as tangible as the living, only with a more fragile state of existence that can change as soon as they find out about their condition. That is what makes them different from the unsent: the latter are aware of being unsent, while the former don't even know that they're already dead.

I've always had that feeling that Bria/Valm was not so into Kush... I don't know why, maybe because of the moment he died, he felt like she was getting on his nerves, never considered how she felt about him, that it was only about him and his becoming of an Aeon Core without thinking of the consequences. Kush never wanted that for him, for him to live an eternity between life and death.

I thought there would be more to the story than this. I didn't get so many things. :( Like why Ifahnal summoned the island. Was it because of Kush, and how it reminded him of her? I mean, it was a war site, so many people fought and died there, why would he want to revive such a moment? And I have to re-read it to deduce why he killed Tidus.. :( Oh god. I feel so blind.

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 21, 2015, 03:52:27 pm »
WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :D

Right on the eve of my birthday! :D :D :D *sets off fireworks*

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 19, 2015, 06:47:11 am »
Is there a spoiler tag in here? Because I'm beginning to think that I know what Chercheur is talking about, but I'm unsure of whether I should say it here or not. D:

But I'm still unsure of the reason why he'd do it. Does it have something to do with Zanarkand? That Tidus was summoned by Yevon, the "heretic" mentioned in the novella? That he'd be able to weaken the Farplane, which was already unstable, by killing off someone who had already been brought back from it, only to bring him back again and see it blow up from the inside? Jealousy for Kush, perhaps? I don't know. :(

I think I'm the only one here who actually liked the novella. It's not like I expected kittens and rainbows come out of it, you know.

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 14, 2015, 03:07:30 pm »
Ugh.. cliffhangers! D:

Ifarnal seems to have acknowledged that he was a stupid brat back in his day, but he still retains some of that arrogance. "Sire Johit"... surely you jest.

Wtf is wrong with Bria? D: He's batshit insane.

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 01, 2015, 09:31:15 pm »
It's okay, kids >>>>>>>>>>>>>> translations. :p

Yaaaaaaaay! More lore makes me happy happy!

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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« on: August 01, 2015, 08:55:10 am »
Wait... so Ifahnal summoned the island using Kush as the aeon core? I mean, what for?

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So Bria did have a child as an unsent! :O

Btw...

Yay! I got the thing about Yunalesca right! She was indeed the Summoner Princess! :D Which makes Yu Yevon the Mage of Zanarkand. Yay! This sorta confirms my headcanon on the Machina War :D

EDIT: I think some of the Al Bhed language in the translation is off. "Good evening" is actually "Kuut ajahehk". Fyi ;)

Omg I sooooooooo want to read more! I wonder why Ifarnal is avoiding Yuna, is it because he's afraid she might send him? Or does it have something to do with the Tidus murder thing? :o My mind is blown.

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Omg yes! I have so many of these, because I've been playing this game for so long...

Yevon's age was definitely a Dark Age. Technology and science couldn't advance past Yevon's teachings, the church was incredibly corrupt and didn't really want the cycle to stop, because that meant they would lose their power. There's no way to know if there really were fayth that belonged to other races because none are shown, not even those from Zanarkand at Mt. Gagazet...

Sin was basically programmed to destroy large settlements and machina cities, so the city where the Al Bhed lived in Bikanel was most likely leveled because of that. But, in the beginning, Yu Yevon had control over Sin and destroyed Zanarkand on purpose, just so he could show off to Bevelle and bend them on their knees to him. That was the main purpose why Bevelle spread Yevon's church to Spira, that's what Maechen said.. unless I'm mistaken? >.>

Yevon was outright narcissist. He placed higher regard on his city's memory than the city itself and its people, hence why he didn't fight harder to protect it, just sacrificed his entire people and created a facsimile of it before leveling it just to show how mighty he was and that everyone should worship him as God else he will destroy everything. It's sick.

I've played FFX/X-2 for 10+ years now, about half of my lifetime. The Machina War was the event that piqued my curiosity the most, because not only Sin was the aftermath of the war, but how the whole story surrounding it was taboo and the only thing people knew was that "people used machina to kill, hence why Yevon's teachings forbid the use of machina". Ruins of places destroyed by the battles are scattered throughout Spira. They just said that a war broke between Bevelle and Zanarkand, no one can say for what reasons. The novella provided golden information on that time: how summoning wasn't exclusive to Zanarkand as their fayth seemingly claimed to be, how summoning didn't necessarily mean fayth (nobody calls the Aeon Cores fayth) and most of the reality of the war, i.e. summoner recruiting and training in Bevelle, brainwashing in Zanarkand, what people used to believe in prior to Yevon's church and the origins of the Al Bhed. I can't believe in how much people bash in it though... >.>

Please return!  :'(

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FFX General / Re: If Seymour HAD become Yuna's Final Aeon...
« on: July 22, 2015, 07:29:11 am »
*high five*

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