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FFX-3 Speculation and Developments / The Inconsistencies and meaning of canon
« on: March 21, 2014, 03:45:26 pm »
Hello, all. New to this forum, found it after searching for a translation of that abomination called the Novella. Looking at this small forum, I see a topic talking about canonical revelations, but I'm wanting to throw a wrench into it and examine some of the inconsistencies within that poke holes at the idea of it being canon. Without further ado:
The Shoopufs:
In the Audio Drama, Wakka talks about how the Moonflow Shoopuf was the last of its kind after Sin killed the last female 30 years ago. However, in Final Fantasy X-2 Shoopufs are seen in Bikanel Desert and around Mt. Gagazet.
Children of the guardians and summoner:
While this one is pretty small and not much of an argument, Lulu tells Chuami that people come around claiming to be children of Braska, Jecht, and Auron all the time. Okay, not very unbelievable. But take into consideration, the people doing this would be around their late teens to early twenties. I don't think many people would try to claim to be a child of Jecht or Braska, given that it would mean they're a sibling to Tidus or Yuna. Closer to elevenish, maybe, since that was around the time of the pilgrimage.
Final Aeon?
Yuna speaks of how the only thing that can kill Sin is the final Aeon. This is wrong for multiple reasons. First, using the final Aeon can't kill Sin. It will stop him for a time, but he will rise again. Second, the only way to kill Sin is to defeat him from inside and kill the final Aeon, then Yu Yevon; Yuna knows this. Third, Yuna never even had a final Aeon. You could technically count Anima, I suppose, but she isn't required to beat the game, and if it's the international version and you miss the destruction sphere, she isn't gonna be in your final party! Finally, Yunalesca is dead. While she could have been brought back like Sin had, I highly doubt she would be willing to help Yuna make a Final Aeon, especially after her refusal to sacrifice one of her guardians in the first game.
Begin edit: (This is one that came to me when thinking about the FFX-2 endings)
Clothes:
The translation for the first chapter of the Novella (as provided on this forum) doesn't fall in line with the true ending of FFX-2. It has Tidus returning, Yuna embracing him, and them returned to Besaid Village. The elders made Yuna change out of her risque clothing and into proper attire. The true ending still has her in her gunner outfit. While changing back to Gunner would make sense for Last Mission--going back to the way she was in YRP, I really can't see that being something she changes into to go to Zanarkand with Tidus.
End edit:
Definition of canon:
I'm a big Whovian, and canon gets thrown around a lot there. So let's go to the time war..
Comic books:
The comic has the time war ending at the hand's of the Eighth Doctor using a weapon called the Moment. The Moment was a de-mat gun linked with the Key of Rassilon. The idea behind this was the Doctor fired the de-mat gun and Key of Rassilon combination and wiped the Daleks and Time Lords from reality itself.
The 50th Anniversary special:
The War Doctor, which was a regeneration of the Eighth Doctor and LONG after his time, stole the Moment. The Moment was an ancient weapon from close to the beginning of Time Lord society that was locked away for its power.
The relevance? The Last Great Time War was forced into canon through its inclusion in the plot of the show. But the true end is the one that happened in the show. Why? The show is the main medium. If Doctor Who was a comic book series translated into a show, then the Comic Book would be the canon, but that is not the case. For it to be considered true canon, it would be necessary for it to be referenced in FFX-3, which doesn't exist as of yet.
Now inevitable, Advent Children will be brought into it. "Advent Children was a TV movie and is an accepted canon for the saga of FFVII". Fair point. But Cloud's character never gained full closure on the deaths of Aerith and Zack. The movie gives him that and allows his character to finally move on. Compare that to Tidus and Yuna who had a closed story. All their loose ends were tied, there weren't really any questions left to ask. Their characters were at peace.
Is X-3 coming? It is, we all know it is. But until it actually hits, I find it hard to consider the Novella and Audio Drama as hard canon. What do you all think?
The Shoopufs:
In the Audio Drama, Wakka talks about how the Moonflow Shoopuf was the last of its kind after Sin killed the last female 30 years ago. However, in Final Fantasy X-2 Shoopufs are seen in Bikanel Desert and around Mt. Gagazet.
Children of the guardians and summoner:
While this one is pretty small and not much of an argument, Lulu tells Chuami that people come around claiming to be children of Braska, Jecht, and Auron all the time. Okay, not very unbelievable. But take into consideration, the people doing this would be around their late teens to early twenties. I don't think many people would try to claim to be a child of Jecht or Braska, given that it would mean they're a sibling to Tidus or Yuna. Closer to elevenish, maybe, since that was around the time of the pilgrimage.
Final Aeon?
Yuna speaks of how the only thing that can kill Sin is the final Aeon. This is wrong for multiple reasons. First, using the final Aeon can't kill Sin. It will stop him for a time, but he will rise again. Second, the only way to kill Sin is to defeat him from inside and kill the final Aeon, then Yu Yevon; Yuna knows this. Third, Yuna never even had a final Aeon. You could technically count Anima, I suppose, but she isn't required to beat the game, and if it's the international version and you miss the destruction sphere, she isn't gonna be in your final party! Finally, Yunalesca is dead. While she could have been brought back like Sin had, I highly doubt she would be willing to help Yuna make a Final Aeon, especially after her refusal to sacrifice one of her guardians in the first game.
Begin edit: (This is one that came to me when thinking about the FFX-2 endings)
Clothes:
The translation for the first chapter of the Novella (as provided on this forum) doesn't fall in line with the true ending of FFX-2. It has Tidus returning, Yuna embracing him, and them returned to Besaid Village. The elders made Yuna change out of her risque clothing and into proper attire. The true ending still has her in her gunner outfit. While changing back to Gunner would make sense for Last Mission--going back to the way she was in YRP, I really can't see that being something she changes into to go to Zanarkand with Tidus.
End edit:
Definition of canon:
I'm a big Whovian, and canon gets thrown around a lot there. So let's go to the time war..
Comic books:
The comic has the time war ending at the hand's of the Eighth Doctor using a weapon called the Moment. The Moment was a de-mat gun linked with the Key of Rassilon. The idea behind this was the Doctor fired the de-mat gun and Key of Rassilon combination and wiped the Daleks and Time Lords from reality itself.
The 50th Anniversary special:
The War Doctor, which was a regeneration of the Eighth Doctor and LONG after his time, stole the Moment. The Moment was an ancient weapon from close to the beginning of Time Lord society that was locked away for its power.
The relevance? The Last Great Time War was forced into canon through its inclusion in the plot of the show. But the true end is the one that happened in the show. Why? The show is the main medium. If Doctor Who was a comic book series translated into a show, then the Comic Book would be the canon, but that is not the case. For it to be considered true canon, it would be necessary for it to be referenced in FFX-3, which doesn't exist as of yet.
Now inevitable, Advent Children will be brought into it. "Advent Children was a TV movie and is an accepted canon for the saga of FFVII". Fair point. But Cloud's character never gained full closure on the deaths of Aerith and Zack. The movie gives him that and allows his character to finally move on. Compare that to Tidus and Yuna who had a closed story. All their loose ends were tied, there weren't really any questions left to ask. Their characters were at peace.
Is X-3 coming? It is, we all know it is. But until it actually hits, I find it hard to consider the Novella and Audio Drama as hard canon. What do you all think?