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Title: !OUTDATED INFORMATION! -- The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on December 30, 2013, 01:44:25 am
UPDATE6: New information derived from fresh translations reveal the names of the new characters, and the general context of the story


--DISCLAIMER: Novellas are to be taken loosely --

Incomplete summary of events
Absconding on a trip together at Yuna's doing, Tidus and Yuna end up ship-wrecked on an ancient island where Tidus dies. Yuna is able to call him back from the Farplane after receiving help from a millennium-old unsent, but neither Tidus nor Yuna are not their old selves after this event; if Tidus realizes the way in which he was resurrected, he'll vanish, and Yuna's memories of her past life have been erased. The Farplane grows unstable afterwards, and soon the dead are being called back to Spira, including Sin.



A portion of the novella's narration is split into two alternating parts: GIRL'S SIDE, which details Tidus's and Yuna's events on the ancient island, and BOY'S SIDE, which tells the story of a female summoner and the sex-fayth method a thousand years ago. The two stories eventually merge at a point in the narrative.
Here's some new vocab you should know before you read so you won't be too confused:

Sex-fayth method - Way of creating fayth that involves establishing a mental bond with someone through sex and using that bond to create a Beast Core

Beast Core - Product of the person sacrificed through the sex-fayth method; provides the summoner the ability to use their imagination to create pyreforms based on the strength of the mental bond, instead of the preset aeons offered by the classically-created fayth

Beckoning - Act of calling the dead back from the Farplane through use of "wishing fervently" for their return
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GIRL'S SIDE

- Tidus is resurrected and welcomed back onto Besaid
a. Tidus finds himself distanced upon his realization of how Spira has changed from his departure without him
b. Yuna sails herself and Tidus out to sea sans Tidus's conscientiousness; he had been asleep on the boat
c. Tidus and Yuna have sexy time on the boat because Tidus feels concupiscence, causing the boat to wreck due to absence of a helmsman


- Yuna and Tidus become shipwrecked on an unknown island
a. Tidus and Yuna wander the island, trying to get their bearings straight and create a plan of action
b. Yuna, hesitant of her feelings towards Tidus, playfully yet consistently rejects his attempts at romance


- Death of Tidus on unknown island
a. Tidus gets hit by a bomb in the back of his head and mistakes it for a blitzball; he approaches the bomb, which detonates and blows his head off, causing Yuna to pass out
b. Tidus vanishes into pyreflies and his body is not to be found upon Yuna's awakening






BOY'S SIDE

- Story of the summoners Kushu and Ifarnal, and Kushu's guardian Briah at the ancient island during the Machina War
a. Kushu does not want to sacrifice Briah to create an aeon, and so has sex with Ifarnal to spare Briah's life
b. Kushu becomes the Beast Core for Ifarnal
c. Ifarnal turns unsent on island after he dies at 90-something
d. Ifarnal suffers through eternal life by losing the ones he loves to natural death; he had children as an unsent
e. He exists to current age, and supposedly remains on the island


- Origin of Al Bhed specified





GIRL'S AND BOY'S SIDE

Yuna encounters dead people and resurrects Tidus
a. Immediately after the death of Yuna, Ifarnal speaks to Yuna and details a few things for her:
     i. The revelation of the ancient island being a summoned sanction for summoners during the Machina War is revealed, as well as it's past existence as Besaid
     ii. The explanation of the old way of summoning, and presumably the sex-fayth method
     iii. The detailing of how reviving Tidus would entail both her loss of memory and his loss of knowledge on how he was revived; if either figure out, the process would be "undone"
     iiii. The elucidation of beckoning as a way to invoke the dead back to walk amongst the living


Everybody encounters dead people and they all leave the island
a. After Tidus's resurrection, he encounters a summoned version of Kushu; she requests that he "give a woman sitting in a chair looking out of a window 'a little push' on the shoulder" (Kushu's real body located in the ruins of Besaid)
b. Ifarnal requests of Yuna that he kill the summoned version of Kushu
c. Whether or not these requests were carried out, Tidus leaves the island by method of transportation through his pyrefly-state and Yuna rides a boat provided by Ifarnal (?)


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More information will be updated with time.


PAGE SCANS (two translated by site user KaminaSan and one by Pixel) IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:


KISS SCENE PAGE SCAN AND TRANSLATION (courtesy KaminaSan)
(http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/maca2bai/imgs/9/7/97dba146.jpg)
 
---     TRANSLATION     ---

T: "If the sunlight gets to be too much, we'll get all red, and it's over. We also don't have the Sphere (         ) so... it'd probably just end up badly (problematic)."

Y: "Yeah, that would be a disaster, let's find some shade."

T: "I'm trying to get to the shade... but someone ( ::))is being un-cooperative."

Y: "Hehe...
It's not bad though..."
Yuna said as she smiled and caressed her shoulders.

T: "It hurts..."
It hurts, cause I'm alive..."

T: "But we may as well confirm it with something that doesn't hurt!"
Tidus said while bringing his face closer.
Yuna pulled back without thinking.

Y: "Wait..."

T: "Come on... we were spared, let's at least share the joy."

Tidus moved his pouting lips closer.

Yuna pushed away his face while laughing.

Y: "Someone could be looking! Look, for example, that orange(?), it's just like Besaid!"

You could tell Tidus lost a bit of energy.

Looking around, they checked their surroundings again.

T: "You're right... it's like the Aurochs are gonna come running from over there," Tidus said while pointing toward the entrance to the road.

Tidus/Yuna: "But something is different... something that should be here... isn't".

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BATHING-SUIT SCENE PAGE SCAN AND TRANSLATION (courtesy KaminaSan)
(http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/maca2bai/imgs/6/4/64ce5a77.jpg)

---     TRANSLATION     ---

The two of them held a strategy meeting in the shade of a waterfall on the road. They tried to prioritize and fully grasp the whole situation.  They discussed what they would do if they met the inhabitants of this island.

T: "In any case, the first thing is to show that we mean no harm (hostility). In the case that the other party shows hostility, (can't see the kanji),  and they don't understand us, RUN! If we get split up, meet back up at the waterfall entrance.

T:Well... that's the plan anyways.

Y: Sure thing!

Tidus or Yuna (not sure who): "The stone statue kind of interests me, so if you find it, check it out!"

Y: "I mean... it's not like this place should be uninhabited, right? I hope they are nice."

T: "I know, right! Although... even if they were hostile, they would probably forfeit once they got a look at you"

Y: "Huh? Why?"

T: "Come on..."


Tidus pointed to her chest, her all black bathing suit was split into upper and lower parts.

T: "I ... get excited. I tried to get used to it, but... I still get fired up even with an accidental glance."

T: "And... I sometimes think of you... THAT way. But... I want you to forgive me. I mean, I told you the truth, so you gotta forgive me!"
 

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TIDUS'S DEATH PAGE SCAN AND TRANSLATION (courtesy of Pixel)
(http://i.imgur.com/9jXi0H5.jpg)

---     TRANSLATION     ---

"T: ""You giggled."

Y: "Its a secret."

T: "Yunaaa!"


Tidus spoke in a pitiful voice. It was funny, and unbearably adorable.

T: "Ouch!"

When she looked, Tidus was holding the back of his head.

T: "Huh?"

Tidus looked around in surprise. Before his eyes, there was a ball, rolling slowly. It was the colour of tanned leather, about the same size they use in blitzball matches.

T: "A Blitzball!?"

Tidus started walking toward the ball, looking for it's owner.
After one step...

As Yuna watched the situation, she was surprised by the tears that suddenly started welling up. Her feelings were greatly shaken, and she couldn't stand. As she crouched on the ground, holding herself with both arms, she was overcome with unbearable sadness.
Just then, there was a huge sound. Yuna was blown back by a violent explosion, thrown, spinning through the air. Something flew in front of her eyes. It was Tidus' head, fixed in an expression of surprise.

Yuna lost consciousness.

Unsent: "Remember him.
His name... was Tidus, correct?"


An unknown voice called to Yuna.

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What do you think?


Please, feel free to leave your thoughts below. This forum is for speculation and discussion as well as updating and providing new information.
Title: Re: The Novella (FFX-2.5) - separate Amazon release
Post by: bob on December 30, 2013, 12:24:47 pm
wait
what the ****

Yuna resurrecting Tidus?
doesn't seem right to me. I have a feeling that's lost in translation somewhere.


and scenes of sexual nature
just seems completely off the mark for SE to throw into anything explicitly. especially to such an appraised couple like these two.

I'm not calling bullshit
but I'm definitely hesitant of the details
Title: Re: The Novella (FFX-2.5) - separate Amazon release
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on December 30, 2013, 01:48:04 pm
Novella details are very sparse and vague at this point in time. There is no sure source where we can derive full, plausible content from yet.
From what's gathered in japanese reviews of the novella and loose fan translations as well, Yuna does somehow resurrect Tidus, and that plays into his weakened state exemplified in the audio drama.

Some believe that Tidus is in a permanent zombie-like status, or others believe more like a weakened unsent.

More details will come with time, though. Feel free to talk or speculate amongst anybody else who wanders by.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: stathicus on December 30, 2013, 08:57:43 pm
The part that scares me is that the few details we know so far totally make sense with the audio drama. Tidus being an unsent would explain why he seemed so weak to the narrator because of the increased pyrefly activity. Its just like how Auron became weaker when he was near the farplane. But, if Tidus were to be an unsent then that would mean he had to have died again at some point. Since the novel takes place BEFORE the audio drama, that means Tidus would have died within a FEW MONTHS of being back. That alone is absurd, never mind the fact that he supposedly died by getting his head blown off!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on December 31, 2013, 10:58:31 am
I apologize for the volatility of the information, but there's some new preliminary translations that are a bit more controversial.


Apparently, according to the novella and this http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=95361433&postcount=968 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=95361433&postcount=968) new information, Tidus was resurrected by Yuna with the use of pyreflies, rendering his existence futile if he realizes he is the product of such.
This is presumed to be the reason Yuna is more standoffish to him throughout both the audio drama and the novella, as the Japanese reviews weigh shockingly taken aback of Yuna's unprecedented coldheartedness towards Tidus after the happiness of FFX-2's ending.

So now, Yuna is in full control of Tidus because he is made of pyreflies. Nobody knew why that was or how she did it, though.
However, recent details reveal Yuna did this by making him a fayth (questionable).


Information reported states to make a fayth, you must have sex with the intended fayth (unconfirmed).
Since Tidus's death is assumed sudden, as his head was blown up by a bomb, this leads to the conclusion of necrophiliac acts to bring him back (speculatory).



This leads to numerous conclusions:
- Tidus's death must have been relatively surprising and sudden in-world
- Yuna must have made him a fayth in order to control him (a la the aeons) POSSIBLE EXPLANATION
- The sex must have been postmortem POSSIBLE INCLUSION
- Tidus currently does not know why he is alive
- Tidus's fayth must be constantly being summoned by Yuna in order for Tidus to stay alive consistently
VALID IF FORMER IS PROVEN TRUE

This also reveals the canonical evidence that fayth are created by the use of sex (unconfirmed for all fayth).
Whether or not the sex must be postmortem is arguable, however facts point towards it being a requirement as all past fayth were dead and Tidus is able to become a fayth through sex after death (speculatory).




Things are getting very warped, but we'll provide the best information we still can.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Zanark on January 01, 2014, 02:46:24 pm
Its disappointing how there is not a single japanese person who can confirm this :(
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 01, 2014, 02:51:57 pm
Its disappointing how there is not a single japanese person who can confirm this :(

Yes, I'm sorry for the volatility of these reports.

However, take with the greatest trust that we only post what we know to be true, and all speculatory items are labeled as such to not arouse confusion and misunderstanding. We personally have made contact with a number of people who speak Japanese and English, and although their reports are not official they are helpful and are as close as possible at this time to the actual subject matter.


Once again, I apologize, but rest assured we post with only the best intentions. Over time, we will add sources once they become reliable enough, and hopefully we'll get some more people at the forum to help with confirmation and to keep the threads populated.  Please stay with us for more information as time goes on, and feel free to speculate amongst yourself or others if they come along.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 01, 2014, 10:52:52 pm
"IT IS HEAVILY IMPLIED THAT THE SEX FAYTH METHOD WAS ONCE USED EXCLUSIVELY LONG AGO IN MILLENNIUM-OLD ZANARKAND, AND NOT NECESSARILY IN CURRENT USE."

I think a can breathe a sigh of relief... for now...

So if sex was involved in the making of fayth, I wonder how the people in Zanarkand millennium ago made babies  ???
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 01, 2014, 11:00:38 pm
Yes, things were very hectic earlier! I apologize for the uncertainty of former points.

We know for sure that sex is involved in one way to create a fayth, but that it was not incorporated into Tidus's and Yuna's events on the island. It's in the B-plot, a backstory set a millennium ago in Zanarkand concerning a female summoner, her beloved and a male summoner.

So no Yuna/Tidus sex as of yet, and certainly no necrophilia between them. However, we can't deny the existence of the general sexual nature between Tidus and Yuna on the island, and how intense it's gotten.


Preliminary reporting suggests that 55 pages or so into the novella, Yuna shied away from a kiss from Tidus. It's very plausible that the upsetedness over the sexual scenes in the Japanese reviews stem from Yuna's standoffishness towards Tidus's attempts to be more affectionate.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 01, 2014, 11:16:29 pm
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Preliminary reporting suggests that 55 pages or so into the novella, Yuna shied away from a kiss from Tidus.

Did this happen after Tidus head got blown off? :O
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 01, 2014, 11:31:52 pm
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Preliminary reporting suggests that 55 pages or so into the novella, Yuna shied away from a kiss from Tidus.

Did this happen after Tidus head got blown off? :O

Haha, no, that would be before Tidus presumed a blitzball for a bomb and blew his head off. Or, I would hope so.

It's understandable if Yuna shied away from a kiss from a decapitated head.


Unfortunately, there are very few page scans out there. It's hard to discern the location of events in the context of the novella's pages, although within the context of the story we know the narrative alternates between the A-PLOT of Yuna and Tidus on the summoner refuge island and the B-PLOT of the summoners and guardian at Zanarkand a millennium prior.
They are said to merge at some point late in the novella, as the B-PLOT follows the unsent male up to the point where he presumably encounters Yuna in her story.

That leaves ample time in between for the events at the island and the events of the summoners at Zanarkand a thousand years ago to be described separate of each other.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 01, 2014, 11:34:56 pm
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It's understandable if Yuna shied away from a kiss from a decapitated head.

Derp. Why did I even ask that  ;D

Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 01, 2014, 11:37:53 pm
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It's understandable if Yuna shied away from a kiss from a decapitated head.

Derp. Why did I even ask that  ;D

Haha, that's quite alright. I'm overjoyed someone else is just posting at this point.

I want this to be a place of speculation and general talk about the game as well as a symposium of trusted information, and you're doing a great job of exemplifying that. I greatly appreciate your input, and encourage you to do so whenever you feel like it.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: dez112 on January 02, 2014, 10:13:43 am
I wonder if anyone got any further scans of that Novel?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: dez112 on January 02, 2014, 10:45:08 am
Also, just to clarify, this Price of Eternity novel took place after the events of X-2 and before the events of the audio drama?

Please correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 02, 2014, 12:15:08 pm
I wonder if anyone got any further scans of that Novel?

I'm afraid the scans that were originally retrieved can no longer be viewed. It was hosted by a Japanese website, leading to my belief that it was either expired or moved to another host. If any more scans are found, I'll be sure to post them up here for public viewing and interpretation.

Also, just to clarify, this Price of Eternity novel took place after the events of X-2 and before the events of the audio drama?

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, that's correct! For an official timeline of events, I'll lay out each event and the corresponding result of each in respective order:

FFX - The Eternal Calm begins, Tidus disappears.
- 2 years later -
FFX-2 - Shuyin is defeated, Tidus's pyreflies are brought back together.
????????
FFX-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~ - Tidus is killed and resurrected, the sex-fayth method is introduced, Farplane is disturbed.
-???????
FFX -Will- - Dead are being "called back" to Spira, Sin returns, Chuami and Kurugum are introduced.

That's roughly the timeline as of now. I'll update a thread with an official timeline if viewer will requests it.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: dez112 on January 02, 2014, 12:21:10 pm
@Internal Medicine Doctor

Ah I see, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for clarification!  :)

Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: stathicus on January 02, 2014, 01:39:00 pm
Nope, you're right. The sequence of events goes

FFX
FFX-2
FFX-2 Last Mission
FFX-2.5
FFX-Will (Audio Drama)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 04, 2014, 05:21:12 am
Sigh... I'll translate everything on that page later tonight. It's about 8:20 here in Japan, should be ready by a little after midnight. If you have any other scans, it might help.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 04, 2014, 07:56:37 am
Sorry for the double post. It is extremely hard to read the text on that page.

The translation seems well done, except for the very last part which was(If I am reading correctly, meaning I'm reading the right Kanji).

It's not "The source of Yuna's shock", but rather... even scarier.

"The thing which went flying towards her, was the head of Tidus, with the look of shock still affixed to it".

"飛んで行ったのは驚きの表情が張り付いたティーダの首だった。

飛んで行ったのは=The thing that went flying.
驚きの表情=Look/Expression of shock/surprise
張り付く=paste/fixed onto
ティーダの首だった=was Tidus' neck/head


Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: dez112 on January 04, 2014, 10:54:32 am
So is the novel all in text?

How would you guys rate the novel out of 10?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Zanark on January 04, 2014, 02:15:14 pm
I wonder if anyone got any further scans of that Novel?

I was searching for information on the novel, and I came across this page : http://gameimpression.doorblog.jp/archives/35272379.html
One user posted a few scans depicting an ecchi scene between Tidus and Yuna, but its all in japanese. Maybe someone can translate it?

Edit: I think these were the scans that were lost
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 04, 2014, 09:19:24 pm
I wonder if anyone got any further scans of that Novel?

I was searching for information on the novel, and I came across this page : http://gameimpression.doorblog.jp/archives/35272379.html
One user posted a few scans depicting an ecchi scene between Tidus and Yuna, but its all in japanese. Maybe someone can translate it?

Edit: I think these were the scans that were lost


Ahh, yes! I'm so lucky to have such a helpful support system here. I'll put those up on the novella page immediately. Thank you very much!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 04, 2014, 10:10:24 pm
http://www.p4rgaming.com/square-enix-accidentally-publishes-fanfiction-for-the-final-fantasy-x-2-5-novel/

I don't know how to feel about this....
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 04, 2014, 10:10:57 pm
http://www.p4rgaming.com/square-enix-accidentally-publishes-fanfiction-for-the-final-fantasy-x-2-5-novel/

I don't know know how to feel about this....


Simply a parody and satire site, my friend. Nothing to be concerned about.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 04, 2014, 10:23:09 pm
Unfortunately my laptop is out of action for now and I have been forced to used my smart phone to sign up and join this group but I have done so because I must thank you for starting this group... ffx is by far my favourite final fantasy of all and when I watched the English audio drama it honestly got me excited for a possible final fantasy x-3 but after hearing about the novella and how it has been written.....my excitement has went down very much....
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: moonstone on January 04, 2014, 11:57:26 pm
Nope, you're right. The sequence of events goes
FFX
FFX-2
FFX-2 Last Mission
FFX-2.5
FFX-Will (Audio Drama)

How long after X-2 does the novella x-2.5 take place?
I've been reading different things, some say it happens 2 days after X-2, others say 3 months and some say 6 months.....

If it happens after 2 days or even 3 months then that would mean that last mission is not canon since it wouldn't fit in the time line ( Last Mission  (http://youtu.be/x3t50HXyCe8?t=1m57s) seems to happen 3 months after X-2) or this story really will be just a spin off....
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 05, 2014, 01:58:20 am
I translated the right page for you guys(The one of the supposed ecchi scene)!

The story seems to be in  a different place? They are on some sort of Island. I haven't read any info on this Novella, just translating, so sorry if I'm not too up to date.

Sorry to disappoint, but... there is no ECCHI that takes place on the first of the two pages you posted.

Quote
The two of them held a strategy meeting in the shade of a waterfall on the road.
They tried to prioritize and fully grasp the whole situation.

They discussed what they would do if they met the inhabitants of this island

Tidus: "In any case, the first thing is to show that we mean no harm(hostility). In the case that the other party shows hostility, (can't see the kanji),  and they don't understand us, RUN! If we get split up, meet back up at the waterfall entrance.

Tidus:Well... that's the plan anyways.

Yuna: Sure thing!

Tidus or Yuna(not sure who): "The stone statue kind of interests me, so if you find it, check it out!"

Yuna: "I mean... it's not like this place should be uninhabited, right? I hope they are nice."

Tidus: "I know, right! Although... even if they were hostile, they would probably forfeit once they got a look at you"

Yuna: "Huh? Why?"

Tidus: "Come on..."

Tidus pointed to her chest, her all black bathing suit was split into upper and lower parts.

Tidus: "I ... get excited. I tried to get used to it, but... I still get fired up even with an accidental glance."

Tidus: "And... I sometimes think of you... THAT way. But... I want you to forgive me. I mean, I told you the truth, so you gotta forgive me!"
The last line on the page is illegible due to picture quality.



Hope you guys enjoyed. I will get to the other page soon. I took a quick glance, and didn't see anything about sex...
The ecchi part came from what Tidus said in Japanese "Ecchi na Me de Micchau(エッチな目で見っちゃう).
He is just saying he sees her sexually sometimes.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 05, 2014, 04:50:10 am
Thanks for the translation KaminaSan!  ;D Also surely you jest Tidus, I'm curious as to what Yuna is going to respond to his remark.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: stathicus on January 05, 2014, 09:53:45 am
Thanks for translating KaminaSan!

Moonstone, this is just speculation because I don't think the novel gives a specific date or time frame it takes place in but, I believe if FFX-2.5 is cannon it takes place sometime after 3 months. The FFX timeline on the FF wiki and other comments I have read have listed FFX-2.5 taking place after Last Mission. It is known that the audio drama takes place 1 year after X-2 and Last Mission takes place 3 months after X-2. Considering how the events in X-2.5 seems to be closely related to the audio drama it makes the most sense for X-2.5 to take place 3+ months after X-2. 
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 05, 2014, 01:29:47 pm
I'm very interested in this and would love to contribute as much as I can, but I have a few questions...

The set up of these speculations is really confusing to me. The A-Plot/B-Plot and how exactly they come into play aren't necessarily clear and I thiiiink I might understand the theories? But again, not very clear. The way it's all written in the OP, is it supposed to be in order? Sorry for all the confusion, I just have a hard time understanding how this is all written up there. But I would very much LOVE to understand :0 thank you all for your hard work in this thread, by the way!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: dez112 on January 05, 2014, 02:48:42 pm
@Kamina San - Thanks for the translation!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: moonstone on January 05, 2014, 03:41:55 pm
@ KaminaSan - Thanks for the translation!

Moonstone, this is just speculation because I don't think the novel gives a specific date or time frame it takes place in but, I believe if FFX-2.5 is cannon it takes place sometime after 3 months. The FFX timeline on the FF wiki and other comments I have read have listed FFX-2.5 taking place after Last Mission. It is known that the audio drama takes place 1 year after X-2 and Last Mission takes place 3 months after X-2. Considering how the events in X-2.5 seems to be closely related to the audio drama it makes the most sense for X-2.5 to take place 3+ months after X-2. 

Although I only understand a little bit of Japanese, I've been reading a few Japanese reviews/summaries and mostly all seem to say the same things that have already been said here, about Tidus and Yuna going to an island that looks similar to Besaid (more like they landed there after their ship got wreck, I'm assuming from a storm), him trying to kiss her, him dying by a bomb that looked like a blitzabal and decapitated head, and him being brought back through the use of pyreflies.

I find it odd though that those who include a timeline or mention of when this is taking place, they seem to put this between X-2 and the 100% ending.
Like this person (https://twitter.com/koroki_edm/status/419640379067994112)
This other person (http://blog.livedoor.jp/xenoring/archives/35315834.html) also mentions that the events take place 2-3 days after their reunion (from X-2). Later on I think they mention their speculation that the end of this novel (when it is fully completed) will somehow connect with the 100% ending of X-2....
Some other things this person also mentions is that the story seems to be told in the point of view/perspective of several characters, such as Yuna, Tidus, Wakka, and the new character (the unsent).
 
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 05, 2014, 04:11:07 pm
I'm very interested in this and would love to contribute as much as I can, but I have a few questions...

The set up of these speculations is really confusing to me. The A-Plot/B-Plot and how exactly they come into play aren't necessarily clear and I thiiiink I might understand the theories? But again, not very clear. The way it's all written in the OP, is it supposed to be in order? Sorry for all the confusion, I just have a hard time understanding how this is all written up there. But I would very much LOVE to understand :0 thank you all for your hard work in this thread, by the way!

I'm terribly sorry if the formatting of the Original Post is hard to follow. I do my best to make it as concise as possible while still retaining pertinent information, but if you fellas find it confusing I'd be more than happy to make it easier to understand.

The theories are only concerning the way in which Yuna brings Tidus back, since earlier when the information was first released the nature of his resurrection was very ambiguous. Those theories are the unsent theory and the fayth theory, which respectively are Yuna bringing back Tidus with pyreflies and Yuna turning him into a fayth to summon.
Every day, more and more information points towards the unsent theory being the more likely explanation, so I think I may take the fayth theory down soon. However, the true nature of his revival is still unknown to us.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 05, 2014, 05:57:16 pm
@Internal Medicine Doctor (it won't let me quote :0) - I would love it if you could clear it up, if it's not too much trouble?  :-\ so sorry if it's inconvenient!

I really appreciate those theories, thank you so much for explaining! It really always was pretty vague how Tidus came back. Hopefully things will become clearer. I do know someone who is fluent in Japanese, both the writing, language, and culture. I can get a hold of him to see if he can take a look at those scans! If there are any other scans, that would help too :) I'll get back to you guys in this thread
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 05, 2014, 08:11:04 pm
Alright guys... I translated the other page for you all! Well, all but the last sentence....due to the page being `scanned` by a digital camera from what must be 1999.

Here we go! It starts in the middle of a sentence from Tidus I think.

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Tidus: "If the sunlight gets to be too much, we'll get all red, and it's over. We also don't have the Sphere (         ) so... it'd probably just end up badly(problematic)."

Yuna: "Yeah, that would be a disaster, let's find some shade."

Tidus: "I`m trying to get to the shade... but someone ::) is being un-cooperative."

Yuna: Hehe...

Yuna: "It's not bad though..." 
Yuna said as she smiled and caressed her shoulders.

Tidus: "It hurts..."
Tidus: "It hurts, cause I'm alive..."

Tidus: "But we may as well confirm it with something that doesn't hurt!"
Tidus said while bringing his face closer.
Yuna pulled back without thinking.

Yuna:"Wait..."

Tidus: "Come on... we were spared, let's atleast share the joy."

Tidus moved his pouting lips closer.

Yuna pushed away his face while laughing.

Yuna: "Someone could be looking! Look, for example, that orange(), it's just like Besaid!"

You could tell Tidus lost a bit of energy.

Looking around, they checked their surroundings again.

Tidus: "You're right... it's like the Aurochs are gonna come running from over there."
Tidus said while pointing toward the entrance to the road.

Tidus/Yuna: "But something is different... something that should be here... isn't".

Last sentence is mostly illegible. My coworker tried reading it too, but he cannot make out a few words. We only got something about a ship on a shore...

So: Yuna denied a kiss from Tidus, but in a playful manner. It seems like she is kind of avoiding intimacy?


Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 05, 2014, 08:25:58 pm
@Internal Medicine Doctor (it won't let me quote :0) - I would love it if you could clear it up, if it's not too much trouble?  :-\ so sorry if it's inconvenient!

I really appreciate those theories, thank you so much for explaining! It really always was pretty vague how Tidus came back. Hopefully things will become clearer. I do know someone who is fluent in Japanese, both the writing, language, and culture. I can get a hold of him to see if he can take a look at those scans! If there are any other scans, that would help too :) I'll get back to you guys in this thread

Alright, did the best I could! Hopefully it's a bit more understandable and user friendly interface-wise. Thanks for your input.

Alright guys... I translated the other page for you all! Well, all but the last sentence....due to the page being `scanned` by a digital camera from what must be 1999.

Here we go! It starts in the middle of a sentence from Tidus I think.

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Tidus: "If the sunlight gets to be too much, we'll get all red, and it's over. We also don't have the Sphere (         ) so... it'd probably just end up badly(problematic)."

Yuna: "Yeah, that would be a disaster, let's find some shade."

Tidus: "I`m trying to get to the shade... but someone ::) is being un-cooperative."

Yuna: Hehe...

Yuna: "It's not bad though..." 
Yuna said as she smiled and caressed her shoulders.

Tidus: "It hurts..."
Tidus: "It hurts, cause I'm alive..."

Tidus: "But we may as well confirm it with something that doesn't hurt!"
Tidus said while bringing his face closer.
Yuna pulled back without thinking.

Yuna:"Wait..."

Tidus: "Come on... we were spared, let's atleast share the joy."

Tidus moved his pouting lips closer.

Yuna pushed away his face while laughing.

Yuna: "Someone could be looking! Look, for example, that orange(), it's just like Besaid!"

You could tell Tidus lost a bit of energy.

Looking around, they checked their surroundings again.

Tidus: "You're right... it's like the Aurochs are gonna come running from over there."
Tidus said while pointing toward the entrance to the road.

Tidus/Yuna: "But something is different... something that should be here... isn't".

Last sentence is mostly illegible. My coworker tried reading it too, but he cannot make out a few words. We only got something about a ship on a shore...

So: Yuna denied a kiss from Tidus, but in a playful manner. It seems like she is kind of avoiding intimacy?





You have been invaluable in giving us the opportunity to provide top-notch information to everyone. I want to thank you again! You've been a great help!

I believe she's avoiding intimacy as well, but for what reason, I'm not sure.
Perhaps it's specified in an internal thought or exposition at the beginning of the novella? I wonder.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 05, 2014, 09:19:44 pm
No problem!
Please remember two things with my translations, or any translation:
1.)Japanese is an EXTREMELY vague language. We usually leave out Pronuncs etc, and that can sometimes cause confusion. Even in everyday talk, you will hear people ask 'Who?' just to clarify.

2.)I am not a professional translator. Neither are the people who sub your Anime. I sometimes have good laughs while watching subbed anime and seeing things like "Do the impossible and kick reason to the curb" when they never mentioned the word curb at all. We take liberties to make it sound... well, like English.


If I translate literally/word for word, it will make absolutely NO sense in english. Like what Tidus said during the Swimsuit scene, I tried to make it more in tune with the English Voice actors speaking mannerisms.
If I translated that scene word for word, it would be "I get sound of heart beating. I planned to get used to seeing it, but even with a sudden moment I get sound of shocked". 

Japanese uses these onomatopeia(spelling is probably wrong) , and expects us to connect them with feeling, or imagery rather than just a word.

So... yeah. I have been in Japan here for almost 2 years now, and I'm pretty confident in my Japanese, but remember, little things are lost in translation, or made better.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: stathicus on January 05, 2014, 10:02:27 pm
Man, just reading these tiny translated excerpts is really helpful. For example, in the blitzball scene it doesn't sound like Tidus just saw what he thought was a blitzball, ran up to it and kicked it like an idiot, he either hit it by accident or it fell from somewhere and hit him which caused the bomb to detonate. Then in this scene where Tidus tried to kiss her, Yuna doesn't act as cold as I thought, she playfully rejects him which I think is more like her character than being a bitchy ice queen. I hope someone posts a full translation or even a detailed plot summary soon though.     
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 05, 2014, 10:03:11 pm
No problem!
Please remember two things with my translations, or any translation:
1.)Japanese is an EXTREMELY vague language. We usually leave out Pronuncs etc, and that can sometimes cause confusion. Even in everyday talk, you will hear people ask 'Who?' just to clarify.

2.)I am not a professional translator. Neither are the people who sub your Anime. I sometimes have good laughs while watching subbed anime and seeing things like "Do the impossible and kick reason to the curb" when they never mentioned the word curb at all. We take liberties to make it sound... well, like English.


If I translate literally/word for word, it will make absolutely NO sense in english. Like what Tidus said during the Swimsuit scene, I tried to make it more in tune with the English Voice actors speaking mannerisms.
If I translated that scene word for word, it would be "I get sound of heart beating. I planned to get used to seeing it, but even with a sudden moment I get sound of shocked". 

Japanese uses these onomatopeia(spelling is probably wrong) , and expects us to connect them with feeling, or imagery rather than just a word.

So... yeah. I have been in Japan here for almost 2 years now, and I'm pretty confident in my Japanese, but remember, little things are lost in translation, or made better.

Of course. The liberties of the Japanese language are quite fiddlesome, taken upon who is the one interpreting and translating it.

I'm just glad we have somebody who understands even the slightest bit of Japanese writing! Since I am absolutely dumb on my luck when it comes to understanding the individual characters, all I can do is explain the context of the language to others. Having someone who understands both makes me overjoyed and extremely grateful.
I appreciate you clarifying that, as well. Official translations often vary, and it's good for people to know that languages are never cipherable.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 05, 2014, 10:06:01 pm
Man, just reading these tiny translated excerpts is really helpful. For example, in the blitzball scene it doesn't sound like Tidus just saw what he thought was a blitzball, ran up to it and kicked it like an idiot, he either hit it by accident or it fell from somewhere and hit him which caused the bomb to detonate. Then in this scene where Tidus tried to kiss her, Yuna doesn't act as cold as I thought, she playfully rejects him which I think is more like her character than being a bitchy ice queen. I hope someone posts a full translation or even a detailed plot summary soon though.   

As soon as we locate and obtain a few more page scans, I'll be sure to update the summary with more detailed information.

As things stand, though, this is quite literally the ultimate symposium of available information concerning FFX-2.5 on the internet.
We have to wait for new information instead of searching and translating old, now.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 05, 2014, 10:49:41 pm
I am able to confirm something under the Theory/Unconfirmed section.

I was looking around for a script of the Voice Drama, and came across this lovely review from someone who read the book.

He/She said, when talking about the nature of the island, and how all things can be summoned from pyreflies to create lifelike things(not limited to just living creatures)
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ティーダもその原理で復活したと言いたいようだ、そして、ティーダ自身がこの事を自覚すると消えてしまうらしい。

Translation: "It seems that they were trying to say Tidus was revived using those principles, and if he himself becomes aware of how he was brought back, he will disappear."

So it is confirmed if he learns about his true(current existence), he will go bye bye.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 06, 2014, 12:25:57 am
Man, this just gets more and more interesting.

Also, am I the only one who finds all this kind of eerie? It's like... finally the missing pieces are slowly being found to put them all together, but we have to go through characters' heads exploding and who knows what else.

....I love the creepiness tbh
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Grellotine on January 06, 2014, 06:10:30 am
Man, this just gets more and more interesting.

Also, am I the only one who finds all this kind of eerie? It's like... finally the missing pieces are slowly being found to put them all together, but we have to go through characters' heads exploding and who knows what else.

....I love the creepiness tbh
I feel that all of this is extremely eerie. It kind of disturbed me a bit.
Someone above me posted a link to SQ saying they (by mistake) published a fanfic rather than the actual manuscript.
 To the people who read that article, did anyone else feel like the writer was impressed and tempted by the novel? It was like he wanted to incorporate elements from it into his work. I don't know, something feels off about it.

I'm a bit of a noob, so is it possible the theories and speculations in this topic could actually make it into a game? If that happened it would be the darkest game I've seen from Enix.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 06, 2014, 02:08:18 pm
So... the sex fayth method is legitimate?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 06, 2014, 03:12:27 pm
So... the sex fayth method is legitimate?

It is legitimate. To what extent is unknown, but it is a usable method concerning fayth creation referencing the Boy's Side of the novella.

I am able to confirm something under the Theory/Unconfirmed section.

I was looking around for a script of the Voice Drama, and came across this lovely review from someone who read the book.

He/She said, when talking about the nature of the island, and how all things can be summoned from pyreflies to create lifelike things(not limited to just living creatures)
Quote
ティーダもその原理で復活したと言いたいようだ、そして、ティーダ自身がこの事を自覚すると消えてしまうらしい。

Translation: "It seems that they were trying to say Tidus was revived using those principles, and if he himself becomes aware of how he was brought back, he will disappear."

So it is confirmed if he learns about his true(current existence), he will go bye bye.

I will add this under the summary and official merged detail section. Much thanks!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 06, 2014, 05:22:13 pm
I hope we learn more about the island and this 1000 year old unsent who yuna encounters after tidus death i feel this unsent has a big part to play in what has been going on i would like to know everything he told yuna and why he was on the island did he tell her how she could bring tidus back or was she able to do this herself without being told? apologies if i am missing something im trying to get as much info from the novella as i can :)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 06, 2014, 10:43:45 pm
You're quite alright! Yes, I'm very intrigued as to the nature of this millennium old unsent as well.

Just who is he?
And what purpose did he really play?

I wonder.

He must make an appearance in the third game if it comes.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 07, 2014, 12:17:16 am
Just a bit of news for everyone here. I purchased the novel off of Rakuten.
It can usually take some time for it to get here, even being in Japan, but you better believe, as soon as it gets here, the 1000 year old summoner page will be translated, abd I will try and clear up this sex-fayth and cold-hearted Yuna rumors(true or false).

Until then, please keep posting any untranslated or 'shadily' translated things you might find, and I will see what I can do!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 07, 2014, 12:27:14 am
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Just a bit of news for everyone here. I purchased the novel off of Rakuten.
It can usually take some time for it to get here, even being in Japan, but you better believe, as soon as it gets here, the 1000 year old summoner page will be translated, abd I will try and clear up this sex-fayth and cold-hearted Yuna rumors(true or false).

Until then, please keep posting any untranslated or 'shadily' translated things you might find, and I will see what I can do!

AMAZING!!! I was looking into ordering it as well, but money's kind of tight for me at the moment. Thank you for your willingness to help! Much appreciated :)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 07, 2014, 07:29:04 am
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as soon as it gets here, the 1000 year old summoner page will be translated, abd I will try and clear up this sex-fayth and cold-hearted Yuna rumors(true or false).

Awesome! I feel anxious though. Your translations can either make me or break me :'( Nevertheless, I'll be looking forward to it :D
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 07, 2014, 01:01:41 pm
Just a bit of news for everyone here. I purchased the novel off of Rakuten.
It can usually take some time for it to get here, even being in Japan, but you better believe, as soon as it gets here, the 1000 year old summoner page will be translated, abd I will try and clear up this sex-fayth and cold-hearted Yuna rumors(true or false).

Until then, please keep posting any untranslated or 'shadily' translated things you might find, and I will see what I can do!

Awesome! thanks KaminaSan :)

(Yuna's attitude towards Tidus on the island is cold and harsh, viewing him as childish and immature)

Im hoping this isnt true.....I couldn't picture yuna being cold and harsh to tidus after everything shes done to be with him especially after FFX-2 Last Mission when yuna told rikku and paine how happy she was with tidus back and living with him it just sounds so out of character....yuna rejected a kiss from tidus i assumed it was because she was annoyed/angry at him because of what i heard but after reading the translated pages it seems she rejected him in a playful way which to me sounds more like her character also i heard when tidus kicked the blitzball (bomb) it was out of anger from a fight him and yuna had but after reading the translated pages it doesnt seem that way at all to me....i could understand yuna being cold and sad around tidus AFTER his death and resurrection but i would like to think she was happy and cheerful with him through out the novella until his death
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 07, 2014, 01:52:05 pm
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Im hoping this isnt true.....I couldn't picture yuna being cold and harsh to tidus after everything shes done to be with him

I agree with this so much. And she knows him surely you jest I mean she journeyed with him. She knows how Tidus is, and she fell in love with it. This has to be a huge misunderstanding, and it comforts me knowing that that's very possible.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 07, 2014, 02:27:29 pm
See this is why rumors and hearsay are bad...

1.) Tidus didn't kick the blitzball/bomb. It hit him in the back of the head, which seemed to activate it. Then he stepped forward and it blew his head off. Which is why his blown off head still has the look of surprise on his face.

No fight on that page, just playful banter, and no ball kicking.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 07, 2014, 02:33:39 pm
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Im hoping this isnt true.....I couldn't picture yuna being cold and harsh to tidus after everything shes done to be with him

I agree with this so much. And she knows him surely you jest I mean she journeyed with him. She knows how Tidus is, and she fell in love with it. This has to be a huge misunderstanding, and it comforts me knowing that that's very possible.

I know right!! it just wouldn't make sense for yuna to be cold and distant to tidus UNTIL she brings him back to life hopefully the whole fightning and not being happy with each other is a big mistranslation in the story the translated pages posted recently have definitely given me hope that its not true although i wish i could say the same about tidus death....it just doesnt sound like something from FF to me....personally i think tidus death should have came from him saving/protecting her (like a true guardian) from something on the island i can understand trying to go with a dark story but head blown off by a bomb and landing next to the woman you love....CMON! i can see why the novella is getting such bad reviews hopefully IF FFX-3 does happen they make some serious alterations to his death
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 07, 2014, 02:42:54 pm
See this is why rumors and hearsay are bad...

1.) Tidus didn't kick the blitzball/bomb. It hit him in the back of the head, which seemed to activate it. Then he stepped forward and it blew his head off. Which is why his blown off head still has the look of surprise on his face.

No fight on that page, just playful banter, and no ball kicking.

Right you are KaminaSan I try not to take rumors and hearsays seriously until i have been given proof but you never know...again thank you for sharing your translated pages they have been a big help trying to learn and uncovering the true story :)

You also bring up an interesting subject that has not crossed my mind until now....Tidus DIDNT find the bomb it hit him on the back of the head and it went off before he could get close enough to touch it let alone kick it so how did the ball end up landing on his head? o_O unsent cant touch stuff righhhhhhhht??? surely you jest   
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 07, 2014, 02:57:26 pm
Just a bit of news for everyone here. I purchased the novel off of Rakuten.
It can usually take some time for it to get here, even being in Japan, but you better believe, as soon as it gets here, the 1000 year old summoner page will be translated, abd I will try and clear up this sex-fayth and cold-hearted Yuna rumors(true or false).

Until then, please keep posting any untranslated or 'shadily' translated things you might find, and I will see what I can do!

Outstanding! With the actual novella, we can put sense to this nonsense once and for all.

Thank you very much, KaminaSan! Your contributions have been paramount in discerning the ambiguity that surrounds this novella, and as such your presence is extremely appreciated. Therefore,

I'd like everyone to know that KaminaSan has the official title of Translator for these boards.

So, if you have any questions or inquiries concerning the translations that remain published on this site, please feel free to ask KaminaSan.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 07, 2014, 05:46:10 pm
Hey, I figured I'd jump in and let you guys know, I'll be translating the whole novel as best I can at thelifestream.net. I've been working my way through another of Kazushige Nojima's books, FFVII: Turks - The Kids Are Alright, and have previously retranslated novellas in his On The Way To A Smile series. Im still waiting for the book to arrive.

You can check out the current project here.
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9715&page=19

Im still pretty new to this, so may need some help. :P
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 07, 2014, 05:51:26 pm
Hey, I figured I'd jump in and let you guys know, I'll be translating the whole novel as best I can at thelifestream.net. I've been working my way through another of Kazushige Nojima's books, FFVII: Turks - The Kids Are Alright, and have previously retranslated novellas in his On The Way To A Smile series. Im still waiting for the book to arrive.

You can check out the current project here.
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9715&page=19

Im still pretty new to this, so may need some help. :P

Hey there! That's mighty nice of you to let us know of your services. If you'd like to stick around, I can give you the Translator status and you and KaminaSan can bounce off each-other on the accuracy of the translations.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 07, 2014, 05:59:46 pm
Well, I dont really want translator status. Ill just be doing it in a thread over there. I just figured I'd let you know. Im not confident enough about my translations present them as fact without being checked. :P
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 07, 2014, 06:24:56 pm
Well, I dont really want translator status. Ill just be doing it in a thread over there. I just figured I'd let you know. Im not confident enough about my translations present them as fact without being checked. :P

That's perfectly fine. The option shall always be open, however. KaminaSan, our resident translator, is also buying the book, so I assumed you two could work through the translations together or at least at the assistance and confirmation of each other.

I'm not knowledgeable in the content character of the language, however. Feel free to do whatever you want.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 07, 2014, 07:49:08 pm
Aww man, I got all excited when I started reading Pixel's post. I thought the novel was already in.

I looked at some of your translations and you seem to have a good sense of the language. A little 'word for word' but maybe that's what we need. You probably have more actual translating experience than I do, so help would of course be appreciated if you have time.

Either way, two people with the novel will make this a breeze.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 07, 2014, 08:19:15 pm
Haha, yeah, I've been trying to interpret the sentences in my own words, but you find yourself writing word for word. Especially longer sentences. I find myself just trying to get all of the information in.

When I was translating OTWTAS, I was translating from German, which is pretty similar to english in its phrasing and sentence structure, so it was alot easier to rewrite and fix things up.

Im working my way through, fixing things up, after doing my first pass of the chapters.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 07, 2014, 09:46:22 pm
Alright guys, there seems to be a lot of confusion about the death scene, and I found some more errors upon re-reading so I am going to translate it, and write the Japanese underneath.

Also as a bonus, the last two sentences in the image on the left side... I can finally make it out. You guys are gonna hate me for including it though.

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T: "You were giggling"
Y:"Not telllliinnng!"
T: "Yunaaaa!"
Tidus said in a pitiful voice! It was funny... and so endearing that Yuna ate it up.
T:"Ouch!"
When she looked, Tidus was holding the back of his head.
T:"What the..."
Tidus turned around, surprised.
What caught his eye was a slowly rolling ball.
It was the color of tanned leather... about the same size as one used in blitzball matches.
Tidus:"A blitzball?!"
While looking for the owner, Tidus began to walk towards the ball.
Yuna watched.
One Step.-----
Yuna was surprised by the tears that suddenly began flowing from her eyes.
She sunk to the ground, holding herself with both arms, she realized... she was being overcome with sadness.
There was a loud sound, and the force of the shock sent her flying through the air.
In front of Yuna's eyes, something went flying with great force; Tidus' head, with the look of surprise still etched onto it.
Yuna lost consciousness.

Far left two sentences:
"Remember him. His name... was Tidus, correct?"
"An unknown voice called to Yuna"

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T:くすくす笑った
Y:内緒!
T:ゆうなあ!
ティーダが情けない声を出した。おかしくて、愛しくてたまらない
T:イッテっー
みるとティーダが後頭部を押さえていた
T:えっー
振り返ったティーダが驚く。その視線の先にはゆっくりと転がるボールがあった。
なめした革のそのままの色で大きさはブリッツ試合球とほぼ同じだ。
T:ブリッツボール?!
ティーダは持ち主を探しながらボールに向かって歩き出す
後一歩ーーーーーー
その様子を見たユウナは自分の目から突然こぼれた涙に驚いた感情が大きく播さぶられて、立っていられない
しゃがみ込んで自分の両腕を抱えた時それが耐え難い悲しみだと気がついた。
大きな音がして同時に衝撃に吹き飛ばされて宙を舞っていた
勢いよく飛んでいったのは驚きの表情が張り付いたティーダの首だった。

Once again:
No 'kicking the ball because they had a fight'
Tidus was hit with a ball, that's why he says ouch.
The tone in which Yuna addresses him is playful and lovey dovey. NOT cold or extremely standoffish.

Pixel, please look at the Japanese, and tell me if there is anything you would change.
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Post by: catnip on January 07, 2014, 11:28:27 pm
Gahhh, THANK YOUU!!! :-*
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Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 08, 2014, 03:18:59 am
So Tidus didn't act like an idiot and kick a suspicious looking blitzball? He just acted like the curious person he was?

...Dammit! Now half of the Headless Tidus joke is worthless! But at the same time... I'm relieved. Thanks, KaminaSan. You made a girl who has a vomiting bug today feel a little bit better.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 08, 2014, 09:05:04 am
Was looking at this last night, but fell asleep
ティーダが情けない声を出した。おかしくて、愛しくてたまらない
Something like.
Tidus spoke in a pitiful voice. It was funny, and so endearing, it was irresistable.

I guess it means he couldn't help it.


振り返ったティーダが驚く。その視線の先にはゆっくりと転がるボールがあった。
Tidus looked around in surprise. A ball rolled slowly past his line of sight.


ティーダは持ち主を探しながらボールに向かって歩き出す
Tidus started walking toward the ball, looking for it's owner.


後一歩ーーーーーー
After one step-------


その様子を見たユウナは自分の目から突然こぼれた涙に驚いた感情が大きく播さぶられて、立っていられない
There's a bit missing at the end here
Yuna was surprised by the tears that suddenly began flowing from her eyes SOMETHING, and couldn't stand.


しゃがみ込んで自分の両腕を抱えた時それが耐え難い悲しみだと気がついた。
As she crouched on the ground,  holding herself with both arms, she was overcome with unbearable sadness.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 08, 2014, 09:22:47 am
(http://i.imgur.com/6fGMgjw.gif)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 08, 2014, 12:26:26 pm
Who transcribed this? Sorry, I was just checking it, since I was just translating from the page. Its not complete, it as commas an word missing, exclamation marks added. Names changed from Hirigana to Katakana. Im just gonna work from the book when it comes.

This is
ティーダが、情けない声を出した。おかしくて、愛おしくてたまらない。
Tidus spoke in a pitiful voice. It was funny, and unbearably adorable.

お was left out of the last part
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 08, 2014, 02:15:54 pm
Far left two sentences:
"Remember him. His name... was Tidus, correct?"
"An unknown voice called to Yuna"


At least now we know the first words the mysterious unsent says to yuna :D

Thanks for the translation KaminaSan
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Post by: city on January 08, 2014, 03:12:49 pm
Hey 1st post!  I am so excited that there is going to be a proper translation done!  I really want this sex-fayth thing cleared up. I refuse to believe that such a thing would even exist in the Final Fantasy universe, and I think it's a bad translation or something.  Sex has never, ever been a part of a FF game, let alone a PLOT POINT! 
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Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 08, 2014, 03:14:12 pm
Hey 1st post!  I am so excited that there is going to be a proper translation done!  I really want this sex-fayth thing cleared up. I refuse to believe that such a thing would even exist in the Final Fantasy universe, and I think it's a bad translation or something.  Sex has never, ever been a part of a FF game, let alone a PLOT POINT!

To be blatant,
conspicuous material can exist outside of the main games. This is a novella, after all. They have wider parameters they can work with.

Not only, but in FFVI it was implied Cloud slept with Tifa. Sex isn't an abnormal thing, it's just not an explicitly integral one.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 08, 2014, 04:02:09 pm
Heres a second pass at the translation. Im not sure what ぶられて is. Im kinda guessing at the meaning of the sentence 驚きの表情が張り付いたティーダの首だった。
播 = to plant or to sow. I figured that could mean bury


T:くすくす笑った
"You giggled."

Y:内緒
"Its a secret."

T:ユウナカ
"Yunaaaa"

ティーダが、情けない声を出した。おかしくて、愛おしくてたまらない。
Tidus spoke in a pitiful voice. It was funny, and unbearably adorable.

T:いてっ!
"Ouch!"

見ると、ティーダは後頭部を押さえていた
When she looked, Tidus was holding the back of his head.

T:えっ?
Huh?

振り返ったティーダが驚く。その視線の先には、ゆっくりと転がるボールがあった。なめした革のそのままの色で、大きさはブリッツの試合球とほぼ同じだ。
Tidus looked around in surprise. Before his eyes, there was a ball, rolling slowly. It was the colour of tanned leather,about the same size they use in blitzball matches.

T:ブリッツボール!?
"A Blitzball!?"

ティーダは持ち主を探しながら、ボールに向かって歩き出す。あと一歩---- その様子を見ていたユウナは、自分の目から突然こぼれた涙に驚いた。感情が大きく播さぶられて、立っていられない。しゃがみ込んで自分の両腕を抱えた時、それが耐えがたい悲しみだと気がついた。
Tidus started walking toward the ball, looking for it's owner. After one step... As Yuna watched the situation, she was surprised by the tears that suddenly started welling up. Deep feelings she had buried were shaken, and she couldn't stand. As she crouched on the ground, holding herself with both arms, she was overcome with unbearable sadness.

大きな音がしたと同時に、ユウナは激しい衝撃に吹き飛ばされて宙を舞っていた。目の前を勢いよく飛んで行ったのは、驚きの表情が張り付いたティーダの首だった。
Just then, there was a huge sound. Yuna was blown back by a violent explosion, thrown, spinning through the air. Something flew in front of her eyes. It was Tidus' head, fixed in an expression of surprise.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 08, 2014, 04:55:53 pm
Apologies, I had transcribed it, all on my Iphone screen, so there are more than likely little things I missed like commas.
As far as 愛しい and 愛おしい,I was told they derived from the same word, and mean the same thing in essence, but only 国語の先生 would actually know the difference.

It seems are translations are almost word for word the same though so that's reassuring.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 08, 2014, 05:05:13 pm
I think this sentence 驚きの表情が張り付いたティーダの首だった。 changes things. When I read it before, I thought Yuna started crying because she saw the bomb. But it was that she realised she still has feelings for him. And at that moment, he is killed.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 08, 2014, 05:13:54 pm
I think this sentence 驚きの表情が張り付いたティーダの首だった。 changes things. When I read it before, I thought Yuna started crying because she saw the bomb. But it was that she realised she still has feelings for him. And at that moment, he is killed.

Is this to imply she didn't have the same feelings beforehand, or it is just as good my guess as is yours?
I realized the structure of the writing led to her inherent breakdown as caused by something separate from his death.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 08, 2014, 05:37:06 pm
Well, are they together at this point? I still haven't read it.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 08, 2014, 05:42:58 pm
I'm a little lost as to the 'realized she still has feelings' idea's origin.

I would imagine even if she had no feelings, seeing her lover blown to bits in front of her after thinking how adorable he is...would cause anyone to break down. Where are you getting that 'things changed' feeling? If this was after he was killed I could understand, but before he is killed she has no reason to lose all her feelings for him right?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 08, 2014, 05:53:50 pm
But didnt they break up? She would bury her feelings. Then seeing him acting as adorably as she remembered him, she is surprised, and wells up. Then BOOM He's gone

I'll reserve judgement until I read what comes before that
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Post by: Akuwah on January 08, 2014, 05:56:44 pm
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But didnt they break up? She would bury her feelings.

I don't think so, at least not in the novella, unless I'm missing something here.

But in the audio drama, at one point Yuna did break up with Tidus...
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 08, 2014, 05:59:37 pm
Ugh, it makes no sense for them to break up  after everything :(

I can live with a lot of the crap they seem to be throwing at us lately - like, I can learn to accept it even though I don't like it, but I am not here for some teen relationship on again/off again/jealousy drama. Especially between Yuna and Tidus.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 08, 2014, 06:00:06 pm
There hasn't been any indication previously that they weren't together. However, it can be inferred that she had been unsure of her feelings towards him and until this moment had been cautiously trying to find that love again.

It's said the trip was taken on the behest of Yuna, and that can be seen as her striving to spend some time alone with him in order to rekindle those past feelings towards him.

Not to say they weren't still a couple beforehand,
but instead that she wasn't sure where her feelings were concerning him and that this trip was her way of attempting to reawaken those emotions.
then BOOM, he's gone.


Nojima plays hardball.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 08, 2014, 06:04:10 pm
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It's said the trip was taken on the behest of Yuna, and that can be seen as her striving to spend some time alone with him in order to rekindle those past feelings towards him.

Perhaps the events in Last Mission served as a wake-up call for her that there is more to life than just love? Maybe something happened to T/Y after Last Mission that we don't know of yet... Man that's lame, considering the not-so-subtle Tidus/Yuna fluffs in that LM.
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Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 08, 2014, 06:07:27 pm
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It's said the trip was taken on the behest of Yuna, and that can be seen as her striving to spend some time alone with him in order to rekindle those past feelings towards him.

Perhaps the events in Last Mission served as a wake-up call for her that there is more to life than just love? Maybe something happened to T/Y after Last Mission that we don't know of yet... Man that's lame, considering the not-so-subtle Tidus/Yuna fluffs in that LM.

Ah, I apologize if there's an inaccurate timeline on this site.

Since we truly have nearly three conflicting reports about the actual timeline of events concerning Last Mission, the perfect ending, and this novella, nobody knows for sure which happens when in relation to each other.

Last Mission could've taken place after this, but the perfect ending could've taken place before. Or vice versa. Or both after, or both before.
Who knows? We haven't any grounds to say.
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Post by: Akuwah on January 08, 2014, 06:15:05 pm
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Last Mission could've taken place after this, but the perfect ending could've taken place before. Or vice versa. Or both after, or both before.
Who knows? We haven't any grounds to say.

Oh right I completely forgot about this part -__-" But LM has to happen sometime after good ending or before/after perfect ending right? Since Rikku mentioned that Yuna is almost 20 year old in LM IIRC.
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Post by: Pixel on January 08, 2014, 06:18:39 pm
Oh wait, this takes place 2 days after he comes back, right?

In that case her welling up could be just happines that he had him back. But he welling up and the explosion are separate. She doesnt break down because she realises he's about to die, like thought before translating it
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Post by: Akuwah on January 08, 2014, 06:21:24 pm
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Oh wait, this takes place 2 days after he comes back, right?

Some say this takes place 2 days after he comes back. Others say this takes place after LM. So everyone is confused as to what is the actual timeline of this novella. Hmm.
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Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 08, 2014, 06:25:26 pm
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Oh wait, this takes place 2 days after he comes back, right?

Some say this takes place 2 days after he comes back. Others say this takes place after LM. So everyone is confused as to what is the actual timeline of this novella. Hmm.

Yes, we're not sure.

The official description of the novella places it six months after the events of FFX-2, but numerous reviews mention "...only 2 days after resurrection...", and yet others place the novella as a relation event contextual to either Last Mission or perfect ending.

We have to wait until we get more solid info.
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Post by: Akuwah on January 08, 2014, 06:33:01 pm
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The official description of the novella places it six months after the events of FFX-2, but numerous reviews mention "...only 2 days after resurrection...", and yet others place the novella as a relation event contextual to either Last Mission or perfect ending.

Yeah, and 'after the events of X-2' could either mean after the good ending or before/after the perfect ending. The timeline of the X-2's perfect ending itself is unknown so this makes things difficult.
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Post by: Pixel on January 08, 2014, 06:36:32 pm
hmmm the Kanji in that sentence was wrong, its 感情が大きく揺さぶられて、立っていられない。

So something like
Tidus started walking toward the ball, looking for it's owner. After one step... As Yuna watched the situation, she was surprised by the tears that suddenly started welling up. Her feelings were greatly shaken, and she couldn't stand. As she crouched on the ground, holding herself with both arms, she was overcome with unbearable sadness.
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Post by: KaminaSan on January 08, 2014, 07:04:37 pm
揺する
揺すぶる
This is why I am thankful another Japanese Translator showed up.

With the low quality of these scans it is difficult to get each kanji right. 播 揺 look almost the same on the scanned page。

Now with that in mind. 揺すぶられる literally means to be shaken/jolted. I have never used this word in my daily life so I figured I would confirm with a Japanese person.

I just asked my coworker what she would feel if I said 感情が大きく揺すぶられた, and she said 感動するという意味でよく使われる. "It's very often used as 'moved' ". She also said  ”でも。。。傷つくって意味も含まれる” "But... to also be hurt deeply is included in the meaning".

So we have that she was "shaken, and hurt deeply. "

I think we might want to wait on throwing that in the translation until we can confirm if this is because she was losing her feelings, or just because she was so in love at that point.
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Post by: Pixel on January 08, 2014, 07:31:46 pm
Well, if you are shaken, you're disturbed or troubled, I guess

In this case i think its more that her emotions are shaken up
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Post by: remany02 on January 09, 2014, 02:42:15 pm
I bought the novella however I find japanese to be harder to read. If one of the translators is interested I can send them scans via email and they can translate it for us. Or else it could take me years to read this novel  :-[
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Post by: Pixel on January 09, 2014, 02:55:57 pm
If you can send me good res scans of the first chapter or 2, I can get started on it. I should get it in the mail tomorrow or next day

email josephknight84@hotmail.co.uk
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Post by: catnip on January 09, 2014, 05:45:37 pm
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I bought the novella however I find japanese to be harder to read. If one of the translators is interested I can send them scans via email and they can translate it for us. Or else it could take me years to read this novel  :-[

I would like to participate in helping out with translations. I think more contribution would help? Just as Pixel said, pages that are scanned with an actual scanner would be ideal and much preferred over photos taken from a camera. I will send you my email!
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Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 09, 2014, 06:03:25 pm
Emails should be visible from the profile when clicked on. The account page should provide those details so you don't have to post your email on here if you don't wish to.


How excited are you fellas to get the full story on the novella?
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Post by: denizenofevil on January 09, 2014, 07:05:51 pm
Emails should be visible from the profile when clicked on. The account page should provide those details so you don't have to post your email on here if you don't wish to.


How excited are you fellas to get the full story on the novella?
Excited enough to register for this forum to find out! 

To the translators: Thanks for your work and devotion in the translating the thing.  I'm both excited and scared to find out what happens next as I have mixed feelings about the continuation of FFX. 

Anyone hear anything about any plans to bring the novella to the states in English?
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Post by: catnip on January 09, 2014, 08:34:03 pm
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How excited are you fellas to get the full story on the novella?

Pretty scared surely you jest, but the truth has to come out eventually
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Post by: Pixel on January 09, 2014, 11:22:18 pm
The first 2 paragraphs :P Ill make a new thread to keep everything organised once I finish chapter 1

Im not sure about this 膝を抱えて、とろとろとしていると、突然頭の芯に映像が結ばれた。 I think gently might be drowsily, im not sure

Tidus was surrounded by darkness. As he gently held his knees, suddenly at the back of his mind, an image appeared. As it caught his eye, it was unclear whether it was a scene from his memory all along.

A man with long hair hanging down his broad back, snuggling with an beautiful, slender woman. They were his parents, now already gone. One day his father disappeared, and his mother died of overwhelming with loneliness. The pain he felt in his heart that day, knowing that he couldn't console his mother, was revived.
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Post by: KaminaSan on January 10, 2014, 12:06:34 am
Jealoussss! Send me some scans too!
I hope the novel gets here this weekend.

By the way, 膝を抱えて,トロトロしてると,突然なんとか何とか…

Would mean "Tidus held his knees as he was dozing off'.

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Post by: Pixel on January 10, 2014, 12:16:54 am
I meant to say about the title. Is it "Price of Eternity" or "Eternal Cost"? I thought Eternal Cost since the called the other thing Eternal Calm. They have similar meanings, but without knowing the context, I can't decide
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Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 10, 2014, 02:10:41 am
How excited are you fellas to get the full story on the novella?


Pretty Excited :D a big thanks to the translators for all their hard work! :)
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Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 06:15:18 am
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Are you guys... ready for this?

omg  :o I'm ready...! I think... *heavy breathing*

You look great in the photo btw
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Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 10, 2014, 06:51:12 am
-deep breath- I'm ready.

LET'S DO THIS. BRING IT ON!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 10, 2014, 07:51:35 am
Everything is making sense now, with the death scene, and why she is so shaken.

I haven't translated it yet, but I have read the page before it. She basically keeps noticing how Tidus is acting childish, and it she says, it is only natural since "Time stopped for him".

She then goes on to say "However, we can get through it. I still want to be with him forever, and I am sure in time we will get used to eachother. I knew it ever since our first kiss".

Then cue head blown off...

She then has a talk with a mysterious voice who claims to be an "existence like God". This voice tells her to remember Tidus, and to remember how much she loved him, how she fell in love with him, and the sadness she felt when she couldn't be with him forever.

She does all that, and then the voice says "I'm not going to erase your memories, just lock them away. Although they can come gushing forth if there is a certain trigger".

Yuna then wakes up in a room with Tidus, and he's perfectly fine, just worrying about her.
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Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 10, 2014, 08:17:48 am
Wait, so... that whole 'locking up your memories' thing...

Is that why Yuna distanced herself from Tidus and went back to her 'summoner' days? Because she forgot about her lifestyle from X-2 and forgot the pain and love that her and Tidus went through?

...So that's why Yuna is acting like her FFX self in Will. It kinda makes sense now. Praying to Yevon, her mentioning the Final Summoning is the only way to defeat Sin, her being locked up on an island and never going anywhere...

So in X-3, one of the plot points could be Tidus helping Yuna trigger her memories. The question is... why would the unsent do that? I'll wait for more info.
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Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 08:28:48 am
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Is that why Yuna distanced herself from Tidus and went back to her 'summoner' days? Because she forgot about her lifestyle from X-2 and forgot the pain and love that her and Tidus went through?

Could be, but then why would she say yes when Chuami asked if Tidus is her boyfriend or not? Unless the mere mention of Tidus' name triggers her memories.

The mystery deepens, but interesting nevertheless.
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Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 08:33:09 am
My God, it seems they've detonated Yuna's character purely for the sake of drama, this sounds terrible. My WTF meter has just been maxed out.
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Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 08:40:52 am
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Tidus is acting childish, and it she says, it is only natural since "Time stopped for him".

I'm curious to know what kind of childish behaviors Tidus exhibits in front of Yuna...

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I still want to be with him forever, and I am sure in time we will get used to eachother.

Tidus and Yuna shippers want you to stay with him forever too  :'(

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"I'm not going to erase your memories, just lock them away. Although they can come gushing forth if there is a certain trigger".

I got a feeling that this entity not only can erase peoples' memories, but alter them too.

Well... we can only speculate for now.

Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 10, 2014, 08:53:15 am
No, no. Her memories of the ACCIDENT were locked away from what I have seen. Nothing else, just that.

I haven't translated yet, so don't look too much into it. I have to actually read the novel to find out what kind of behavior tidus had to cause this feeling in her.

Also, as far as the timeline.
The book clearly says 数ヶ月。 Which is 'a few months'. I am going to place this book 2-3 months after Tidus gets back. If it was 6 months, they would have said 'half year'.

Also FFX-3 is basically confirmed. They put in big print "Is this book some sort of omen"? On the front cover.
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Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 08:58:53 am
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No, no. Her memories of the ACCIDENT were locked away from what I have seen. Nothing else, just that.

Hmm, alright, thanks for clearing that up.

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Which is 'a few months'. I am going to place this book 2-3 months after Tidus gets back.

So no mention if X-2.5 actually takes place a few months after good ending or Last Mission? Oh well  :(



Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 10, 2014, 09:50:00 am
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Also FFX-3 is basically confirmed.

What do you mean when you say this? I know Nojima touched on the possibility of an X-3 in an interview some time last month, but he only talked about potential if there is a demand for it. Knowing SE, they will push for a demand through some type of promotion or teaser, but I honestly hope nothing comes of it. Unless, of course, all of the VAs return. Then I can have fun with that. I'm not very picky and can adjust to change, but I am never here for different voices for the same character(s).
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 10, 2014, 10:24:49 am
it is only natural since "Time stopped for him".

Wait.....does this mean Tidus doesn't age after FFX-2?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 10, 2014, 11:35:41 am
I'm pretty sure if you are a collection if pyreflies for 2 years, that you don't age... You know, being dead and all. I am sure he will age now, but remember he is still 17 while Yuna is 19.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: remany02 on January 10, 2014, 11:52:55 am
I got bored…….
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 10, 2014, 12:17:46 pm
EDIT Fixing up translation
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: dez112 on January 10, 2014, 03:54:39 pm
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    I got bored…….


Nice!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: city on January 10, 2014, 05:52:05 pm
So no mention of the sex fayth thing?  I hope not, then we can put that rumor to bed.  (pun intended)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 10, 2014, 05:58:34 pm
Thank you SO much Pixel! Really appreciate you posting all of that <3

I'm confused though. Why is it going through the good ending? Is it just a recap before the actual story hits, or does it really take place immediately after the game?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 10, 2014, 06:09:47 pm
I really feel the Novella takes place a few months after FFX-2 Final Mission because yuna talks about how happy she is living with tidus but in the novella it doesnt seem this way at all....i will be shocked if it takes place before Final Mission i really will   
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 06:44:35 pm
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I really feel the Novella takes place a few months after FFX-2 Final Mission because yuna talks about how happy she is living with tidus

You might want to check my post here http://ffx3chat.createaforum.com/general-discussion/how-important-is-the-relationship-between-tidus-and-yuna-to-you/?message=246
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: remany02 on January 10, 2014, 06:53:05 pm
"You might want to check my post here http://ffx3chat.createaforum.com/general-discussion/how-important-is-the-relationship-between-tidus-and-yuna-to-you/?message=246"

Interesting…Im very confused now but I noticed when watching the walkthroughs they changed a lot of scenes such as 1000 words in ffx-2. I dunno if its just because the japanese one might be different but it definitely does not look like the one from america.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 07:09:08 pm
The Japanese version of 1000 Words has always been different from the US version. We'll be getting the same thing we had before, don't worry.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 10, 2014, 08:53:47 pm
Wakka and Lulu's daughter is called Inami.

/random
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: city on January 10, 2014, 08:55:17 pm
I thought Lulu and Wakka had a son who they named Vidina?  Wiki confirms
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 08:57:16 pm
The Japanese version is Inami -> AlBhed for Mirai I think? Edit: Another edit, and yeah, it's AlBhed for Mirai
The English version is Vidina -> AlBhed for Future
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 10, 2014, 09:08:02 pm
Was that in last mission or something? Im still working my way through. it just says,
おれの子だ。イナミ。可愛いだろ
This is my child. Inami. Cute, ya?

It might go on to explain it
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 09:11:31 pm
If you get an episode complete for Besaid in X-2, Wakka will tell you the name of his newborn child, who happens to be a boy. Inami for the Japanese version, Vidina for the English version.

If you get an episode concluded then Wakka will stay indecisive in naming his newborn child.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 10, 2014, 09:31:35 pm
Thats pretty weird, because Inami is a girl's name... I think Vidina is too :P
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 09:34:43 pm
Haha the names do sound feminine  :P Well anything goes for Leblanc FF I guess? surely you jest
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: mooglekupo on January 10, 2014, 10:27:20 pm
hi everyone! i just wanna say thanks so much for everything that's being done! i wish i could help translate or do anything really, but i keep constantly checking this forum, i'm really nervous but excited to learn how the novella turns out. but thank you so much again!!  :D
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 11, 2014, 12:09:05 pm
If you want to help, all you have to do is participate. Share your thoughts, make threads, keep conversation about the game lively and interesting.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: IreneItaly on January 11, 2014, 06:35:10 pm
Hi guys! I'm an Italian girl, my name's Irene. I think that what you're doing is really incredible! I follow you everyday! I wanted you to know that you have fans that admire you also in old Europe!
I can't wait to read more translations! I grew up with Yuna and Tidus (litterally, the first time that I've "met" them I was 7), so I am really really really scared about the plot of this novel... I'd hate square enix forever if they destroyed Yunie and Tidus's great story. Thank you everybody!  :)

GRAZIE MILLE DAVVERO!!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 11, 2014, 07:07:49 pm
Welcome :)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: IonianBlade on January 11, 2014, 07:09:46 pm
I have faith in Square Enix. Even if the Novella plot is kinda sketchy, I'm confident that they can make X-3 solid. Here's to hope. ^ ^
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 12, 2014, 12:10:35 am
Nojima won't go down without a fight, that's for certain.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 12, 2014, 03:26:46 pm
Haha, I was going through, wondering why they have a rucksack リュック, then reallised it's Rikku. Makes alot more sense than Yuna travelled around with a rucksack and a pine :P

and
The noisy rucksack stopped making noise,
even compared to the rucksack, she seemed grown up.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 12, 2014, 09:27:13 pm
How much exposition is given concerning the first chapter?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 12, 2014, 10:30:49 pm
It gets through it pretty fast. Few paragraphs very vaguely going through the events of the game, as memories that flash through his mind. Then he emerges from the darkness. Goes through the fmv at the end of x-2. Then they go back to the village and decide to throw a party.

Tidus is introduced to Paine, and gets a very brief explanation of the events of X-2, really just that they joined a group and journeyed together. Then they talk about the fact that Tidus hasn't changed in those 2 year.

Im just fixing up the translation now. It's still a bit rough.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: kk on January 13, 2014, 12:10:43 am
Re: the post-reunion bits, with Tidus meeting Paine and stuff... so, then, the events of the novel DO take place only a few days after X-2...? In other words, is it just the beginning of the novel that takes place immediately after the ending of X-2, or the whole book?? O_O
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: pierpaolo on January 13, 2014, 01:01:37 pm
So Tidus dies soon after FF X-2...He doesn't wanna have a quiet life! ;)
Thanks for your work Pixel! Do your best for this! :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 13, 2014, 02:02:09 pm
Im kinda confused. Nojima describes the airship at the end of X-2 as purple. FFX's one is purple. X-2's is red...

Was he involved in X-2?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 13, 2014, 02:33:26 pm
According to FFWiki, he was one of the writers for X-2 alongside Daisuke Watanabe.

... Maybe he's colour-blind.  :P
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 13, 2014, 03:37:22 pm
Or maybe he's pretending X-2 doesn't exist :P
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mars1040 on January 13, 2014, 03:55:21 pm
Watched the Good Ending, the Celsius is purplish from a distance. Also, hi.

Or maybe he's pretending X-2 doesn't exist :P

And that's my working theory.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 13, 2014, 04:01:44 pm
Oh hey, I saw you on GameFAQs. Did you also post that story on Fanfiction.net?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mars1040 on January 13, 2014, 06:11:19 pm
I posted a bunch of stories on fanfiction.net so you'll have to be specific. :P
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pyramidbread on January 13, 2014, 07:50:09 pm
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So Tidus dies soon after FF X-2...He doesn't wanna have a quiet life! ;)
Thanks for your work Pixel! Do your best for this! :) :) :)

Didnt the audio thing say they had a year together though? Unless there still was that year after the novella.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 14, 2014, 02:38:09 am
Don't know if this sounds right.

「ユウナの話によると、またスピラを救ったその褒美として、折り子があんたを返してくれるって言ったとか言わないとか」
“According to Yuna, as a reward for saving Spira, she was told they would return their child.”

「つまり、俺が戻って来られたのは祈り子のおかげか」
“You mean, the fact that I’m back is thanks to a child of the Faith?”

「頑張ったユウナんでしょ!」
“Yuna did her best!”
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 14, 2014, 02:50:46 am
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「ユウナの話によると、またスピラを救ったその褒美として、折り子があんたを返してくれるって言ったとか言わないとか」
“According to Yuna, as a reward for saving Spira, she was told they would return their child.”

This bit is kinda confusing, child? Did you get that from 折り子 (fayth)?


Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: pierpaolo on January 14, 2014, 03:05:54 am
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So Tidus dies soon after FF X-2...He doesn't wanna have a quiet life! ;)
Thanks for your work Pixel! Do your best for this! :) :) :)

Didnt the audio thing say they had a year together though? Unless there still was that year after the novella.

Audio is one year later FFX-2. Novella after few days ( if i understand correctly ). Tidus was resurrected by Yuna after his death. We have to wait for more informations!  :)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 14, 2014, 03:20:44 am
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Novella after few days ( if i understand correctly ). Tidus was resurrected by Yuna after his death.

Perhaps the notion that the novella takes place immediately after X-2 might be referring to the introductory chapter:
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Tidus is introduced to Paine, and gets a very brief explanation of the events of X-2, really just that they joined a group and journeyed together. Then they talk about the fact that Tidus hasn't changed in those 2 year.

And the rest of the novella probably takes place x months after the good ending or perfect ending.

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We have to wait for more informations!

^
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 14, 2014, 03:35:23 am
子 = child
祈り = prayer... I figured that was Fayth

Is 祈り子 just Fayth?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Akuwah on January 14, 2014, 03:39:00 am
According to wikipedia and FFWikia, 祈り子 as a whole is Fayth http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Fayth
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Pixel on January 14, 2014, 03:42:37 am
That makes a bit more sense then.

This is quite a long first chapter. About a quarter left to translate.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: DaMastah on January 20, 2014, 06:20:21 am
Any update on the translation ?  ;D
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: KaminaSan on January 20, 2014, 09:08:34 am
Please bear with us for translation. It's not easy, and we aren't getting paid.

I personally have been busy with work, and I'm sure Pixel has his(her?) own things going ona as well. Just know you will probably not get this book in the US, so any translation at all is a big step. I'm currently working on chapter 2.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 20, 2014, 10:54:57 am
Yes, translation is not an expedient task. Both KaminaSan and Pixel are doing this in their own free time, so it's important we show our utmost gratitude and patience in the matter.

However, I will be intermittently updating the front novella page with new, integral information as time goes on.
If a chapter proves sufficient in worthwhile information, I'll make a summary section for it. I won't post every superficial detail, however.
Have no misgivings, you won't be missing out on any important information; you just have to be forbearing of it.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: DaMastah on January 20, 2014, 12:00:19 pm
Please bear with us for translation. It's not easy, and we aren't getting paid.

I personally have been busy with work, and I'm sure Pixel has his(her?) own things going ona as well. Just know you will probably not get this book in the US, so any translation at all is a big step. I'm currently working on chapter 2.

I'm very grateful for your dedication and I know this is free work.
I'll wait as much as needed but I really want to know if everything I read on the web is true.

FFX is my favorite game of all time, please excuse me if I seemed a little impatient.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 20, 2014, 03:40:47 pm
What do you mean "on the web"?

If you have any doubts on what you've read, I'd be happy to answer them.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: DaMastah on January 20, 2014, 06:04:24 pm
What do you mean "on the web"?

If you have any doubts on what you've read, I'd be happy to answer them.

For example the disturbing sex-fayth method on tidus' headless corpse... :s
I've read that all over the web...
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 20, 2014, 06:23:07 pm
The speculation regarding necrophilia with Tidus's corpse came about as a result of very vague preliminary details on the sex-fayth method's presence in the novella.

The only details people had at first were the facts of Tidus dying, Yuna resurrecting him, and the possibility to use sex to make fayth. Stringing these three together, an unreasonable conclusion was reached that Yuna must have **** Tidus's dead body to revive him by making him a fayth.

As more information came to light, however, some things pointed towards this being implausible. Tidus's body disappeared after he died (as he was made of pyreflies), which rendered sex impossible, and the sex-fayth was told in a separate narrative. There is no plausibility to this theory anymore, of what scant reason it had to being with.


The sex-fayth method was used by a female summoner a thousand years prior to the events in the novella, in Machina War-era Zanarkand. Her intention was to create a fayth without having to sacrifice her guardian lover.
That is the only application and knowledge we have of the sex-fayth method in the story as of now.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: DaMastah on January 21, 2014, 06:59:18 pm
I must admit I feel relieved, that was so sick.
Thanks for this detailed answer.

Can't wait to read the translation though ;)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 22, 2014, 01:56:22 pm
When it comes to the controversial subjects, I will post the translations word for word. However, unless allowed, approved and allocated by the translators themselves, I will not post a fully translated manuscript.

No need to worry either way, though! You'll be getting the important information regardless.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 25, 2014, 02:52:53 pm
Okay guys, I was browsing Mognetcentral today, and I came across, I think, this Japanese person who is attempting to speak English. He has a friend who has read chapters 3, 4 and 5, and has provided crudely translated summaries on their contents. I quote:

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chapter 3

- Talking about new character Vakum (male) and Summoner Kushu (female). It's began when they woke up after they have sex.... (Oh... Nojima) They're on top floor of 1号吸排気ダクト.

- Kushu said there's man walking at the coast. He's picking up the ball from bag while looking at Kushu. Valum shouted that it's bomb!!

- The bomb exploded. Valum and Kushu escaped from the explosive range. Valum thought that he must kill that man, and the heretic mage... (who?)

For some reason, 号吸排気ダクト isn't translated. Valum and Kushu might be the guardian and summoner from the Boy's Side of the novel. Obviously, this is foreshadowing the use and existence of the island's bombs, and this other mysterious character.

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chapter 4

- Gullwing gang're chatting on Celcius. From the radar, they saw the big storm that coming to southern of Besaid island. They tried to communicate with Yuna, but the communication device's unworkable with no reason. Shinra said he can't fix it because "I'm just a kid".

- Paine told everone that they must go to Besaid and tell villagers about the storm.

- Aniki (Rikku's brother) 's crying. He loved Yuna. But now Tidus came back... so there's no chance for Aniki anymore. Aniki refused to come to Besaid. He don't want to see Yuna with Tidus.

- Paine hesitated, she thought that the villagers may used to the storm. While they are chatting, suddenly the radar's unworkable.

- Shinra told that this engine had made 1,000 years ago, so it could be broken anytime. Nowadays Al-Bhed can't make a powerful engine like this. Their ancestor didn't leave any blueprint for them.

Back to the present time, a strong storm is approaching Besaid, and Shinra can't get a signal with Yuna. Of course, Aniki (Brother)'s jealous, and Shinra tells them that the Celsius is 1000 years old, and more powerful than any airship today.

Now guys, this is where it gets weird for me:

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chapter 5

- Tidus's coming to explore the ship "Aurochs-Ace". He come to ship' cabin and found that room's luxury just like the room in hotel. (Others Besaid Aurochs member have decorated it for him and Yuna.) Tidus napped in that room.

- He woke up in the night. When he looked out through the window, he couldn't see Besaid coast. The ship had sailed out for a long way. That's shocked him.

- Tidus ran to the deck, Yuna in kimono's the one who controlled the ship. Yuna said sorry to keep you waited. At first Tidus's angry, but Yuna said she's the one who should be angry because she had waited for him 2 years! Tidus accepted and said sorry to her.

- Yuna said that his team (Besaid Aurochs members) told her to use this ship to stay with Tidus tonight. She said with shyness, Tidus also.

- Yuna said the storm's coming, they should moor the ship somewhere. Tidus tried to help Yuna control the ship, he had many knowledge about ship. He remembered the time when he was in Zanarkand, that he lived in the ship.

- But... from the aroma that he scent from Yuna's hair, it's turn him onnn!!! He invited Yuna to go to the cabin. Yuna tried to refused because they should moor the ship somewhere first, but Tidus still dragged her to the cabin anyway.

Tidus and Yuna are on their ship, and apparently Yuna can now pilot boats. Woo, more things that Yuna can do out of nowhere. At least they acknowledged that Tidus has experience with driving ships since he used to live on one. Also for some reason, the Besaid Aurochs said to Yuna to use the ship to spend some time with Tidus. Also, the first sign of Yuna being 'angry' with him, and Tidus' first sign of 'constant apologising'.

The last bullet point is what gets me the most, though... Tidus tries to help her pilot the boat, but he can't because... he's aroused by the scent of Yuna's hair. Then he drags her to the cabin for some most likely private time, ignoring the fact that they're in the middle of the ocean current and could get swept away. Tidus, for a supposed experienced sailor, you sure don't remember the basic safety rules.

So... yeah. The reason they got shipwrecked and went through all that swimsuit-blitzbomb sexy-fayth resurrection stuff... is because Tidus got **** because of Yuna's hair.

God, Tidus. What have they done to you?

Obviously, the best resort is waiting for KaminaSan and Pixel to provide their sides of the story, but given that this person is most likely Japanese, I think we've had a shot of what's to come and be expected.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 25, 2014, 03:54:16 pm
Um... "Aniki"? ???
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: pierpaolo on January 25, 2014, 05:03:41 pm
あに (ani) means Brother
あにき (aniki ) means Big Brother ( I use Google translate )
I don't know if there's a Kanji for Aniki!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 25, 2014, 10:00:26 pm
I'm sure it's, if anything, a preview of things to come as you said.

I wouldn't trust anything until we get the official translations from KaminaSan and Pixel. Not to discredit this source, but we are reassured with our translators that the information we're getting isn't muddled at all.

After the necrophilia scandal,
it's best to keep our eyesight keen.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: TresDias on January 26, 2014, 10:51:43 pm
Lots of new information from hitoshura at TheLifestream.net, where Pixel and I are from. He's been a translator in the FF fandom for more than ten years and was the first to provide a summary of Nojima's The Kids Are Alright FFVII novel a couple years ago:

http://thelifestream.net/lifestream-projects/translations/11751/summary-of-the-new-ffvii-novel/

He confirmed the boat sex thing between Tidus and Yuna the other day, by the way.

What I'm about to provide here is an explanation of the sex-fayth method. I'm summarizing from what hito said across several posts:

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A summoner can have sex with someone (it can be anyone, not just another summoner; it just happened to be another summoner in the Boy's Side story) as a means of reaching a bonded mental state in order to create a particular kind of fayth called a Beast Core (獣芯). Sex isn't the only way for them to reach that mental union with one another, but you could say it's the quick and dirty way (pun intended)..

The person who becomes the Beast Core is still being sacrificed, but not in the same way as when their soul is pulled from their living body and placed in a monstrous fayth statue. Instead, they slowly crystallize into a glass-like state, but still retain their human shape. As the Beast Core, they provide the summoner with the power to create pyreforms (幻光体) based on imagination rather than just the strict blueprints offered by the fayth from FFX. If the Beast Core's bond with the summoner is strong, the summoner can create damn near anything. Otherwise, the summoner can only create a somewhat limited range of "aeons" based on their own experiences (we don't see any traditional aeons in this story -- just replicas of things that actually existed).
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He also explained that the sex-fayth method recounted in the Boy's Side story involved a female summoner named Kushu (クシュ) and a male summoner named Ifarnal (イファーナル). Kushu actually became the Beast Core for Ifarnal. Briah (ブライア) was Kushu's non-summoner lover.

The rest of these are quotes from hito:

Quote from: hito
the island, which was besaid in the past, was summoned by ifarnal (who was on the island before the end of the war). ifarnal survived what happened on the island and lived to be 90-odd, but when he died became an unsent. yuna doesn't meet ifarnal on the island itself, but kushu who was another summoner and the one who became the core for ifarnal. although that wasn't the actual kushu, but rather a summoned form of her.

after tidus blows up (that doesn't sound real but it is a real thing that is actually in this book omg) ifarnal speaks to yuna and tells her how to bring tidus back.

other things this book decides are things now, unsents can have kids with humans

and yuna has a mole somewhere only tidus would know

know in a biblical sense, more like

Quote from: hito
i can't remember the specifics right now, but ifarnal does tell yuna about the old way of summoning. there is something about how if tidus realises what he is then that would have a detrimental effect on his existence (as in it might end). this also applies if he goes somewhere where there are lots of pyreflies.

Quote from: hito
briah (or valm, another unsent who was on the same island as ifarnal but got shot by an angry albhed) goes to confront him and then he gets blown up by one of those bomb balls

so he's just dead now. [Note by TresDias: These next two paragraphs are about Ifarnal, not Briah; hito was answering my question about what Ifarnal's intent was in telling Yuna how to resurrect Tidus, as I was wondering if perhaps he was the one who killed Tidus so that he could tell Yuna how to bring him back and cause her to weaken the Farplane] i don't think he really had a plan. i don't think there was a plan here. it was just a bunch of stuff that kind of happened. tidus blowing up seems like an accident, but now that i think about it i don't know why ifarnal told yuna what to do to bring him back

he just kind of spoke to her via magic or something and told her what to do. but the price was that he would seal away her memories of what happened (which she later remembers), because if they both remember then it would all be undone. or something.

conflict would come in the forms of:

- tidus trying to spend some time with yuna the night he returned (so he goes on the boat and then yuna sneaks on and they sail away into a storm)
- tidus and yuna stranded at sea (which i thought went on for a bit longer than it needed)
- tidus and yuna on the mysterious island and how they will leave it (tidus literally just warps away, he gets that special power for reasons/i guess because he's just pyreflies. yuna gets taken on to a boat by ifarnal but i don't remember if they gave an explanation about how that happened since it was a real boat and just seems to just move from the island to the boat)
- briah going a bit insane when he gets his memories back
- tidus and yuna doing what ifarnal/kushu asks and if they will do it (i don't think they actually did)
- the nature of tidus' new existence
- yuna feeling some distance from tidus, which is a running theme

the last one is probably the most problematic part. realistically yeah, it makes sense. for yuna tidus has been gone for two years, she has gone through a lot of stuff and tidus is still 17 and how he was in ffx. but that's been a big complaint about it, yuna's treatment of tidus. she's not being a total **** or anything, there's still love there but it's tempered with 'that aspect of tidus is bugging me'. she doesn't seem as happy as she does in ffx-2's ending, like she's just been reunited with her love.

tidus dying too. this story starts right after ffx-2. to make a timeline of the series, it would go:

- ffx
- eternal calm
- ffx-2
- eternal cost
- 100% ending of x-2?
- last mission
- will
- ffx-3 which we all know they are going to try to make now

at most it would be a couple of days after tidus came back (depending how long they spend floating at sea, which i can't imagine being more than a few hours so that would place the island stuff starting the day after he came back), and they unceremoniously blow him up. which is a bit of a ****. but then they went from 'the world's purest kiss' in ffx to tidus being a horndog trying to get laid a bunch.

it feels a lot more like it was written to lay the groundwork for a sequel than anything else. some of the new stuff is interesting, but it's still weird overall.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: city on January 27, 2014, 01:40:18 am
Wow this is a lot of info to take in!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Mars1040 on January 27, 2014, 03:52:50 am
...I've read stuff like this in fanfiction, the fact that Nojima actually wrote that Tidus becomes like that (and Yuna going along with it) speaks VOLUMES of the Novella's quality.

Tidus, Yuna, what have they done to you?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 27, 2014, 09:38:50 am
I have to agree. While some of the new stuff is pretty interesting (Beast Cores, wat. Can't wait to see happens cause of this.), I'm still not a fan of how they portrayed Tidus and Yuna. Their relationship was a LOT more than just kinky stuff. It was a tale about protection, trust, determination, and the will to do anything to save his love from impending doom, going as far as to literally bend tradition and move the heavens for her. All because they naturally liked each other, and their love grew so much that it changed the world. Now that they've basically given Tidus the 'surely you jest sex' mentality, it not only nullifies part of what their relationship stood for, but also Tidus' stance as a... well, mature person.

I can understand that they would want intercourse together, considering the possibility that they might have never seen each other again, but on the standards of Tidus and Yuna, I would have expected it to have a slow build up, and have them treat it as an emotional bonding. Their first kiss was engaged in an underwater lake, and they treated it like a freakin' oath, and that was when they realised that they loved each other. Their first time together would have been just as magical. Instead, Tidus is like 'hey yuna i like your hair wanna screw?'

I just don't believe that Yuna would have more experience in life than Tidus had. Oh sure, she had two adventures instead of one, but the second one was more of a personal mission that evolved into something much bigger. Oh, and I guess nobody remembers the scene where Tidus' spirit guides Yuna out of the Farplane after she gets trapped. Yep. Tidus totally hasn't gone through as much as Yuna had. Well, except the fact that his home was destroyed and he found out that his life was a selfish illusion maintained by a subhuman summoner. Gah, this was one aspect of FFX fanfictions that I always hated: Yuna outgrowing Tidus because they spent two years apart. The fact that it's now canon just saddens me.

Tidus and Yuna aren't just a throwaway thing, oh no. They're a MAJOR part of what FFX stands for. For Nojima to suddenly do this to them for the sake of drama, it just... feels dirty and wrong. Why can't they just fight the main threat while they're HAPPY together? Haven't they gone through enough? Two games of pain and desperation to save each other? All for naught?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: catnip on January 27, 2014, 09:39:40 am
this is ridiculous and awful in every sense

Thank you so much for your guys' contributions though (translations, searches, etc.)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: TresDias on January 27, 2014, 12:29:00 pm
A few last (really weird) details:

Quote from: I
As always, hito, you are awesome sauce. As an entrée, and not a side.

EDIT: What is this exactly?:

Quote
tidus and yuna doing what ifarnal/kushu asks and if they will do it (i don't think they actually did)

What does Ifarnal ask them to do? And are we to assume Yuna really went and **** some random person since Tidus came back?

Quote from: hito
yuna only had boat sex, her bringing back tidus was something different

ifarnal's request to yuna was to kill someone (i can't remember if this was briah or kushu, but i think it was kushu)
kushu's request to tidus was to give a woman sitting in a chair looking out of a window 'a little push' on the shoulder (this was kushu's real body located in one of the ruins on besaid)

Quote from: I
That's ... weird.

Quote from: hito
it's a weird book

i am starting to think that the thing with yuna distancing herself from tidus has something to do with the whole 'if he finds out what he is he will disappear' thing

Quote from: I
Do you get the impression she may have done "something bad" to bring him back?

Quote from: hito
i think she just wished really hard, that's about it. think about tidus and wish really hard
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: kk on January 27, 2014, 03:19:51 pm
Crystal, I agree with you wholeheartedly. But I also think we should wait until we see the actual translation before judging TOO harshly!

I mean, people were making it sound like Yuna was COMPLETELY irritated and cold to him, but in the translated scenes we've been given so far, she always either affectionate, coy, too busy, or , sadly, reasonably distant after not seeing someone for two years, I think. I consider it... sort of like, if they had been in an online relationship for the past two years, to give a contemporary example! xD You could be the two closest people in the world, but if you haven't spent time with someone physically for two entire years, there are still some emotional and physical boundaries that you need to cross. There is still an initial period of awkwardness and getting to know each other, EVEN THOUGH you may actually know each other on a very deep and personal level, do you know what I mean??? I think it's sort of realistic that they need to get "used to each other", as Yuna says in one scene. The fact is, they haven't seen one another for two years, and while, no, I don't think Yuna has emotionally matured extremely beyond him, because as you said, he matured A LOT in X, too... she has still been progressing for two years, and we don't know where/what he was for the past two years, if he was conscious or not. I can see there being some difficulty in them adjusting, at the beginning. But, it sounds like this book takes place BEFORE Last Mission. Therefore, all the happy moments they have in Last Mission? Unaffected by this book. :) So, clearly, she has gotten over her hang ups! It sounds to me like the book is addressing the, as you said, popular theme in fanfic and general opinion, of Yuna having trouble adjusting to Tidus, BUT, with his death (crappy as a plot device as it is) or whatever, it seems that she comes to realize how much she loves him and blah blah blah. I'm guessing this is the message, from that mysterious voice reminding her to remember how much she loved him, and her having to "wish" (call, like in the audio drama, perhaps?????) him back... Anyway, they just need time to work out the initial kinks.

Speaking of kinks... I also am skeptical of the "boat sex". Again, remember he was accused being a total horndog in that "ecchi" bikini scene, but all he said was one playful comment? It was kinda blown way out of proportion, surely you jest.

Also, doesn't that bikini scene take place AFTER the boat? So, if they did have sex, canon-ly, on the boat... isn't that kind of weird? Like, why would he ask for her forgiveness for thinking dirty stuff if they've already had sex? LMAO. Like, that ship has sailed, so to speak. uNLESS... the sex they had was romantic, not dirty. In which case, it's all good, right? ;) I agree that they wouldn't rush, and their first time would be 'pure' and all that, but... at the same time, who says it wasn't???

Not to mention, the translator only said it's implied, didn't he? By them picking up clothes off the floor, the next morning or whatever? Did I read that right? If that's the only implication, that doesn't necessarily mean much. Tidus DOES were a lot of unnecessary garments that I'm sure are uncomfortable to sleep in, surely you jest.

I don't know... I'm just saying, I'd wait to see the full translation before getting ourselves too worked up! :D A lot of the things that got me really riled up and angry at first, turned out to be far less horrible than they were presented by summation at first. ^^;
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 27, 2014, 03:57:40 pm
Ah, you make a valid point actually. Yeah, I guess your long-lost lover suddenly reappearing into your life would make for a bit of a clumsy start, I guess. XD But still, this is Tidus and Yuna, after all. There was hardly any real 'awkwardness' between them on the pilgrimage, except maybe at Macalania. (But we all know where that went. ;)) They had playful banter and it was pretty obvious that they had crushes on each other. They're pretty much a 'love at first sight' couple done right.

But still, in the context of the '2 days later' timeline, isn't that weird? You'd think Tidus and Yuna would have time to settle down on Besaid together; you know, get Tidus acquainted and caught up with his old friends and all. Instead, they just pass off some boat to them and tell them to go out to sea. I'd buy it better if they went back on the Celsius instead. (Come on, Tidus being a sphere hunter isn't that far of a stretch.) Don't they have weather vanes on Besaid or something? That's pretty reckless of those Aurochs, IMO.

The whole 'memory erase' is a pretty big cop-out, though. So we're just left to assume that Yuna screwed up the balance of the world and her lover's plane of existence, only to forget it and go on living a normal life and go poppycock around Iutycyr? But assuming this actually took place a half-year after X-2, why would the loss of her memories of the incident cause her personality to revert back into her X self? Better yet, why would she even maintain that? You'd think Yuna would be trying to find a way to save Tidus by herself instead of going back to square one and praying to the lifeless fayth statues. Okay, yeah, the fayth are on her side, only Tidus and Yuna can see Bahamut's fayth, yadda yadda. So... why can't Yuna just go find Bahamut in person? Did the huge holes that Shuyin leave behind just suddenly close up upon his defeat? I mean, Bahamut created Tidus, so he must know the most about his nature, even if he is a part-human, part-aeon, part-dream, part-unsent, part-zombie, part-fish thing.

Ugh... this whole thing just feels bizarre and not what we'd expect. Then again, nobody expected X-2 to turn out the way it did back when it was announced. I seriously thought that the audio drama would be a happy-go-lucky, happily-ever-after epilogue for our favourite couple. But it is Square Enix, seeker of sequels, so maybe I should have known better.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 27, 2014, 04:59:58 pm
Oh, my.


That's quite the load of new information.

I'll update the Original Post once I get my bearings on all this information. Is this a trusty source, TresDias? Or anybody else who knows about that site?

Ahh, nevermind that. After thoroughly reading, I see this is a trustworthy source. I shall update the Original Post as soon as possible.
Get the word out about this new information!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on January 27, 2014, 08:31:40 pm
Yeah, you won't find a more reliable source than hito. There doesn't seem to be much more of interest to mine from this book, though, sadly. He called it "snake feet" -- a term meaning something is not only unnecessary, but damaging to what was there before.

 
Quote from: CrystalofLies
I mean, Bahamut created Tidus ...

What gave you that impression? Tidus is just another resident of the Dream Zanarkand, like Jecht.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 27, 2014, 09:37:53 pm
I completely agree with Crystal. What Nojima's done here is just dirty. He's created contrived drama for the sake of a new plot and it's a shame. This is not what any fan wanted and it most certainly has been done better in fanfiction. Please, don't let this man write romance anymore, he has failed us.

I've met good friends I haven't seen in years and yet we were able to hit it off without a hitch as if we'd never been apart. When you click with someone you just click. For two people who are supposed to be soul mates, you'd think it'd be most likely for them to fall in place, lock step with one another again. They should both be pretty damn giddy and content and all that good crap, not awkward. There was never any drama between them and there shouldn't be now. Nojima just wanted to conjure angst for funs, har har. And don't get me started on the boat sex thing. I've never been opposed to Tidus and Yuna having sex in the world of canon Final Fantasy, but like that, really? Tidus recklessly puts their lives in danger to get some booty? The very notion that Tidus would knowingly risk Yuna's safety for anything is absurd. Seriously, as has been said, Tidus, what have they DONE to you!?

The more that's translated the worse it gets. I think I'm going to try ignoring this thing as much as possible.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on January 28, 2014, 12:43:36 am
I don't know what to think of this...
I love FFX and Tidus and Yuna, it hurts to think that the entire FFX and FFX-2 storyline, was useless (by making Sin come back, even if we defeated him!)
I'd have accept if another thing threatens Spira, not Sin...again.
But I hope that, if they do a FFX-3, they make it with effort, responsibility, innovation, intelligence and creativity.
Please SE, you already make a mistake with the first sequel ( this is just my opinion, i don't try to offend anyone that likes FFX-2) don't dissapoint us, we hope that if you decide to start making a second sequel, do it with the great potential that we know you have. :-)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on January 28, 2014, 07:35:55 am
For all the unrest among fans this has created, I feel sure that if Yuna wasn't having a little trouble adjusting to Tifus's return, plenty of people would be upset about that instead. Probably saying "That's not how it works in real life," "She's not the same person she was; it isn't believable that there's no period of readjustment" and "Even when they got reunited in X-2's ending, Tidus himself commented on how apparent it was that she had changed."

Nojima at least appears to have made the attempt at satisfying all corners here. Yuna needed a readjustment period, during which Tidus was blown up and she was reminded of how much she had missed him to begin with.

Personally, I don't think it would have been believable for him to have just been dropped back into her life without some differences in their dynamic. She's changed. She's grown. She's more assertive now and more willing to think about her own needs. She can actually fathom having a future, which she had not had time for during their journey together before.

Much has changed. To pretend otherwise would have been worse than this turned out to be.

As for the boat sex, I'm not sure why people are bothered about that. They've just been reunited. They're young adults. Yuna snuck aboard his boat and "kidnapped" him with the intention of them getting some alone time. What was supposed to happen? A game of Scrabble?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 28, 2014, 08:10:54 am
I don't think people care that they had sex, it's how it happened. I'd think most fans would be expecting something more romantic then say a quick roll in the squid which put their lives in danger. My main issue with it is Tidus ignoring the storm, the hell is that?

I question how much "realness" people expect from Final Fantasy, especially in a case where the romance has been completely idealized up until this.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 28, 2014, 09:54:18 am
What Pyreflies said: I, and most others, do not mind the aspect of Tidus and Yuna getting it on at one point in canon. It's just how they initiated it that's bothering people on this board. Heck, remember when people were still talking about their kissing session at Macalania? There were rumours and implications that they did 'more' than just kissing. I think that they just put the fact that Kimahri was watching there just to balance out the two sides. 1: They had sex. 2: They just kissed.  It's like that scene in FFVII where it was heavily implied that Cloud and Tifa had sex under the Highwind. Ambiguous moments like that are what get fans like us rolling.

But with the boat sex thing, it's probably the most OOC moment we've seen of Tidus this far in the novel. Remember: Tidus ALWAYS tried to protect Yuna from harm in some way. Sin attacking the S.S. Liki: First thing Tidus did was grab Yuna's hand. Moonflow: Tidus dove in immediately after Yuna. Wedding: Angry Tidus is freakin' angry. Etc., etc., etc.. Even in the Spring scene, he still seemed pretty protective of her while they were floating through the currents, what with the hand movements and all. Like I said earlier: If Tidus is supposed to be the far superior one out of the two in regards to boat/sea knowledge, the opposing person being his soul mate no less, then why didn't he moor the ship to somewhere in an ocean where there are frequent goddamn storms!? Tropical oceans are the most likely to have storms away from the shore! It's basic geography! I have to wonder, is Nojima trying to make Tidus as shallow and infuriating as possible? This is the guy who literally gave up his life to save his girl, and now he disregards their safety to tap Yunie's patootie. I know it's small when you compare it to everything else -coughblitzbombcough-, but it's still really annoying.

Of course, we all would expect a bit of realism, even in a Final Fantasy game. Mild realism, as displayed in this game, is the emotions of the characters and the common sense that they may or may not follow. Fantasy is a different world with often different laws, customs and species. It's not something in which you can make up any old rule to get out of something, or appear extremely bizarre for the sake of awe or wonder. It's partially why it's called Final Fantasy: Each game or 'entry' has a different world with different natures, as well as different threats and people. If FFX was REALLY realistic, Yuna would probably be really depressed, Tidus would end up in a mental hospital at some point, Kimahri would be walking on four legs, and the gang probably wouldn't last very long against fiends, which are basically mutated dead people, AKA zombies. For all we know, Tidus and Yuna getting along as soon as they are reunited could be considered normal in Spira's universe. If Wakka and Lulu could do it, why not Tidus and Yuna? XD

And Tresdias, in regards to the 'Bahamut created Tidus' thing, sorry for confusing you. We see throughout X that Bahamut very likely had a connection with him that was more special than any of the other fayth. In Dream Zanarkand, only Tidus could see him. The rest of the game, only Tidus and Yuna (and Auron) are 'allowed' to see his fayth form. (Of course, other summoners could as well, but Tidus was the only non-summoner that could at that point. Maybe the others could see Bahamut, but they didn't really address it.) He was the one who explained his and Dream Zanarkand's origins, and in X-2, you can ask him to bring Tidus back/initiate the Good Ending. Since the fayth are maintaining Dream Zanarkand, it could be possible that Tidus came from the portion of Bahamut's dreaming. The other fayth do have their own forms, which you can see when you revisit the temples after leaving Zanarkand. It's just Bahamut's fayth that appears to them for some reason.

But with X-2 and the whole 'Shuyin' thing... well, it is possible that Bahamut knew Shuyin and admired him. He and Lenne were popular icons in Zanarkand back then. Tidus is pretty much an imperfect copy of Shuyin's body with his own thoughts and memories.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 28, 2014, 01:43:37 pm
Nojima is fleshing out these characters as people, with flaws.

It's not how we perceived them so far, but it's how he's decided to paint them in a post-Sin Spira.

It's unprecedented, and unwanted by a lot of people, I'm sure, but it's realistic. Nojima figured this was the best way to usher in a new story in the world of Spira.
After all, everybody has their faults.
He's just exploiting those in his characters.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: moonstone on January 28, 2014, 03:32:56 pm
I find it silly when people say that Nojima has ruined the story of X....he wrote it (well, he was one of the scenerio writers) and what he (and the other writers) wrote was obviously a success! Whatever he writes, I hope he doesn't change it just to please fans...I honestly dislike when authors have to change their story because fans don't like what it was going to be....it's his story and he should decided how to best write it....of course this doesn't mean he should ignore the feedback he has received, but he shouldn't have to write what the fans tell him to write because then it wouldn't be him writing his story but him writing someone else's story.

Yes, there are a lot of shocking events and information revealed both in the novel and audio drama, but these things are giving to not only provide information to the reader/listener but to also get their attention and get them curious, so whenever the story is continued people will want to read it or play it. Obviously not everything is revealed in the Novel or in the audio drama but it does give some hints of things that will be further explored and explain in the continuation of this story (whether its a novel or a sequel game).

Personally, Tidus and Yuna having an intimate relationship sounds pretty normal. Perhaps the way Nojima went about in implying how they became intimate in the boat, might make readers think that Tidus is just being lustful or it ruins this pure relationship that Tidus and Yuna have. However, when you start thinking about why he decided to have them become intimate at such a moment, during the middle of a storm...then you can come to several conclusions....such as...

It may look like Tidus didn't care about Yuna's or his own safety, by just leaving the boat without a captain to sail it, but Yuna was hasty herself as well by taking the boat out to sea, does she even know how to sail a ship? Aside from the fact that he was turned on by her scent....I think he probably realized that she went through all this trouble, taking the boat while he was sleeping, just to be with him...and it was probably here that he realized that he also wants to be with her...so this would explain why he just takes her and leaves the boat without a sailing captain...To answer her actions, to let her know that he still cares for her in the same way that she does to him. Yes, Nojima could've set up a romantic setting for them...but I think them becoming intimate in a storm reflects how their relationship wasn't smooth sailing since the moment they met. What I mean by this is that they experience a lot of things throughout their journey and in essence they even went through a sort of separation for 2 years. Yet even with all these experiences: meeting, separating, and reuniting (sad, happy, and mad moments together) their love is still able to flourish. I guess looking at it metaphorically.... Their love still blooms like a flower in the middle of a storm. Not only do I think the storm reflects their relationship, but I guess it was also use to intensify the readers imagination of how intimate they became (very wild...I guess... ::)).

So while Nojima, could've had them become intimate in a more calm and romantic setting, having them become intimate in them middle of the storm serves a lot purposes...a reflection of their relationship, the degree of their intimacy (of course this is up to the readers interpretation), and it takes them to the unknown island to continue the story.

Well anyway that's just my interpretation so far, based on the information/summary that has been provided. Of course it was a bit shocking when I read it, but when I thought about it doesn't seem as bad as the first time reading it. Personally I like how Nojima has gone for a bit of a more mature tone with the story, after all it's been 10+ years since the release of X and X-2, so the fans who played and enjoyed the game have probably matured as well! Nonetheless for a FF game I think this would be unusual with a darker and more mature theme, hence I would prefer it be continued through some other media form (a novel, or even a movie). Also if it's continued as a novel, it will give Nojima more free rain to write the story as he would like rather than worrying if content needs to be censored or not if it were made into a game.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
Post by: Kuja9001 on January 28, 2014, 05:18:01 pm
Oh, my.


That's quite the load of new information.

I'll update the Original Post once I get my bearings on all this information. Is this a trusty source, TresDias? Or anybody else who knows about that site?

Ahh, nevermind that. After thoroughly reading, I see this is a trustworthy source. I shall update the Original Post as soon as possible.
Get the word out about this new information!

Site is very trusty, I'm from there as well.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: city on January 28, 2014, 07:28:33 pm
Honestly I am so disappointed in how this is turning out.  I am hoping that this novella never gets a Western release and therefore can't be cannon (in our market anyways).  I don't mind the audio drama as much but this is just too much for me.  My heart is broken, Tidus and Yuna's love story is what MADE FFX and to have it just destroyed for the purposes of a cash making scheme...  I am so, so disappointed.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: catnip on January 28, 2014, 10:43:26 pm
I can deal with stupid changes to Tidus' and Yuna's relationship (I never saw chemistry between them at all), but I can't with Sin coming back

that just offends me surely you jest. Like the past two games meant absolutely nothing. To erase something like that is absolutely ridiculous. I feel like they should have come up with some other big boss that could work in this whole mess of a situation. Something that could be connected to whatever it is Nojima is doing to these games.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 29, 2014, 01:39:15 am
Well, Sin coming back does have it's place in the storyline.

Sure, it would seem contrived to someone who takes account the first and second games,
but this new material provides plausible reasons for it's return
even though you may have wanted Nojima to go a completely separate route with a completely new villain.

I think there is more to this than Sin.
Sin won't be the main threat this go-around in Spira.
It'll be an asset of destruction to their adventure, yes,
but there is definitely some string-pulling going on behind the scenes here.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: city on January 29, 2014, 02:57:27 am
Hmm.  I think they could have easily created a new baddy from the Fayth who stayed around to keep Tidus for Yuna.  I always wondered at the end of X-2 if they Fayth kept dreaming to keep Tidus alive, that must've meant that other things could be too.  The Fayth could've become corrupted or... something I don't know.  But I just feel like there are a lot of better ways that this could've happened, minus Tidus' head getting blown up.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: gyigyo on January 29, 2014, 03:12:49 am
Looks like im the only one who is happy abot SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN is come back always loved to see in CG scenes and when SIN fly in battle that was cute :) :) :)
SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

the only thing i didn't liked in the audio drama was AURON have a child thats too stupid thing they just created a chuami character after 13 year later surely you jest thats so stupid...
Chuami don't even existed in FFX and FFX-2 not a single word....not to mention she is IRRITATING!
Square enix ruined SIR AURON.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on January 29, 2014, 12:06:01 pm
I don't see a problem with Sin being brought back. That doesn't undermine the value what was done before (lives were saved, the temples toppled, etc.).

And as IMD said, Sin clearly won't be the primary threat. Someone else will either be exacerbating the problem with the Farplane or taking advantage of it. Sin will likely just be an occasional obstacle in the way of dealing with that threat, as well as a source of despair as the Eternal Calm crumbles.

Quote from: CrystalofLies
For all we know, Tidus and Yuna getting along as soon as they are reunited could be considered normal in Spira's universe. If Wakka and Lulu could do it, why not Tidus and Yuna? XD

When were Wakka and Lulu separated?

Anyway, as you said, even in a fantasy title, "mild realism ... is the emotions of the characters." You can defy physics and we still buy into it, but you can't defy what we know to be human psychology and how our emotions work.

Quote from: CrystalofLies
And Tresdias, in regards to the 'Bahamut created Tidus' thing, sorry for confusing you. We see throughout X that Bahamut very likely had a connection with him that was more special than any of the other fayth. In Dream Zanarkand, only Tidus could see him. The rest of the game, only Tidus and Yuna (and Auron) are 'allowed' to see his fayth form. (Of course, other summoners could as well, but Tidus was the only non-summoner that could at that point. Maybe the others could see Bahamut, but they didn't really address it.) He was the one who explained his and Dream Zanarkand's origins, and in X-2, you can ask him to bring Tidus back/initiate the Good Ending. Since the fayth are maintaining Dream Zanarkand, it could be possible that Tidus came from the portion of Bahamut's dreaming. The other fayth do have their own forms, which you can see when you revisit the temples after leaving Zanarkand. It's just Bahamut's fayth that appears to them for some reason.

But with X-2 and the whole 'Shuyin' thing... well, it is possible that Bahamut knew Shuyin and admired him. He and Lenne were popular icons in Zanarkand back then. Tidus is pretty much an imperfect copy of Shuyin's body with his own thoughts and memories.

Bahamut's fayth wasn't part of the dreaming used to summon Dream Zanarkand. He just provides the Bahamut aeon. The fayth can see into one another's dreams, though. That's how he and the fayth of Valefor, Ixion, etc. knew of Dream Zanarkand, why it existed, etc. According to the Ultimania Omega for FFX, the fayth of Yuna's aeons would go hang out around Dream Zanarkand. Things were fine and dandy as far as they were concerned until Jecht becoming Sin made them realize how **** up it all was.

As for Shuyin, Tidus isn't based on him. Remember, 1000 years have passed since Dream Zanarkand came into being. The resident based on Shuyin has been dead for a long time. Tidus is implied to be that reimagined Shuyin's descendant, however, in X-2's Ultimania Omega.

Quote from: moonstone
So while Nojima, could've had them become intimate in a more calm and romantic setting, having them become intimate in them middle of the storm serves a lot purposes...a reflection of their relationship, the degree of their intimacy (of course this is up to the readers interpretation), and it takes them to the unknown island to continue the story.

Insightful analysis. I really enjoyed reading it.

Quote from: city
Honestly I am so disappointed in how this is turning out.  I am hoping that this novella never gets a Western release and therefore can't be cannon (in our market anyways).

It won't get released outside Japan, because these things never do. That doesn't make them any less canon, though.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: city on January 29, 2014, 03:45:41 pm
^^
Hmm great post.  I think at the end of the day I am very happy that FF X3 is (probably) happening.  I know I will enjoy the game, and I will certainly buy it and play it.  I suppose Noji will have a purpose for all he's done, so I think the best plan is to wait it out and see what happens.  But I am certainly excited to see Spira again.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: catnip on January 29, 2014, 03:51:31 pm
omg smDH @ this little **** claiming to be Auron's daughter

don't you fn touch Auron, SE
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: city on January 29, 2014, 03:54:00 pm
Hah hah yeah I'm not buying that either.  I hope that doesn't turn out.

I think it's pretty safe to say at the end of X3

Yuna is pushing Tidus away for a "greater purpose'' of possible self sacrifice?
Yuna and Tidus will be reunited
New girl and New boy will develop feelings for one another
All will be well
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: gyigyo on January 30, 2014, 05:49:50 am
omg smDH @ this little **** claiming to be Auron's daughter

don't you fn touch Auron, SE

They already did sadly and this is the end for all of us the old FFX is done to ****...
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 30, 2014, 06:24:51 pm
Just because it's provided as information doesn't mean it's truth.

Chuami could have no sustenance in that claim.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: catnip on January 30, 2014, 06:40:29 pm
This is why there is still hope.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 30, 2014, 06:50:22 pm
There's no reason to shoot the bullet at that which you know not the true nature of yet.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: catnip on January 30, 2014, 06:51:22 pm
I agree, no bullets

instead, we should kill it with fire
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 30, 2014, 07:03:31 pm
Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on January 31, 2014, 01:06:03 am
I know this got nothing to do with this, but, i just wanted to put it because i wanted to share it with you guys :-)
For the ones that havent seen this:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=whkkQFfke3A

Its the orchestral version of Suteki da ne, with a video version. It really made me crying like a baby XD, just for you to remember the beautiful moments of FFX, and to bring the nostalgia of the ones who played it

WARNING:
If one of you guys havent play the game, dont watch this, it will ruin the story for you.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 31, 2014, 09:09:26 am
Off topic, but I still can't get over how coloured Tidus' skin is in the FMVs, and how jarring it is compared to all the other times. Obviously, it wouldn't bother me if it was like that all the time, but his in-game model and all the Dissidia reincarnations after that are very pale in comparison. Heck, he's actually less tanned in X-2's Good Ending. I know it's something having to do with the in-game models and the FMV appearances being made by different teams, and that the FMV appearance is based off Nomura's original Tidus drawing in which he has a bit of a tan on him.

Is this funny to anyone else or is it just me?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on January 31, 2014, 12:12:48 pm
Off topic, but I still can't get over how coloured Tidus' skin is in the FMVs, and how jarring it is compared to all the other times. Obviously, it wouldn't bother me if it was like that all the time, but his in-game model and all the Dissidia reincarnations after that are very pale in comparison. Heck, he's actually less tanned in X-2's Good Ending. I know it's something having to do with the in-game models and the FMV appearances being made by different teams, and that the FMV appearance is based off Nomura's original Tidus drawing in which he has a bit of a tan on him.

Is this funny to anyone else or is it just me?

It is true, in dissidia, i didnt like his skin color because his default skin color is tan, he looks pale in other appareances. If they do X-3, i dont want him to be pale, i want him to be tan, it suits him better :-)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 31, 2014, 01:20:21 pm

It is true, in dissidia, i didnt like his skin color because his default skin color is tan, he looks pale in other appareances. If they do X-3, i dont want him to be pale, i want him to be tan, it suits him better :-)

I hope so, too. I actually like the insane tan on him. It suits his character and Okinawan background. They might as well give him Jecht's skin if they're gonna go with him having a headband.

I consider the FMV versions to be their 'canon' appearances if you know what I'm saying. Cause it doesn't have as many technical restrictions as the in-game ones, and I think the Asian influences on everybody makes them kinda unique and stand out. It's amazing how inconsistent Tidus' in-game and FMV form is, though. The other characters had at least some accuracy to them.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 31, 2014, 05:51:41 pm
It's not a big deal Ananda, but you can post that in the FFX board if you'd like. The delegations for music are already set there.

Not that it really matters, but I'd like the blood to eventually flow around all parts of the forum, not just pump all on the novella page.


I've noticed that before, CoL.
Tidus's skin colour always made him look
almost reddish-brown
as if a murky rust colour.

But I digress.

I can't imagine what the world of Spira would look like with all these new graphic engines and interfaces.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on January 31, 2014, 10:55:04 pm

It is true, in dissidia, i didnt like his skin color because his default skin color is tan, he looks pale in other appareances. If they do X-3, i dont want him to be pale, i want him to be tan, it suits him better :-)

I hope so, too. I actually like the insane tan on him. It suits his character and Okinawan background. They might as well give him Jecht's skin if they're gonna go with him having a headband.

I consider the FMV versions to be their 'canon' appearances if you know what I'm saying. Cause it doesn't have as many technical restrictions as the in-game ones, and I think the Asian influences on everybody makes them kinda unique and stand out. It's amazing how inconsistent Tidus' in-game and FMV form is, though. The other characters had at least some accuracy to them.

I know right? He looks better like that, and yeah, its inconsistent, do you think he is a good character?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on January 31, 2014, 11:00:58 pm
It's not a big deal Ananda, but you can post that in the FFX board if you'd like. The delegations for music are already set there.

Not that it really matters, but I'd like the blood to eventually flow around all parts of the forum, not just pump all on the novella page.


I've noticed that before, CoL.
Tidus's skin colour always made him look
almost reddish-brown
as if a murky rust colour.

But I digress.

I can't imagine what the world of Spira would look like with all these new graphic engines and interfaces.

Im sorry that i put it at the wrong forum, its just that im here just a couple of days and i just wanted to share it, it wont happen again. When i'll try to put another things like this, i will put it on the FFX forum :-)

And what do you think of X-3?   ;D
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on January 31, 2014, 11:15:31 pm
And also, i found this on youtube, its to sign a petition to make X-3, for the ones who want to do it, its here:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/make-a-final-fantasy?source=.fwd&r_by=9745571

They need 50 signatures, if you want to do it, its your choice  :D
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: gyigyo on February 01, 2014, 06:06:32 am
IN japanese FFX ending yuna  said:"thank you" in english version she said: "i love you" or i heard wrong the japanese version?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 01, 2014, 06:10:12 am
Yup.

Yuna says 'Arigatou', which means 'Thank you'.

Saying 'I love you' directly is actually offensive in Japanese culture. It's why it was changed in the English version.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: pierpaolo on February 01, 2014, 11:51:17 am
Japanese don't like love  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on February 01, 2014, 07:28:53 pm
Japanese don't like love  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

You're right, its true :-)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on February 02, 2014, 10:22:07 pm
X-3.


It's all up to Square for production allocation.
It's all up to Nojima for making it worthwhile.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on February 03, 2014, 06:30:07 pm
X-3.


It's all up to Square for production allocation.
It's all up to Nojima for making it worthwhile.

Its there only chance to make this a success, if they ruin FFX, fans will not be happy...
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Aegagropilon on February 05, 2014, 07:36:48 am
On the topic of the "BAM! Auron-daughter out of NOWHERE!" talk, I recall Kinoc saying to Auron that he (Auron) had broken an engagement with/refused to marry the high priest's daughter prior to becoming Braska's guardian. Chuami would be about the right age to be the high priest's daughter's daughter.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on February 06, 2014, 05:13:04 pm
It would hold my view of him no lower. I think it'd add more depth to Auron's character.


I know everybody likes to think of him as a badass, but creating a perfect archetype is also creating a hollow one. I want an Auron story in FFX-3.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: LM_Nova on February 07, 2014, 01:35:15 am
I had hoped if they ever did another sequel to FFX it would be about Braska's pilgrimage and we would learn more about Auron's younger days. Although I suppose they could weave that seamlessly into this FFX-3 if the storytelling is done correctly. If Chuami is indeed Auron's daughter than she would have been about four years old when he went on his first pilgrimage. One viably explanation is that Auron was dating Chuami's mother when he believed her to be killed by Sin at sea. In actuality however she washed up on an island and discovers she's pregnant with his child. By the time she's able to get in contact with him she finds out he's become Braska's guardian. Not wanting to derail him from an oath she realizes he hold's dear she allows him to remain unaware of their child.

 Auron is one of the most beloved characters in the history of Final Fantasy. If the writers establish that he was fully aware he had a daughter all along it would making him seem like a dead beat dad and diminish the character.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: gyigyo on February 08, 2014, 01:32:41 pm
Auron have an daughter idea is ugly and bad,I just dont believe it Auron never know that!
first of all even Toriyama and the other staff members don't even know chuami they created her in 2014 surely you jest...i bet they want to force her into the story "somehow Auron didnt know her/met her" her mother survived sin attacks and blablablablbla surely you jest this is one of the most uglyest story....
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: LM_Nova on February 09, 2014, 12:38:14 am
Fans want Auron back in the storyline but he needs a solid reason for being there. If the only scenario SquareEnix can conjure up is the long lost daughter routine I'll take it. Besides if they approach it correctly it won't be a bad idea.

My main request is that they improve Chuami voice actress, as it stands right now, she is indeed annoying.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: moonstone on February 09, 2014, 02:15:43 am
I've seen a few predictions here of how (a possible) X-3 might end based on what has been revealed so far from the novel and the audio drama. I did put a brief prediction in another thread, in which I thought maybe both Tidus and Yuna might die, since in x they had a separation, and in X-2 a reunion, so repeating these would be a bit pointless...This way if they both die they can be together in death...love in death...but then I realized this would also be a theme that was already cover through Shuyin and Lenne...so such an ending might not happen. Looking at the information reveal both in the novel (about the method the 2 summoners use to create a beast core) and a new "summoner" introduce in the audio drama, and how both Yuna and Kurugum left to fight Sin, I wouldn't doubt it that they will use this method to create a beast core, in which Yuna would become the summon and Kurugum the summoner. Not only will the beast core be use to defeat Sin or whoever the final boss will be, but since beast cores can pretty much summon anything (sorry not sure if I understood this information correctly), Kurugum/Yuna just might bring Dream Zanarkand back so her and Tidus can go live there....I know this is a completely crazy prediction. Such an ending might be bitter-sweet in my opinion, but personally I prefer something like this than a happy ending like the good ending from X-2, and it's not because I didn't like the ending but because I don't want to see a similar ending again.

Quote from: from: TresDias
Bahamut's fayth wasn't part of the dreaming used to summon Dream Zanarkand. He just provides the Bahamut aeon. The fayth can see into one another's dreams, though. That's how he and the fayth of Valefor, Ixion, etc. knew of Dream Zanarkand, why it existed, etc. According to the Ultimania Omega for FFX, the fayth of Yuna's aeons would go hang out around Dream Zanarkand. Things were fine and dandy as far as they were concerned until Jecht becoming Sin made them realize how **** up it all was.

I don't remember where I read this (this forum or elsewhere) or if it was even correct, but I thought that the fayth could only summon the Aeons, so wouldn't this mean Bahamut's fayth can only summon the aeon of Bahamut? How can the fayth of Bahamut summon/bring back Tidus? I would understand if it was a beast core (if I'm understanding the information correctly), because it seems they can summon pretty much anything...Could Bahamut be a beast core? I don't know why but for the longest time I've thought that Bahamut was a stolen fayth/aeon from Zanarkand, taken to Bevelle during the war...I don't know why I thought that but I was just trying to find info on that and found nothing...I guess I must've dreamed it  :-[ Can't wait to play the game again, my memory of the game is really foggy at the moment.  :D


I can understand why people are very surprised that Auron MIGHT have a daughter (Chuami), especially since it was never mentioned in X, however, I can still see it as something possible. In X Yuna and Tidus are both 17 and it had been 10 years since the calm started, so wouldn't that mean that both Tidus and Yuna are 7 when Auron, Jecht, and Braska go on their pilgrimage? If Yuna is 19 in X-2 and the audio drama takes place one year later she would have to be 20. Now, if Chuami is 17, that means she is 3 years younger than Yuna, which would mean that when Yuna and Tidus were 7, Chuami had to be 4 years old. I've also read comments that say Auron would be too young to have had a kid, however, looking at his profile in the Final Fantasy wiki, it says he is 35 during X, and 25 during Braska's pilgrimage. Now if he is 25 in the pilgrimage and has a 4 year old kid that means he had the kid when he was 21.  :o Old enough to make a baby   8)

Now if Chuami does turn out to be Auron's daughter, why did he never mention it? Well, I think this can be answered when looking at Auron's character and the story itself. If I had to describe Auron, I would say he is a man of few words, when he met up with the party he could have told them what the final aeon entailed and that Jecht was Sin...but he didn't until the party learned it for themselves. This pilgrimage was about Yuna and her guardians, where would his (possible) daughter fit in this story...I believe nowhere, hence it would be unnecessary for him to mention. In fact don't we learn about Auron through other people and the spheres that hold scenes between the trio during their journey? (Sorry I'm not sure if I'm remembering the game correctly, I want to see youtube videos but I'd rather wait until it's release to play and remember the story again, so if the information I have given is inaccurate, I apologize). :'(
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Akuwah on February 10, 2014, 04:31:32 am
Quote
Lots of new information from hitoshura at TheLifestream.net, where Pixel and I are from. He's been a translator in the FF fandom for more than ten years and was the first to provide a summary of Nojima's The Kids Are Alright FFVII novel a couple years ago:

http://thelifestream.net/lifestream-projects/translations/11751/summary-of-the-new-ffvii-novel/

He confirmed the boat sex thing between Tidus and Yuna the other day, by the way.

Wow ok, this fanart (second pic) from pixiv http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=40543279  finally makes sense now
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Light_Fury on February 10, 2014, 08:51:57 am
Quote
Lots of new information from hitoshura at TheLifestream.net, where Pixel and I are from. He's been a translator in the FF fandom for more than ten years and was the first to provide a summary of Nojima's The Kids Are Alright FFVII novel a couple years ago:

http://thelifestream.net/lifestream-projects/translations/11751/summary-of-the-new-ffvii-novel/

He confirmed the boat sex thing between Tidus and Yuna the other day, by the way.

Wow ok, this fanart (second pic) from pixiv http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=40543279  finally makes sense now

wow...and...translation of these images? :-P
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on February 10, 2014, 04:09:16 pm
moonstone: I think it's probably a good guess that Bahamut's fayth originally came from Zanarkand. Given that his fayth was installed in the temple at Bevelle, it stands to reason that his was one of the oldest, if not the oldest of those still around during FFX.

If he were from Zanarkand, that would also explain his especial interest in Dream Zanarkand and Tidus, and why he acts as the 'representative" for the others, so to speak.

He's definitely no Beast Core, though. His fayth is a stone statue like the others.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on February 13, 2014, 04:56:40 pm
Im so **** off right now, SE announced that they are not going to do X-3, they said that the new content (audio drama and novella) was only to 'expand' X's universe a little more.

IF THEY WERE NOT GOING TO DO A GAME, WHY THE HELL DID THEY MADE RUMORS!?
They have already mess X with this audio drama and novella, why SE?

Just LEAVE ALONE the story!!!!!
And thanks for ruin my dream of a good X-3. >:(
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 13, 2014, 05:01:17 pm
What!? Source, please.

I guess all the negative backlash just made them revoke their decision to make one... which is kinda sad.

But hey, the audio drama and novella can be seen as non-canon if one wishes, so everything's okay! :D

(assuming the source is legit)

However, the whole 'Beast Core' thing is pretty neat in my opinion, despite the weird name. Of course, it could just be used by fanfiction writers as an excuse to bring back Dream Zanarkand for their ultimate TidusxYuna fluff. But I'm seeing some potential in a story there. The 'sex method' is still kind of controversial, but yeah, still some potential. Those redesigns of Tidus and Yuna could be either fanservice or their 'real' looks in the future. Or Nomura just got bored. I have no idea why they threw in the whole romance drama bit. Maybe Square Enix for some reason, despite the critical acclaim the couple has, doesn't really want Tidus and Yuna together. :(

Also Tidus' near impossible nature, Farplane troubles, long lost daughters, all fanfiction material. Hey, maybe Nojima was being smart after all! We have to write our own story surrounding these events. Kazu, you sneaky son of a shoopuf.

If you're right, looks like I've been getting all worked up over nothing. But for everybody else, I guess they all have a right to be angry. Just drop another ambiguous 'ending' with tons of questions raised and none answered.

However, if the source's fake, I'll regret ever posting this.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on February 13, 2014, 05:18:03 pm
If that's true, this forum will sink like a ship. All this speculation for naught.

If any of you have any sources or heresay, please post.


Truthfully, after all this,
it'd be pretty disappointing not to see an X-3.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on February 13, 2014, 06:00:16 pm
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/02/square-enix-still-has-no-plans-for-final-fantasy-xii-hd-says-fans-need-to-demand-it/

I know the title says XII, but it also announces that X-3 project is history :-(
They even said that XII HD wasnt going to happen, unless fans demand it, they have become really meanies, Kitase said he was going to consider XII HD (not that i care, i only care for X but still, its unfair for fans)

Internal Medicine Doctor and CrystalOfLies: youre totally right, we have been warming up for a game that wont even exist, and future of the forum, maybe it'ill go downhill :-(
I would have like a X-3 :-(
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on February 13, 2014, 06:15:03 pm
http://kotaku.com/no-final-fantasy-x-3-on-the-way-in-an-interview-with-s-1521996804

Here's another link, it is confirm *sigh* no X-3 anymore, unless it goes out as book, even a movie, but not a game :-(
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: LM_Nova on February 14, 2014, 12:27:03 am
Don't despair just yet kids. While it might  be a few years off I still believe this game has a decent shot of being made. Why? Why the hell would SE go through the changes of not only re-releasing the game and its sequel in HD, a written novel, and a audio drama (which they've gotten the original English voice actors for) if they weren't going to make another game. Why waste time and money stirring up interest? Like someone at the company stated early on "the fans have to demand it". People shout loudest for what they can't have and this could very well be a marketing strategy. Nobody gives a damn about Lightning; people freakin' return copies of FFXIII and FFXIII-2 in droves and Square Enix doesn't seem the least bit detoured. This is a story however that people are at least invested in.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: halez on February 14, 2014, 01:44:34 am
I hope you're right... I mean it's kind of cruel for Squeenix to build something up like that to just say "surely you jest jk"

Not that I was happy with the direction the drama and novella were taking the series in, but after all the effort they put into the supposed revival of the X saga, I was hoping at least for some answers.  X is my favorite and X-2 got me into FF so I'm very protective of and enthusiastic about the games. But in all truth, this whole new scenario was kind of laughable to me. Whatever the outcome I was prepared to either accept it if it was well done, or deny it all if not surely you jest. But now it looks like I won't get the chance for either   :-\
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 14, 2014, 04:21:33 am
Come on guys, don't be so pessimistic about the forum's future.

We could still turn this into the ultimate FFX/X-2 speculation forum, complete with translated Ultimanias, translations of the Yevon/Spiran/Al Bhed scripts in the game, long lost concept art, (I still have those dresspheres to translate :/) raw textures from the game and just a fun and relaxed hangout for us avid FFX fans. Heck, maybe we could attract the attention of some of the English voice actors. (Haha, I wish.)

As for the 'not X-3' board... we still gotta translate that novel to get more information out of it. Or maybe the part where Yuna escapes the island is the end of the novel. Who knows.

Which begs the question, why couldn't they just make the audio drama into a happy lighthearted epilogue for our characters instead of a HUGE series of plot holes that will probably never be answered? Maybe they made the drama with the former intention of testing the waters for an X-3, but then jumped backwards when they found out that it was ridden with angry sharks.

I wonder if they'll remove the drama in the English release... probably not.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: sinuba on February 14, 2014, 09:08:42 am
Square Enix also said they had no plans to make FF XIII-3, so...We can expect the announce of Tidus Returns: Finall Fantasy X.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 14, 2014, 09:34:29 am
Or 'Final Fantasy X: -insert witty/deep title with the word 'dream' here-'

But yeah, Lightning Returns technically wasn't XIII-3. It was just kinda to set things right after XIII-2's bombshell ending, while bringing everyone back to life for some reason. It was also a pretty short game compared to the last two if you leave out the sidequests and such. Who's to say that this not-likely X-3 won't go along the same road?

I still stand by my idea of a FFX spinoff title taking place in the Farplane. (Pfft, Braska's pilgrimage? Nah.) Then you could explain the advantages and disadvantages of being dead in Spira. Might as well seeing as how poor Tidus is barely human anymore.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on February 14, 2014, 10:01:52 am
I feel this is a decision that will eventually be worked over.

They set up the audio drama for the presentation of the new game; and, as someone stated before, they even had the original Japanese voice actors. It seems unlikely that they wouldn't make an X-3 after all of this, even if the intention wasn't immediately there. XIII-3 did technically happen in some incarnation, so this seems likely that it will also follow a similar path.


As for the Ultimate FFX/X-2 forum, I'll all for that. We could dedicate our activities to now creating a enormously helpful symposium of information about both games, and growing our memberanks for old and new players alike, especially when the HD Remaster comes out.
And, like CoL said, a general hangout to discuss and question about the game we all love very much in a comfortable atmosphere with likeminded, fun people.

Who likes that idea?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 14, 2014, 11:10:15 am

As for the Ultimate FFX/X-2 forum, I'll all for that. We could dedicate our activities to now creating a enormously helpful symposium of information about both games, and growing our memberanks for old and new players alike, especially when the HD Remaster comes out.
And, like CoL said, a general hangout to discuss and question about the game we all love very much in a comfortable atmosphere with likeminded, fun people.

Who likes that idea?

Exactly.

We could get someone to extract raw texture files for further examination upon them, such as hard-to-read Yevon/Spiran exempts and little details like that. (Believe it or not, even the NPCs have clever little details on them. There's a video floating around on Youtube showcasing this with the FFX Model Viewer) Also, I recall those two radar screens in Tidus' house when you go there in his dream sequence. They interest me for some reason. Too bad I can't really read them.

Also, fanart competitions. We could design dresspheres, and show them to everybody on the forum. Best. Idea. Ever! I get giddy just thinking about it. Also, the Ultimania had a brief timeline of the FFX universe dating back to approx. 3000 years ago. (something to do with the discovery of machina or something)

Internal has a good point, though. Why would they go through the trouble of getting the original voice cast back for something so trivial? They managed to get back the English voice cast, too. And though I still have a bit of a grudge against the audio drama, (Chuami's remarks against Lulu are so horribly hilarious. I see they kept the original charm of FFX's dialogue) I really want to hear how James Arnold Taylor handles Tidus' character in this. He did a great job in Dissidia and especially 012. I imagine he's only gotten better.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: LM_Nova on February 14, 2014, 12:52:55 pm
Also remember that FFX-2 started much in the same fashion, with the additional ending in the International game. Square Enix had said than too that there were no plans for a sequel but fan response was so overwhelming that they pursued it. The reason why FFX was so approachable versus doing a sequel to other games like VII, VIII, or IX was because the world was already built and all they had to do was reincorporate the characters (this was there stated reason). This in mind one has to conclude that releasing the game in HD is setting the stage for a another sequel on another platform.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 14, 2014, 01:13:02 pm
Also remember that FFX-2 started much in the same fashion, with the additional ending in the International game. Square Enix had said than too that there were no plans for a sequel but fan response was so overwhelming that they pursued it. The reason why FFX was so approachable versus doing a sequel to other games like VII, VIII, or IX was because the world was already built and all they had to do was reincorporate the characters (this was there stated reason). This in mind one has to conclude that releasing the game in HD is setting the stage for a another sequel on another platform.

Also, I recall hearing that just a week after the release of X-2, that SE wanted to do an X-3 as well. Originally, there were going to be two games. X-2 displayed Yuna's POV of the events after X, and X-3 would do the same only with Rikku instead. They haven't said a word about it since. Maybe because of all the negative attention X-2 got in the West. (Though it was really well received in Japan. Perhaps moreso than X.)

There are no clear points as to if Square will keep their word or not. They're known for having a track record of producing sequels which they previously had no desire for. However, the Eternal Calm prologue reception was positive. (at least in Japan) However, not even the Japanese fans like the contents of the novella. Maybe the same goes for Will. So there's still the possibility of not being one.

Maybe they'll display X-3 on the big screen for X's 15th anniversary, much like VII with Advent Children. For now, all we can do is the same for the novella: wait.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on February 14, 2014, 02:21:06 pm
On the note of translations, we've lost both of our own.

KaminaSan has been MIA for quite a while now. I doubt his priorities lie in translation; it's safe to say he's jumped the boat.

Pixel has declined to translate further; the material in the novella was not worthy of all the work needed to translate it, he said.


Only Chapter 1 has been translated. If you guys want, I can post the transcript for viewing.
However, it looks as if further novella translation will have to be derived from foreign sources.

CoL, if you have any further ideas as to which the forum can do, such as the dressphere contest, please don't hesitate in sending me a message. I'd like to discuss these things you have in mind.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 14, 2014, 02:55:33 pm
Sure thing! We may have to wait until the forum gets more attention, though. Otherwise, we could just display our dressphere designs in the Fanart thread.

Also, egad, Internal! What's happening to the main page?

Never mind, there was some anti-hotlink picture from Blizzard of all things on the FFX board. :/
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on February 14, 2014, 04:26:45 pm
Speaking of forum popularity, I'd ask humbly for all of you who care to spread the word of this place.
It could truly become a great symposium of information, and a really fun community as well.
I hear tumblr is a good place for encouraging people to jump on board things. I'm not awfully engrained in the social media circles.

I added an icon to the FFX board. Seeing as how FFX-3 won't be the selling point any longer, some liberties need to be taken in flowing life through this place.


I do hope they follow through a la Lightning Returns, though.
This potential game has too much prospect to be shot down now.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Aristoteles on February 14, 2014, 04:43:50 pm
On the note of translations, we've lost both of our own.

KaminaSan has been MIA for quite a while now. I doubt his priorities lie in translation; it's safe to say he's jumped the boat.

Pixel has declined to translate further; the material in the novella was not worthy of all the work needed to translate it, he said.


Only Chapter 1 has been translated. If you guys want, I can post the transcript for viewing.
However, it looks as if further novella translation will have to be derived from foreign sources.

CoL, if you have any further ideas as to which the forum can do, such as the dressphere contest, please don't hesitate in sending me a message. I'd like to discuss these things you have in mind.

I'd be willing to translate if someone could send me some scans. I'm probably going to buy the novella as well, this thread has spiked my curiosity.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on February 14, 2014, 04:50:56 pm
Well, now that unffortunately X-3 won't exist, you guys actually made me happy with the new ideas of an amazinX/X-2 forum, its sounds fun!
And the idea of the dresspheres is amazing, thanks guys for cheering me up :-)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on February 14, 2014, 08:43:34 pm
IMD, you should go ahead and post the transcript of the first chapter. For those curious here, as a "selling point" for your forum and to maybe draw folks interested in sharing translation efforts.

Quote from: LM_Nova
Don't despair just yet kids. While it might  be a few years off I still believe this game has a decent shot of being made. Why? Why the hell would SE go through the changes of not only re-releasing the game and its sequel in HD, a written novel, and a audio drama (which they've gotten the original English voice actors for) if they weren't going to make another game. Why waste time and money stirring up interest? Like someone at the company stated early on "the fans have to demand it". People shout loudest for what they can't have and this could very well be a marketing strategy. Nobody gives a damn about Lightning; people freakin' return copies of FFXIII and FFXIII-2 in droves and Square Enix doesn't seem the least bit detoured. This is a story however that people are at least invested in.

I like your optimism, but it's not really solid reasoning. It isn't a waste of time or money for SE because a) the book sold and they barely had to pay anyone for that, and b) the audio drama being included is a bonus incentive for people who bought the original games to buy the HD Remaster.

It's not like they won't be seeing a return on the effort.

Hell, look at The Kids Are Alright. That hasn't led to a new FFVII game, even with the cliffhanger from Dirge of Cerberus's secret ending.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: LM_Nova on February 15, 2014, 12:46:34 am
Dirge of Cerberus' was a hot mess, fans in the east and west agreed on that one. FFX has a solid core of loyal fans who would be all to eager to revisit the world of Spira especially in light of the disappointing string of games that have been released in its wake. But given Square Enix history to veer left (i.e Dirge Of Cerberus) maybe the introduction of Chuami would be a launching pad for Auron to get his own game! Now I'd pay good money to play that  ;D
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on February 15, 2014, 11:54:00 am
To be fair, FFVII has at least an equally solid core group of fans who would be eager to see a conclusion to that series.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: LM_Nova on February 15, 2014, 12:58:18 pm
In all fairness FFVII got more attention than any other FF game ever produced, a theatrical sequel and two platform games (three if you count Before Crises). Pretty much all the main questions about the game have been addressed where as in FFX there's still much that is unexplained. In that aspect a prequel could make more sense than a sequel. Look at Crisis Core, we all knew how that game was going to end and it was still great! The developers seemed less concerned about catering to fan service unlike FFX-2 which was mainly a giant mini game with the girls running around in skimpy outfits. And there were times when it deliberately avoided giving explanations to pressing mysteries.
There is lots of money to be made here still and if we get some great material out of it I'll be thrilled.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on February 15, 2014, 02:30:34 pm
In all fairness FFVII got more attentiom than any other FF game ever produced ...

Of course it did. No question. But that's not what we were discussing. I was responding to your reasoning that SE is playing a coy game and actually had definite plans for a new game (the time and money spent argument, and the appeal to there being a solid fanbase), as they are seeing a return on their investment for the former and the latter doesn't seem to have mattered in FFVII's case, even where there has been a major cliffhanger dangling for eight years.

Quote from: LM_Nova
Pretty much all the main questions about the game have been addressed ...

Except a conclusion to the story. =P

Quote from: LM_Nova
... where as in FFX there is still much that is unexplained.

Do you have some examples? I can't think of any lingering oddities that weren't addressed by the Ultimanias.

It was odd in X-2 that nobody talked about doing sendings, but the audio drama has taken care of even that now.

What little mysteries there may be otherwise (I really can't think of any eating at my brain these past 10+ years) don't amount to an unfinished story. X-2 tied everything up neatly until -Eternal Cost- and -Will- came along.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: LM_Nova on February 16, 2014, 01:45:20 am
One big example is the FFX FFVII connection. In FFX-2 it was heavily implied that Spira is in fact the same world that FFVII takes place in. The boy genius of the Gullwings who bears the future company's name was last spoken of working on a major project with entrepreneur extraordinary Rin. Remember when Shinra stated that it was possible to harness vast amounts of energy from the Farplane and Yuna envisioning a huge city of lights? It could be the major point of contention in FFX-3. After all in the game Rin was shown to have flexible morals when it came to ensuring the progress of machina.

Speaking of the Farplane that’s another unsolved mystery. During all of FFX-2 the Farplane was said to be unstable resulting in it being non accessible. I do recall a NPC explaining that the only people that could fix the problem were the Guado, but due to the fact that they weren't in Guadosalam at that point it couldn't be done. Just what was the problem exactly? How was it, if ever, resolved?

Square is playing a "coy game" because they want to be as certain as possible that fans are going to buy another FFX sequel before they invest time and money into making a full-fledged game. They won't waste time if fans are lukewarm to the idea. I think they finally got the message with Lightning; if fans don't find the character engaging they’re not going to care about them no matter how "cool" they look on the surface.  Final Fantasy is Square Enix flagship game series, but due to poor direction its lost serious clout over the years. It's to the point where even their most loyal fans are leery of anything new they put out. So yeah, the developers are going to be inclined to go back to the well and expand the story of past successful games because fans are invested in those character and they want to woo folks back.
On the issue of VII you can’t compare it to X in regards of a concluding the story because it was done in Advent Children. Square went off on some wild tangent in Dirge Of Cerberus. Also, and I think many share my opinion; Square Enix (not Square) has all but ruined Cloud. I don’t know who this whining, brooding emo poser is but MY Cloud dressed in drag, went on awkward dates and said “let’s mosey”.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on February 16, 2014, 11:03:00 pm
Shinra's descendants establish the Shin-Ra Company on another world (FFVII's world) thousands of years later. This is explained in a couple of the Ultimanias. Cid Highwind's Shera airship belonged to the Spiran settlers. These aren't really loose ends.

The Farplane's instability in X-2 was caused by Shuyin, if I recall correctly. His malice warped even the fayth when they went to stop him.

Quote from: LM_Nova
On the issue of VII you can’t compare it to X in regards of a concluding the story because it was done in Advent Children. Square went off on some wild tangent in Dirge Of Cerberus. Also, and I think many share my opinion; Square Enix (not Square) has all but ruined Cloud. I don’t know who this whining, brooding emo poser is but MY Cloud dressed in drag, went on awkward dates and said “let’s mosey."

Well, regardless of your personal opinion of Dirge, Genesis or Crisis Core, the fact remains that the story is incomplete while X's was perfectly wrapped up with no loose ends.

As for Cloud, he was neither whiney nor emo. He did the opposite of that. Whiney/emo people ***** to anyone who will listen and tend to complain incessantly about inconsequential bull****. Cloud shut himself off from the people he loved, whom he felt unworthy of, while he was dying and unable to find a cure for his dying adopted son. He was faced with those crushing developments while trying to recover from the survivor's guilt he felt regarding two other people he loved whose deaths he blamed himself for.

He didn't share his feelings with anyone until Tifa blessed him out, so I don't know where you're getting "emo" from. Advent Children depicts the last day in almost two years of emotional anguish and soul-searching.

And if you don't think being terminally ill yourself, feeling useless because you can't help your terminally ill child and being wracked with guilt over two other people you love being dead are valid reasons to brood -- well, I don't know what to tell you. It's going to be pretty impossible for us to have a constructive conversation if those emotions amount to being "whiney" in your eyes.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: LM_Nova on February 17, 2014, 01:10:56 am

And if you don't think being terminally ill yourself, feeling useless because you can't help your terminally ill child and being wracked with guilt over two other people you love being dead are valid reasons to brood -- well, I don't know what to tell you. It's going to be pretty impossible for us to have a constructive conversation if those emotions amount to being "whiney" in your eyes.

My negative feelings towards Cloud in the way he is being portrayed in the progressing story of VII does not limit my capacity to hold a constructive conversation. But that’s not what our discussion is about. We were debating the validity of another FFX sequel.
The fact of the matter is at the end of both games (VII and X) the stories were complete. All the central conflicts involving the protagonist were solved.

However, that’s the point of sequels, to expand characters and put them in new situations and conditions that allow them to grow and change. The different on screen dimensions they face breathe new life into familiar territory. We as fans may react begrudgingly to the changes but ultimately they make the characters more complex and interesting….if only to **** and moan about them. ;)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on February 17, 2014, 06:47:28 pm
Quote from: LM_Nova
The fact of the matter is at the end of both games (VII and X) the stories were complete. All the central conflicts involving the protagonist were solved.

Are you talking about FFVII or the overall Compilation of FFVII? I really don't know how one could look at Crisis Core and then Dirge's ending and think there's a resolution there.

If your concern is more with the central conflicts of the protagonist(s), even then there are dangling threads from Dirge and CC. Zack let Genesis live. Whatever Genesis does now is a result of two things: whatever "lesson" he took from that experience in the Banora Underground and Zack letting him live.

One would think this significant for Cloud in light of him being Zack's "living legacy." Genesis's awakening is also clearly a result of the events of Dirge (i.e. the planet has awoken him to serve some purpose after what happened with Omega).

This story is not finished, so I have to affirm that FFVII made more sense as grounds for another title than FFX. At this point, they are both on even ground, but prior to -Eternal Cost- and -Will-, FFVII was the only one of the two that would be an intuitive choice.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: LM_Nova on February 18, 2014, 02:05:50 am

Are you talking about FFVII or the overall Compilation of FFVII?

When I mentioned FFVII I meant the very first game before SE decided to make it a compilation series.

Don’t be deceived by the torch I hold for FFX, I would love to see a real full blown sequel to FFVII just as much as anyone else but that is extremely unlikely. As I’ve stated in the past it all boils down to time. In order to create a game that depicts a sprawling planet without restriction that meet fans expectations as a true successor to the original game it would take a couple of years. Square Enix is seemly refusing to do this because it would detract efforts from the other games their producing chiefly FFXV. Basically the only way SE is going to touch VII (remake or sequel) is if they don’t hit a home run with XV.

I think that is the reason why developers are laying the ground work to continue the story of X and draw old fans back in. Their saving Final Fantasy VII as their last resort.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on February 18, 2014, 10:40:46 pm
Yoshinori Kitase has an extremely out-of-touch view of gaming and gamers:

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/02/17/square-enix-producer-kitase-on-lightning-returns-reviews-hd-rem/

He really thinks it would take ten years to make a full-sized game in VII's world. That would only be the case because he's a graphics ****.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on February 19, 2014, 02:27:15 pm
What's that word you used?

I thought there wasn't a censor in place.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: OLKv5 on February 19, 2014, 02:42:56 pm
When the translator said the novel isn't worth translating, does that mean that he didn't like what he read?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 19, 2014, 02:47:50 pm
When the translator said the novel isn't worth translating, does that mean that he didn't like what he read?

I think he meant that there wasn't any filler in the novel that was really interesting. Don't forget that translating Japanese is very hard work, considering that there are three sub-languages within it. (Hiragana, katakana, kanji) So far, I agree. Apart from the 'Tidus is feeling lonely' part (I actually feel pretty sorry for him. :() and the illusion talk, there's nothing really of interest in the first chapter so far. Of course, the madness starts on the island. But it probably takes until halfway into the book to get there.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on February 19, 2014, 04:00:30 pm
What's that word you used?

I thought there wasn't a censor in place.

I said "w-h-o-r-e" that time. The forum has censored me a number of times lately, but didn't a couple of weeks back when I said "f-u-c-k." Now it does censor **** and everything else.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on February 19, 2014, 06:46:19 pm
When the translator said the novel isn't worth translating, does that mean that he didn't like what he read?

I think he meant that there wasn't any filler in the novel that was really interesting. Don't forget that translating Japanese is very hard work, considering that there are three sub-languages within it. (Hiragana, katakana, kanji) So far, I agree. Apart from the 'Tidus is feeling lonely' part (I actually feel pretty sorry for him. :() and the illusion talk, there's nothing really of interest in the first chapter so far. Of course, the madness starts on the island. But it probably takes until halfway into the book to get there.

Although that's a nice way of looking at it, Pixel simply didn't like what he was reading.
It disgusted him, and he said he might very well stop. He did shortly after he made that comment.


What's that word you used?

I thought there wasn't a censor in place.

I said "w-h-o-r-e" that time. The forum has censored me a number of times lately, but didn't a couple of weeks back when I said "f-u-c-k." Now it does censor **** and everything else.

There may be an automatic censor. I'll do some tweaking and see if I can't do some custom bypassing.
--
Alright, I looked into it a bit and the censor is inherently unavoidable. Once ads are initiated, an unmovable censor is put in place. You can bypass having a word censored by putting . between the letters of the word, so the censor won't detect it. You can do this with any character, but using . makes the character unnoticeable.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: TresDias on February 20, 2014, 06:17:44 am
Thanks for looking into it. I'm glad you enabled ads, though. I got a $130 phone for $30 through Cricket Wireless because of them. =P

My contract with Verizon is up this month, so ... this is on topic, right? XD
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 20, 2014, 09:33:36 am

Although that's a nice way of looking at it, Pixel simply didn't like what he was reading.
It disgusted him, and he said he might very well stop. He did shortly after he made that comment.

Man, now I'm even more curious. 'Disgusted' is a pretty strong word, you know.

Do you have any more passages that he or KaminaSan translated? I wonder if there's anything specific that made him quit, if it wasn't the boat sex or the island or Yuna's supposed cold nature. Maybe it's something in the Boy's Side.

Looks like we still have a lo~ng ride ahead of us.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on February 20, 2014, 04:18:23 pm
I've only uploaded what official translating work the two had done; nothing more past that.

There were very brief talks about the material later in the book from their own mouths, but since they were from a perspective of the reader I won't post them.


Needless to say, there is something later on in this book that seems to perturb many people.
We'll find that out soon enough; if you guys stick with the site, you shouldn't have to wait long.

Also I've never heard of a case of helpful ads.
That's interesting to know.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on February 21, 2014, 11:14:47 pm
Just thinking that he said that he was disgusted by it, makes me think, how could they destroy such a beautiful story?, i really didnt like that we should get disgusted by it, there is something on that book that freaked people out.
So if this is continuing like this, and if the translated pages give us even worst content, i'll l just think that the audio drama and novella does not exist, and that the X series finishes oficially in Last Mission, where it tells that Tidus and Yuna live happily in Besaid.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 22, 2014, 04:44:30 am
Just thinking that he said that he was disgusted by it, makes me think, how could they destroy such a beautiful story?, i really didnt like that we should get disgusted by it, there is something on that book that freaked people out.
So if this is continuing like this, and if the translated pages give us even worst content, i'll l just think that the audio drama and novella does not exist, and that the X series finishes oficially in Last Mission, where it tells that Tidus and Yuna live happily in Besaid.

The funniest part is the fact that the main character's head getting blown off isn't even the worst thing about the novel if we are to believe this.

I know I'm just going to get angry about all these translations, but the thing is... I can't look away. This whole thing can be summed up by the 'train-wreck/car explosion' analogy. You know it's going to be horrible, but you can't stop wanting more.

Needless to say, I'm looking forward to the next train-wreck. Aren't you?

Because this is probably the most unfortunately exciting thing that's ever happened to FFX in years.
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Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on February 22, 2014, 06:03:16 pm
Needless to say, I'm looking forward to the next train-wreck. Aren't you?

Because this is probably the most unfortunately exciting thing that's ever happened to FFX in years.

This sums it up very well.

Attention is attention.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: catnip on March 02, 2014, 03:52:03 pm
Is there a way to subscribe to the chapter translations thread?
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Post by: catnip on March 02, 2014, 04:04:17 pm
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I had hoped if they ever did another sequel to FFX it would be about Braska's pilgrimage and we would learn more about Auron's younger days

as a game, this would be a waste of money for the production team. We all know what happens.

but it would be worthwhile as a DLC I think
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Post by: LM_Nova on March 04, 2014, 11:36:40 am

as a game, this would be a waste of money for the production team. We all know what happens.

but it would be worthwhile as a DLC I think

I disagree totally and one only needs to play FFVII: Crises Core to know why. The whole game revolves around Zack, a minor character in FFVII who we only see in flash backs. In the prequel new characters are created that help define the originals. By seeing the story through their eyes rather than someone else we gain a new prospective on the events that took place and what influenced them to make certain choices. Although fans are aware of Zack's ultimate fate it becomes all the more heart breaking because we do see the extant of the progress of the characters involved.
 
While in FFX the Jecht Sphere's do outline the pilgrimage a game could do more than just fill in the blanks. After all Braska, Jecht and Auron obviously had interesting lives long before they got together to take down Sin.
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Post by: Akuwah on March 05, 2014, 07:07:45 am
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Do you have any more passages that he or KaminaSan translated? I wonder if there's anything specific that made him quit, if it wasn't the boat sex or the island or Yuna's supposed cold nature. Maybe it's something in the Boy's Side.

w0w cant w8 to read more translations if theres any, when was the last time i read about something and felt disgusted about it hmm  :-\

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Is there a way to subscribe to the chapter translations thread?


There's a notify button next to 'reply' so I assume that's the subscription button? I have been receiving e-mail notifications whenever someone replies to this thread but I've stopped receiving them recently... probably because I rarely clicked on the links, let alone post in this thread  :-\
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Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 05, 2014, 02:41:17 pm
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Do you have any more passages that he or KaminaSan translated? I wonder if there's anything specific that made him quit, if it wasn't the boat sex or the island or Yuna's supposed cold nature. Maybe it's something in the Boy's Side.

w0w cant w8 to read more translations if theres any, when was the last time i read about something and felt disgusted about it hmm  :-\

W-was that supposed to be sarcastic? D: Your text somewhat implies it...

So who wants to bet that Ifernal will be one of the villains of X-3 if it ever comes to light, if not the main villain? His name's one letter short of being 'infernal.' Plus he's a god-like spirit (infernal can mean demonic as well as evil), and he has the power to lock away memories...

-clicks fingers- Aha! I got it! Ifernal is Yu Yevon's long lost son! XD Take that, Chuami!
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Post by: halez on March 09, 2014, 04:35:01 pm
So close to the English release now! Hopefully that will spark some call to action and we'll at least get answers.
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Post by: Ananda on March 12, 2014, 08:59:19 pm
COUNTDOWN!!!
6 days left my friends!!!
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Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 13, 2014, 01:41:06 pm
5 days. 5 more stinkin' days...

It's funny because I have the rest of my exams next week so I probably won't be as excited for it. XD

I hope that, with the English release, more people will find this forum and will contribute more to the community. There are gonna be tons of video game sites pitching their two cents onto the audio drama, and even the novel if we get lucky. It sure is gonna be funny reading all of those rants. :3

I'm pretty pumped for the English dubbed version of Will, anyway. One of my favourite voice actors is in it (James Arnold Taylor as Tidus) and we'll get to hear Chuami's jabs against Lulu's... um, posture. Unfortunately, those who aren't as crazy and impatient as us will have to experience the lukewarm feelings we had for this drama and the novel. Prepare your barricades.

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Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on March 23, 2014, 01:53:45 am
Jesus, I just read through the translation of the first chapter. It's SO bad! I just, I don't even. Yuna hardly says anything the entire chapter and Tidus is lonely because she won't have anything to do with him because of "village elders". WTF? Where did they even come from and why would they be SO grumpy? Nothing like that was relevant in X-2, she was able to do as she pleased and as she should - she should have at least had the balls/desire to go to Tidus at some point but she doesn't. God, and everyone was being so generally mean. I can't believe how bad this is and it's just chapter 1. Wow.
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Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 23, 2014, 03:18:22 am
I know. Everybody just has a mean tone in this chapter, apart from Tidus and Paine, oddly. Lulu's all like 'You better make a good impression on those elders' to him. The elders don't even know who he is (Which is odd, because... you know, Tidus pretty much killed himself to save their asses) and he even has to tell them that he's a legendary guardian. Even then, they don't like him. I guess Wakka, Lulu or Yuna didn't bother to tell them about his great sacrifice. You'd think Yuna would spend the rest of the night with him instead of sucking up to the elders all day. What could she possibly be talking to them about that's so important as to ignore your resurrected soul mate all day? Rikku's a lot more ****ier than usual. "The fayth didn't bring you back! Yuna did! Be grateful!" And then Wakka's all like 'Durrr, are you really the real thing? You were an illusion the last time!' which makes Tidus paranoid for himself.

I feel really sorry for Tidus. He realised that he has a bunch of selfish jerks for family. No wonder he's lonely.
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Post by: kk on March 23, 2014, 05:05:20 pm
Well, the tone in the first chapter reminds me of The Eternal Calm video. In that video, we see Lulu and Wakka helping Yuna as she acts as High Summoner. That means, she still needs to act very prim and proper and stuff, and she was meeting with pilgrims who came to see her/the temple at Besaid and being proposed to by high-ranking officials all over the place, sooo...

I don't know, I got the sense she was very much stuck in her role as High Summoner while in Besaid. Trapped, almost, which is part of why she went with Rikku on her journey. She 'wanted more', as she said.

Therefore, I don't think how she acts in Besaid, being shooed off by village elders, is uncharacteristic. Besaid still sees her as The High Summoner. The people of the village are very traditional. After all, they become the headquarters of the Yevoners.

I mean, clearly in X-2 she 'wanted more' and she's learned to embrace sticking up for herself and her own wants, but even still, she cares so much about Spira and tries not to offend and basically is a people pleaser. She DID sign up to be a summoner, and thus she's probably accepted her responsibilities as High Summoner, especially now that her adventure with the Gullwings is over. But, apparantly, they end up staeling off into the night on a ship, so she does, EVENTUALLY, put her foot down and break away from the village elder's attempts to groom her back into the perfect little summoner.

Idk. I just don't think that's necessarily OOC.

But I also don't think it's not weird that they would be a little wary of him. They still probably see him as the reckless youth who ran into the temple and disturbed her. I'm not sure that Yuna and co. would exactly explain to Spira what happened. After all, the whole dream story stuff must have been hard to explain to outsiders, and Yuna probably wouldn't want to talk about it a million times to every interviewer or perosn who came to visit, not while she's grieiving. You saw how nosy Shelinda and others were in X-2 !
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Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on March 23, 2014, 07:38:09 pm
^ I think the whole "elders" thing came out of left field. When you first visit Besaid in X-2, the villagers are surprised and glad to see Yuna again when you talk to them, but no one makes a b-line for Yuna. She comes and goes as she pleases - there's no mention of elders or otherwise overly crotchety people. There are also a lot of half-naked people in Besaid (which makes sense considering it's a tropical island and all) and I don't recall anyone shooing them off to change (she may be still considered High Summoner, but I don't recall anyone having the audacity to order her around like they own her). What's going on in this first chapter feels cultish and dark. I don't think the Eternal Calm video was awesome by any means (it was stuffy and pretty boring), but it certainly made more sense for there to be an air of melancholy there than at the close of X-2 - when Yuna and co saved the world and she got back her man.

It should be a time to rejoice and feel like a family reunion, but no one's acting like that. It's a question of tact and taste. This book was not tastefully done by any means and a lot of it feels inappropriate. If it's in-character for Yuna to lose all her backbone and treat Tidus like he's at the bottom of her priority list, then I'm not sure I like her (basically, all of X-2 is being ignored here).  I don't think that Yuna and co would have gone into detail about him being a dream, but I do think he would have at least been mentioned a few times with respect.

And what's more is that people who've read the book have consistently mentioned Yuna's coldness towards Tidus. I didn't think it was going to be a factor so soon in the story, but low and behold. No, it's not a direct coldness, but it's there and it's floating in the air like an ominous fog. I don't sense love emanating from anyone, (they need sensitivity training) and I don't think there's any justification for that. When even Rikku, the eternal ball of sunshine (who I thought loved Tidus like her own Al Bhed kin) doesn't hug Tidus and even gets mad and snaps on him for saying something pretty innocent, I don't know how anyone could say this stuff ain't OOC. I've seen bad fan-fiction similar to this, where the author makes a **** out of everyone and the result is Tidus wondering why he was brought back at all.

I shouldn't be feeling that kind of vibe from this, it's disgusting. And this is only the first chapter, and we know what happens from there - nothing good, nothing logical or heroic or fitting for the two main protagonists who we're supposed to like and root for. I can't make a move to defend any of it - from the plot devices to the atmosphere to the characterizations - nothing feels right to me. Apparently some fans want a game/story wrought with omnipresent darkness and angst - I don't.
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Post by: kk on March 24, 2014, 10:53:34 am
Well, there is at least oNE old lady I recall (I think in the temple) that when you talk to them, she expresses her dismay at the way Yuna is acting. And another younger one who judges Yuna's apparal (WHILE WALKING AROUND IN THE EQUIVALENT OF BUTT-LESS CHAPS). I think the Yevonite's still expect Yuna to uphold a certain image, basically... that of a Yevonite. Dumb, ofc, because after what Yevon did to her, why should she? But we see in X-2 that they're not exactly the most thoughtful bunch. And there are certain standards of dress that apply to high-ranking yevonites, it appears. While the rest of Spira is barely clothed, yevonites with rank (shelinda, maesters, everyone you see in Bevelle and the temples) all seem to be wearing heavy robes. Yuna, a apprentice summoner, was somewhere in between. She still looked Besaidian, but her clothes were also pretty non-revealing. Issaru and Belgemine and Ginnem all wear big robes. (Dona said fuq the police.) ANYWAY-- even besides the clothes, in eternal calm, she is really upholding all of this being a good public official thing. I can see how going back to besaid for good could sort of put them all in clucking hens mode. Before, she was still a Gullwing. She still was kind of bucking against her responsibilities as High SUmmoner. But now, she's returning home for good, and maybe she feels like, 'wellll i guess i DO kind of have to settle down at least a little'. Granted, I agree that totally not talking the person who just returned for several hours is very very strange, but I guess I mean, I can perhaps see what Nojima was GOING for, at least. He just kinda... overdid it. A lot.

I don't know, I mean, they ARE apparently setting up for a bonfire/party aren't they? I can't be bothered to re-read it, haha. But I think they were. So, I think it is a time to celebrate, but... meh. I don't know xD; I can't really DEFEND the book per se, because I'm not sure that I agree with it either, but... in this chapter alone, it seems fine to me, at least. There are other interpretations I would PREFER, like yours, definitely. but I wouldn't necessarily discount this as a possibility, either. But, no doubt, it sounds like it goes absolutely insane after this point, so... I'm not enthusiastic about the book AT ALL, but this chapter alone seems kinda harmless to me. Rikku's bluntness is the one thing I can't really... make sense of at all, though. I mean, to just say it calmly, but to yell it at him and storm off?? I'm confused, haha. I feel like something got lost in translation, there??

But in the translations we've seen so far, other than ofc the fact she hasn't spoken to him yet in the first chapter, I don't really sense any coldness from Yuna?? She was being coy in the kiss scene. Remember, people also said they got in an argument and Tidus kicked a blitzball and died. Which none of that was true. (Well, except for the death part l:) So, I'm not taking what people say too seriously, not until (if it ever) gets translated. Though, at this rate, that seems unlikely. Which is just as well because then we can just ignore all of this??? But if we DO believe what people are saying, then apparantly they also got very close on the boat, before they even arrived on the island, sooo, she can't be being THAT cold, haha.

I guess, I'm just trying to stay open-minded and wait to see where they're going with this, even though my hopes are very low. xD I mean, Last Mission at first sounded crazy to me. Yuna Rikku and Paine all arguingm regretting meeting up???? Sounded OOC. I was super against it. But once you watch it and see all  of their motivations and thoughts play out and all of that, it made sense, and further more, really added depth to the characters, I think! So I'm just sort of tryING to give the book a chance, though I doubt it can redeem itself.

Wasn't it linked to an article in another thread, saying that Nojima never wanted FFX to have a happy ending? he thought the ending  of X was just fine? A lot of people agree with that, actually. Maybe they he was just trying to satisfy the crowd that hated the cheeriness of X-2. i think that's absolutely stupid, but... it kinda seems like that's what he's trying to do, with this. u_u
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Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 24, 2014, 11:44:26 am
Yes, Tidus and Yuna actually did do the nudge nudge on the boat. But then, that's how the boat even crashed in the first place (seriously, Tidus, dude. You know that 'storm + no helmsman = bad.' I guess all those years of living on a boat in Zanarkand did nothing for him. .-.) so maybe Yuna holds a bit of a grudge against him? Other sources say that she's unsure of her feelings for him, hence the rejected kiss. (but then why did they rock the boat all night long?) If you think about the rejected kiss now, with all the info we got from chapter 1, it's actually quite depressing.

They are setting up a bonfire party to celebrate the defeat of Vegnagun I guess. The weird thing is that Lulu commands Tidus to help with the organisation. Which I guess isn't too bad, since he agrees to do it, but for Yevon's sake, lady! The guy just returned and already he's being forced to do work. That's like if Yuna returned to Besaid for a break, and then she's ordered to vanquish some fiends around the forest. At least let him get eased into his new home!

Yeah, I guess I get what Nojima is going for here: that even though Tidus has returned to his friends and finally has a home, from his view, he's still an alien. He's still the outsider that appeared out of nowhere and accidentally turned the whole island against himself for doing something fairly innocent in his eyes. Everybody has moved on and made new lives for themselves, while Tidus was stuck in purgatory for two years, and hence his death has only seemed like yesterday. However, Nojima could have gone about it in a more subtle and... kinder way. Instead, Tidus is stuck with the thought that nobody wants anything to do with him, hence his loneliness and neglect. It almost seems like... he still doesn't exist in anybody's eyes. It's Jecht and his wife all over again.

Man, I feel so bad for Tidus. I just wanna give him a hug right now. D:

We gotta remember though: Japanese people have full access to the contents of the novel. Since it's a rather short book (~250 pages. Also consider the size of the writing.) people will have finished it by now. One of the main gripes people have with the novel according to Amazon reviews is that they dislike Yuna in the novel; maybe even hate her, and they feel really bad for Tidus. So who knows? Maybe Yuna gets more cold later on in the novel. (And apparently there's something really bad that happens later on that we haven't discovered yet; so bad that it shook our former translators. Might have to ask for more info on that.) Until we find a Japanese review that goes over the full contents of the novel, we really have no leads except for the translators.

The thing is, Nojima's stories are actually quite dark in general. It certainly was odd seeing him work in X-2. From what I've heard, Nojima wanted to make the story of FFX darker, but producers and the company decided against it. After all, it was Nojima's idea to originally make Tidus the unsent instead of Auron. Since this is a novel that Nojima wrote without any restrictions from QA or Square, this could be sort of a 'revenge' thing against the company, by twisting X-2 into a creepy tale of selfishness and loneliness starring Tidus the Headless, throwing in reproduction and swimsuits for the lulz, and decapitation by bomb. Nojima solo-wrote the novel and the audio drama, and they're pretty damn dark. He must be in a bad mood these days. :S
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on March 24, 2014, 09:50:09 pm
Whatever beast is lurking within this novel, it's ostensibly a big one.

From everything I've read and heard regarding translations so far, there's nothing terribly offending...

...but the will to translate almost concretely dissipated with all of our recruited so far, so there must be something later on in the novella that is upsetting to a universal degree.
The only question that remains is what that beast is.
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Post by: SoraxWare on March 25, 2014, 09:09:00 am
Ouch!

Something had struck him. It wasn’t the same heat that had been stinging the back of their necks these past few days. It wasn’t Yuna’s hand finally giving into the urge to knock him out of his constant immature (however, adorable) jokes. It was a dark, spherical object that immediately and heavily hit the ground. Tidus turned to inspect what it was.

‘That looks like a Blitzball but it-‘ He hadn’t been given much time.

It happened too fast. She was standing with him a few moments ago. It happened too fast. That wasn’t enough time. Yuna felt her heart smash into a million pieces as her rib-cage almost split open from her scream. Everything hurt.

‘Tidus!?’ She screamed. There was too much smoke. It happened too fast. It was an explosion. That wasn’t a blitzball. It was a bomb. Yuna scrambled desperately to her feet. It happened too fast.

“Tidus where are you!? Tidus I’m hurt! Tidus please say-“ She tripped. Falling to the ground. Why did she trip? Why was she covered in blood? What tripped her?

Yuna looked down at her feet. There. With the look of shock still frozen to it, was Tidus’ head.

“No!” Yuna screamed as her hands desperately clung to her chest. Every breath came out like a scream. Everywhere she looked was blurred by her tears. “No! Tidus! No!” She wasn’t breathing. She didn’t have time to breathe. She didn’t have time to think.

It happened too fast.


Hi Everyone! Just joining today! I recently got the novel and I'm currently in the middle of translating the whole thing and re-writing it.

I'm Japanese/Australian and I'm fluent in Japanese & English so I'm going to do my best! Unfortunately a lot of this novel is SEEMINGLY mean-spirited & unfortunately, MOST of what is rumoured... (boat sex, head decapitation, arguments etc)... are all true.

I'll post the full chapter ASAP! contact me on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/scotti.pyjamas ^_^ PEACE
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Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on March 25, 2014, 10:06:32 am
^ THANK YOU! I am both jealous an excited by your abilities, it's much appreciated.

I wish I could say I looked forward to reading it...but, at least things will be cleared up. I'll just have more rage fuel now.
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Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 25, 2014, 10:14:46 am
HALLELUJAH! A messenger from the heavens!

...But seriously, thanks for dropping by! Now we have a reason to sharpen our pitchforks again!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on March 25, 2014, 02:50:30 pm
That's not a legitimate translation.


Even though our translators didn't get far, the majority of them translated and confirmed the content regarding Tidus's death.
What he posted has nothing to do with the actual material; it's false.
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Post by: SoraxWare on March 25, 2014, 04:14:42 pm
Actually it is. Most of the novel is written in Haiku. Just like the video game's script. It's almost entirely written in poem. There's also constant perspective changes so in order to avoid confusion, I'm re-writing it in third-person perspective. I've read this novel about 20 times and I can constantly say that I am legitimately translating every chapter. I'm re-writing everything in an equally-dramatic way in English in order to keep the same level of drama that is present in the Japanese version. Otherwise, a LOT of what's written is lost in translation, so yes, I am changing a few things as I translate it, but this is just because so far, it's being translated too literally.

I'm re-writing Chapter 1 at the moment and I will make sure I post scans of that page (and every page-here-on) to explain exactly what it is I'm changing in each translation.

A Japanese speaker/person would be able to understand what it is I'm doing. There's way too many implicational and symbolical elements to this story that are getting lost in each translation that has been posted so far.

Thanks! ^_^
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Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 25, 2014, 04:55:39 pm
Come on, guys. Look at the bright side.

At least Sora is putting tons of effort into his translation. As a writer, I thank you for that. Also, it's very interesting how FFX's dialogue was mostly written in a poem format. I didn't know that.

The good news is you didn't lose the will to read, let alone translate the rest of the novel halfway through, unlike our former translators. If you don't mind me being nosy, is there any other... 'questionable' major things in the novel that we haven't been informed of yet? Or is it just the nature of the novel getting progressively grimmer as it goes on? This is some mysteriously eerie stuff here.
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Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on March 25, 2014, 04:59:26 pm
^^ Makes sense, SoraxWare, that's gotta be what the translators for the games did in the localization. I mean, if they did officially translate this, I'm sure it would have to be changed similarly as you said, so yeah, kudos to you! :) Also didn't know about the poem thing either, hm, interesting.
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Post by: SoraxWare on March 25, 2014, 05:08:00 pm
Unfortunately it's a VERY distressing novel. There's a completely different feel to this novel when compared to 10, 10-2.

I wouldn't suggest anyone who's a fan of the games to read it because it's a little too heart-breaking. There's constant sexual innuendoes. For example, Tidus compliments Yuna's "new figure" and basically tells her that her breasts make it hard for him to concentrate. He also brags about the size of his **** at numerous points and it makes it a little difficult to read.

Unfortunately, this novel is entirely canon so I'm just hoping they fix this all up in 10-3 because I don't think anyone wants Yuna and Tidus' relationship in the state it's in by the end of this novel.


EDIT: Also, a better translation for the title would be "The Price of Eternity", meaning, the price you pay for an eternity of happiness with the one you love. Because that's actually what it's referring too. "Eternal Cost" as a translation is too literal and doesn't really make any sense.
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Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 25, 2014, 05:13:04 pm
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He also brags about the size of his **** at numerous points

...

WELP, I'M DONE.

ALL ABOARD THE S.S. AWKWARD~
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Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on March 25, 2014, 06:14:35 pm
I understand that you took creative liberties with it, but that's not what I necessarily want posted. The raw material is jumbly and emotionless, but it's hollowness attributes to it's literal interpretation.

Filling it in with a more respectable localization perspective is a honourable task, but it's highly at your disposal. Not to disclaim any action on your part, but I'll message you about it and talk in detail.
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Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on March 25, 2014, 08:14:52 pm
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He also brags about the size of his **** at numerous points

...

WELP, I'M DONE.

ALL ABOARD THE S.S. AWKWARD~

Jesus Christ, seriously!?

I mean, sometimes dick jokes have their place, and Tidus flirting with Yuna is a given, but that, um....I don't even know what to say about that. This is supposed to be Tidus we're talking about, right. Sweet ol Tidus, who likes to kiss underwater and say mushy stuff to Yuna - what have they done to ya here? First he recklessly puts his and Yuna's lives in jeopardy with an abrupt booty call, and now this? Sure, I could totally see him saying something on the pervy side to her, but it seems rather early in their relationship for that, there's a time and place and I don't think he'd be blunt either.

I think it's quite fair to say that any and all semblance of romance has been smashed bloody with a steel mallet at this point. What a shame. I'm honestly going to have to pretend this doesn't exist because it's ruining what I loved most about the games. I don't generally like romances, but I really loved this one. It was so sweet and tender and I felt like the characters, regardless of circumstance, would be there for each other.  I wouldn't even give as much of a **** about it being dark and dreary if the characters were actually themselves and were as passionate as they were initially created to be.
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Post by: kk on March 26, 2014, 12:42:09 am
I'm skeptical of the claim this is "entirely canon" as Sora says. Since when have ANY of the FF novels been fully canon...? Square doesn't even consider the FFVII novels fully canon, does it? Or the KH manga's? They're always considered optional additions, interpretations basically, from how I've heard it.

That's what I've always heard, anyway. So why would this one be any different?

I figured the audio drama is canon, because, well, they include it with the game, so, it's kinda shoved in your face as canon (unfortunately). But the novel??? I don't know...
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Post by: SoraxWare on March 26, 2014, 01:30:40 am
The audio drama takes place after & and references events from this novel.

It is canon.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Akuwah on March 26, 2014, 03:18:24 am
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He also brags about the size of his **** at numerous points and it makes it a little difficult to read.

Well... I didn't see that one coming *no pun*
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Freyja on March 26, 2014, 09:12:35 am
Hi! I´m new in this chat (actually, I just registered myself in in yesterday! ^_^)
I´ve been reading this post since the begining and I appreciate so much the effort and will of Pixel and KaminaSan of translating the novel (even if is such terrible that they decided stop doing it hahaha), and the posts of all of you seeking the truth instead of just accepting the rumors that pray that"Tidus kicked what looked like a blitzball, but it comes to be a a bomb, and.... well.... http://abload.de/img/kciksbombttsvx.gif" (Still being pretty terrible to me, I wish that thanks to deeper translations... there weren´t bombs, explosions, and decapitaded heads at all ^_^U)

But finally I decided to log into this chat thanks to SoraxWare: THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING! :))

Final Fantasy X is and always will be for me one of my favorites Final Fantasy games (among with FFX-2, I loved that game xDD) and that´s the reason why I, as you all, feel so bad about this novel (at least the things that I´ve read and confirmed)

To me the history between Yuna and Tidus is very similar to the love history of Jack and Rose from Titanic: They were both very young, they didn´t spend so much time together before they have to get separated... and well, the end of both (the game and the film) basically is "the girl loosing his lover, but her heart will go on" hahaha :P
That´s why I love FFX-2! Even if is like a "Barbie´s ending" (It´s how I call them: you know, everyone is happy, the bads become goods, etc xD) I was happy to know that the two of them were reunited and together again (like in Titanic.... god that movie always make me cry like a 2 years old baby xD)

About the canon and no-canon thing, the truth Is that I consider this novel canon but just a little, I mean: to me FFX and FFX-2 are both canon for obvious reasons, is true that in both Kazushige Nojima was implicated, but there were also more people who helped him to create such a wonderful game like FFX is (and even FFX-2 xD). For example Daisuke Watanabe. I´m sure that there were more people who gave good advises to Kazushige of what was good and what should be modificaded.
In brief: To me what is canon in the universe of FFX, is the result of the collaboration between all this talented, creative and fantastic persons, that´s why don´t really (want to xD) consider this novel canon :)
Well, as you can see I can talk the hind legs off a donkey hahaha :P
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: SilverPrince on March 26, 2014, 11:01:33 pm
The audio drama takes place after & and references events from this novel.

It is canon.

I debate that wholeheartedly. All of my arguments are in the topic on the Inconsistencies and the meaning of canon, I'd encourage you to read it. It'd be one thing if it was just one of two minor discrepancies, but there are a lot of major conflicts in them. When faced with two conflicting canons (Doctor Who comics vs 50th Anniversary movie), the one in the dominant format ALWAYS trumps. FFX is a video game series, if it conflicts with the Novella, the Novella loses.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: SoraxWare on March 27, 2014, 04:26:42 pm
Okay. Then you're not very bright.

Moving right along.

So far I'm hoping to have my translation finished by Saturday so that the whole novella is translated and able to be read, there are a few things I'd like to point out however.

This is an extremely DARK story. There are a lot of things that will put most beloved fans off. I don't just mean, 'you won't want to continue reading', I mean 'you might lose the joy in ever playing either of the games again.' It really ruins the character development for Yuna and Tidus quite rapidly. I would like to also correct a LOT of the rumours that are floating around however.

1. Tidus and Yuna do NOT have sex in the middle of a storm and crash. For a majority of the first half of the book, Yuna is finding it difficult to be as close to Tidus as she used to (stupid, I know) because she's worried he'll disappear again. In a flirtatious evening they romantically agree that maybe there's a way to prove he's real, and they make love. The boat doesn't crash until the following day when a storm suddenly appears.

2. Dick jokes. Tidus makes a lot of references to the size of his... sword (sake of censorship). This might make a few fangirls happy, but all of the times he says these things, there's no build-up and therefore there's pretty much 0 humour. They're honestly in the middle of a very serious conversation and Tidus just randomly says "Something THIS big couldn't possibly be an illusion". There's also a moment where he says, "I've been getting a lot of practice lately. Helps because the size makes it easier to feel confident when I'm going to use it."  So just... be prepared for some weird sexualisation of Tidus.

3. Breast jokes. Tidus makes a lot of cutesy comments about Yuna's change in appearance. He also states that if they get discovered by inhabitants of the island, he'll have to work overtime to protect her because of what she's wearing. He also says that if they have to fight, that she'll have to cover herself up because he'll find it too difficult to concentrate when he's looking at "an amazing body." He also tells her he's masturbated to her before. I'm not sure if that word is censored or not... you'll figure out what I mean.

4. Tidus' death. This is true. Tidus dies in this novel in a very violently described way. His head is blown off by a bomb. There's not much that people don't already know about this, so moving along.

5. Necrophelia. While Yuna doesn't actually go through with this technique, she does consider it. She recalls the stories of Yunalesca and considers that it may be the only way. However, she is referring to having sex with Tidus' resurrected self (whom she summons back to life AFTER he gets his head blown off). He is still technically dead after this. She wasn't considering actually having sex with a corpse, because there isn't one. However, due to Tidus' behaviour, she feels too uncomfortable around him.

6. Broken romance. Now, what I would like to point out is that Tidus is NOT Tidus by the end of this novel. His behaviour is very bizarre. That is the entire reason why Yuna falls out of love with him by the time "-Will-" begins. They don't just have a "argument and break-up." Yuna is still in deep love with Tidus which is why it's  so hard for her because she finds he's changed too much once she brings him back. They'll most likely fall back in love by the time X-3 is released, because I only view this as something that's challenging their relationship, not a permanent conclusion to it. The reason for Tidus' changed self is because the memories that were used to summon him back to life were tainted.

ANYWAY!

Have my translation up soon. Just... seriously... don't read it if you don't like any of those things. 
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 27, 2014, 04:43:30 pm
1: Oh... well, that doesn't seem so bad. At least it saves Tidus' credibility as a... well, likeable character for a little while longer.

2: Oh, for the love of... -facedesk- This just wrote a whole new level in the WTF genre. It feels so dirty and wrong. This is coming from a fangirl, mind you.

3:
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He also tells her he's ****ed to her before

Umm... uh... err... um, UHHHH...

4: I already laughed/cried at this, so no fresh comments here.

5: So would that be considered the 'good' kind of necrophilia? (Making love to a ghost/unsent as opposed to a corpse.) Even so, that's still kinda creepy.

6: Whoa, so it wasn't a generalised event said by the summary? His attitude actually completely changes? That's... actually kinda interesting, if not a bit heartbreaking, sure. Hopefully you can translate some of his 'bizarre' dialogue. (But if it's anything sexual, then... oh dear.)

The thing I'm most concerned about is Tidus' complete 180 turn in personality by the time they land on the island. Seriously. In the first chapter, he seems relatively in-character. Actually, he's probably one of the only few whose personalities hasn't been angst-ified at that point. But then, once they crash, he's just... d-uh... Maybe it could be the fact that he's stranded on an island that's driving him insane, or the adrenaline of coming back from the dead is finally kicking in now that he has Yuna with him. But... damn. And people said X-2's characters were OOC.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on March 27, 2014, 05:52:54 pm
So the horrible hidden beast has been revealed.


What do you guys think about that?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on March 27, 2014, 06:01:02 pm
It's nice to hear about the boat thing not being as effed up as before but everything else is still incredibly devastating. In fact, I think I'm even more upset now. I can't comment in detail at the moment but I will. (and Crystal, Imma totally get back to ya soon ^_^)

All I can say right now is tainted ****ing memories, for real? So Tidus is not only physically ****ed but mentally screwed as well, plus, ya know, DEAD. Jesus, does anyone at Square actually like Tidus, 'cause it's kind of ****ing hard to tell. He may as well be a goddamn nameless victim from Resident evil. How many rounds can we sink into zombie Tidus?

God, Tidus is a ****ing zombie, I don't want him to be a zombie. Why is he a zombie!? *cries* *burns novel*
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: SilverPrince on March 27, 2014, 08:38:05 pm
Okay. Then you're not very bright.

Moving right along.


And you're not very good at debating if you're just going to ad hom and not address any of the points. How many Star Wars novels are there? How many are going to get tossed out the window when Episode VII comes out? If they conflict with the movie's canon, they get thrown own, they're not canon.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: SoraxWare on March 27, 2014, 11:58:55 pm
I'll explain in further detail then.

This novel was included with copies of the game in Japan. It's written by the original writer of both X and X-2. The reason it's called "X-2.5" is because its an immediate continuation of the story. Tetsuya Nomura (character designer) has said it's a story they wanted to give to the fans detailing what happens between X-2 & the audio drama (and ultimately, eventually, X-3).

If you go ahead and listen to the audio drama, they reference exact events that occur in the novel. Which means the novel is canon. I'm not sure why you don't understand this (I'm sure for absolutely no reason at all you're going to disagree with me).

Also, there's a note on the cover of the novel and on the last page that reads "Was there more to their story...?" and at the end of the book it ends with "To be continued in -Will-".

That's a direct link between the two stories.

Your example of "there's lots of Star Wars novels"... yes. There are... They're ALL published fan-fictions. They're not attempting to be considered canon.

This novel, "Eternal Cost (still think it should be Price For An Eternity)" is written by the SAME people who wrote both of the games. It's the same creative mind who thought up the world. It's just as canon as "Birth By Sleep" was when that game was released on PSP. It being on a different form of media has nothing to do with anything if it's by the official creator.

If you don't read the novel before listening to the audio drama, you are going to be confused. You are not going to know what's happening because everything that's missing from -Will- is explained in the novel.

The audio drama doesn't explain:

Who the two new characters are clearly.

Why Yuna and Tidus aren't together anymore.

Why Sin is coming back.

Why Tidus is bandaged around the head (reference to the explosion and the fact that he wasn't revived properly).


I really hope you understand now, if not, then there's nothing I can do for you. But yes. This novel is ENTIRELY canon. It isn't a fan fiction. It isn't an 'optional' story that isn't going to be brought up again. It's called 2.5 for a reason. It's leading the fans into X-3 in the form of a book. An official book by the official creators. Not a book written by some loner-nerd who is obsessed with the game and made up some stupid story.

There you go ^_^
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: SilverPrince on March 28, 2014, 12:38:53 am
I thank you. I wasn't aware that the novel was included with the game and thought it was a standalone thing. I also didn't know about the, "Was there more?"

I know there's more to it than the book and novella say too. Yuna and Kurgum saying the exact same things to their companions, with Kurgum saying only summoners can understand is indicative that Yuna broke it off with Tidus for the "summoner thing", and told him she loved someone else in hopes he wouldn't pursue. And besides that, if they made an X-3 and ruined the relationship between Tidus and Yuna permanently, that'd enrage so many fans. Square Enix is already walking a tight rope with fans after XIII(-2)(-3), they'd be idiots to rock the boat even further.

And.. I'm not trying to<i> totally</i> deny it being canon, I apologize for it coming out that way. I just see so many flaws with it, and that seems so unlike the team. FFX was an amazing game. There weren't very many loose ends left over, there was a lot of subtle foreshadowing that only makes sense you're second playthrough ("What if she comes on to me?" "That's.. not gonna happen."), and they delicately wrapped players around their fingers. To put out something with so many contradictions to the original, and something that takes a perfectly closed story and bust it open seems so unlike them. Especially since the Ultimania interview where they mentioned the worlds of FFVII and FFX being related, meaning there is a perfect place for them to expand with a sequel.

All I'm wanting to do is propose an alternative. To let people read the novella and listen to the audio drama, critically examine them, and decide for themselves what they believe.. until such a time when there's an X-3 and it'll be undeniably canon. Seems a little pointless I know, but what if this is the end? You've seen the Amazon reviews on the Novella I'm sure and read all the hate for 2.5, a lot of fans hate it. Where does all this get left if this is where it ends? While I don't know if you'll agree with me, I hope the logic at least seems sound.

I'm still going to read the Novella, but I'm going to do it in two ways.
1. Loosely and with an open mind.
2. With the intention of not letting it soil the first two games.
Until X-3 is at least announced and has a plot synopsis.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: city on March 28, 2014, 05:03:23 am
I think we should keep in mind that while this is technically cannon, it's not acutally cannon to the English speaking audience (and any not Japanese, I should imagine).  So while it is cannon in the sense that it is part of the story, unless it gets an English release, it would be as if, in the Western world it's not cannon - get what I'm sayin'?

For example I had no idea that FFVII had comic books, so I had no idea they were cannon, while I understood that 7, Advent, Dirge etc were cannon I never knew the comic books were.  Okay, hope I made myself clear and like I said, this is just how I think about the matter. 
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Freyja on March 28, 2014, 10:02:13 am
I agree with what SoraxWare is saying.
In the Final Fantasy´s  games there are just a few materials that can tell us about the history, universe, characters, etc: Games, films, novels and CD Drama. (It´s understood that they all are supposed to be canon)

FILMS: We only have seen a movie of FFVII.
GAMES: Prequels and sequels of FFX (FFX-2) // FFVII (The entire compilation) // FFXIII (FFXIII-2 and Lightning Returns).
NOVELS: FFVII: On the Way to a Smile and The Kids Are Alright // Final Fantasy XIII Episode Zero // and now the new FFX-2.5

All they are a real part of the universe of the original games, that means they are canon. I have never questioned about the fact of the FFVII novels or FFXIII being canon, why we refuse to belive it this time? Because the writting is terribly bad, the most of us feel it´s wrong, or at least we think "wtf I´m I reading?" hahaha


I think that we should respect this fact, but that dosen´t mean we have to share it: So we can go on believing that is not canon, or that is canon, we will be right in both cases ^_^
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 28, 2014, 10:21:50 am
Actually, now that I think about it, does anyone think that having Tidus' whole personality completely altered is Nojima's way of changing his character so that people would stop complaining about his attitude from X in a potential sequel? Cause that's what it feels like to me.

I swear, if Tidus' character pulls off a moody guy/Advent Children in X-3, I probably would scream. (All right, so his life sucks at the moment. Like, real bad. But he wouldn't be the type to sit around and moan about it. He'd go out and try to change it. Or at least... the Tidus from FFX would. :'() I always had the feeling that he was a bit... off in Will. Like, he doesn't want to fight for anything any more and just accepts what comes his way. (Yuna leaving him, his injuries, etc.)

So yeah, it's safe to say that I agree with Pyreflies. Frollo, if you please.

"-holds 2.5 over a well- This monster is an unholy demon. I'm sending it back to Hell where it belongs!"
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: kk on March 28, 2014, 10:31:45 am
I'm still dubious on whether to consider this canon. Earlier it was reported that the audio drama was canon but that the novel doesn't HAVE TO BE- you just take the main points, since SE never usually considers novel SUPER SRS canon. But I don't remember if that was said by someone reputable, or just us trying to make sense of what was going on, haha. Also, how are they gonna give us a canon story where Sin is revived, one of their most beloved couples are on the fritz, one of their most favored characters has a supposed daughter, and the world has just all together gone to ****... and then just leave it there? Like... that just seems weird to me. xD;; I JUST... DON'T... UNDERSTAND. T_T

Everything seems pretty okay until the end, like was said. ;_; Her having a little trouble adjusting to Tidus'... I think I've talked about it earlier, but I'm on the fence. I hope that it's that she's uncomfortable because, she's still sorta uneasy about the fact he came back from the dead basically. Her being bothered by his personality doesn't really... make that much sense... not when she's been running around like she has in X-2. Not when she fell in love with him at the VERY EARLY stages on X where he was still a huge derp. So, I'm thinking, maybe it comes off as coldness, but it's actually fear?? Because what if he disappears again. Or something... liek that. I'm not bothered by them having sex (it sounds like it was tasteful enough), or comments about her appearance. (This IS the guy who zooms in on Lulu's boobs with binoculars. l:) I'm... deeply confused about.. the dick jokes.............. ??????????????????? Like... what... hahaha. But whatever. I can excuse it. FFX and X-2 had to be T-rated. Maybe secRETLy this made sense for his character... I don't effing know. Or maybe he's trying (but failing) to lighten the mood for her. (Though, I would THINK he has a slightly better grasp for Yuna's humor because............. I can't imagine that amusing her, surely you jest.)

But I'm actually interested in the idea that the reason Yuna pulls away after the island thing, is because of tainted memories are effecting him. I can see her pulling away, if for no other reason than... GUILT. Technically, she did this to him. Right? But how would they fix something like that-- messed up memories?

And I still don't understand why Nojima felt it necessarily to kill him off again AT ALL. He was /ALREADY REVIVED/ mere DAYS ago. Couldn't you have just made him act weird from the get-go, and blamed THAT on tainted memories from when the Fayth brougth him back? His second death looks like it's going to be very off-handed and just... wtf????

And what makes me more mad is the fact that SE said they have NO PLANS to continue this???? >.e So...

if this IS canon...

THIS Is the final note they want to end FFX's story on???? Ruining everything and then ComplETELY leaving everything up to our imagination??? That's just... such bull... it makes me mad. >__>

...Sorry, this kinda just turned into an off-the-rails rant. I'M JUST... BAFFLED... in a bad way. A really bad way. surely you jest. But still intrigued. Sigh.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: kk on March 28, 2014, 08:04:55 pm
Wait, but doesn't this novel take place about 3 months before last mission??? So... ??? Yuna's unhappy with Tidus at the end of the novel, but is happy during the time of Last Mission (3 months later)? Then unhappy again at the time of the audio drama...? x___X
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on March 30, 2014, 12:11:22 am
I hate this thing! I dont even have any hopes in SE!
C'mon! Did u really had to DESTROY MY FAVORITE COUPLE AND STORY!? Even our dear translators dont want to continue 'cause it was traumatizing!
And i dont even want to know what they are planning with suppose X-3, seriously, my brain is still burning, still trying to figure out what Nojima was thinking when he was writing, did he want to destroy everything on purpose? Mental problems? Revenge?
I atleast will like to have a little hope on this, but i dont know what to think anymore.

Thanks to: our translators, thank you so much, even though u guys couldnt continue, but thanks :-)

And thanks to: Sora! Thank you soo much for your help in this translation, maybe we can finally see an official translation, thank you so much! :-)

And Yuna's and co. Coldness, im pissed off with that, wish i could comfort Tidus right now, it feels like everyone doesnt want him there, and everybodys so cold, even Rikku??! Tidus only said something innocent, and Rikku literally explodes by something so little, and i dont like those stupid "elders" either, poor Tidus, what a family he hs. I thought everything was gonna be ok, but heck i was wrong! :-(






And Thanks to: Sora, thank so much for this, im deeply thankful! :-)
And thank you for the warnings of the novel :-)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: LM_Nova on March 30, 2014, 02:16:59 am
I'm sure with the overwhelming negative response the novel is receiving there will be at least some characterization back peddling from SE. After all they want fans to keep pumping money into this and they don't deliberately set out to **** us off.

I wouldn't be too worried with Yuna and Tidus supposed break up. Yuna is acting like her old self again, which means more emotional vagueness. Odds are she dumped Tidus because she's in love with the Tidus who died on the beach and not this current incarnation. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it is revealed that Yuna is the one who accidentally summoned Sin in her clumsy attempt to get back Tidus. 
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: katielizabeth on March 30, 2014, 09:52:34 am
Hi all, newbie here!

Now, this is just my opinion, but, considering that my love of the entire world of Spira was THE best thing about my childhood and still means so much to me, and considering the whole idea that 'new and improved things are never as good as the originals from the past', I would rather the novella nor -Will- existed.

Honestly, I would rather have LESS canon for Spira, and have no potential of X-3 because of how disappointed I am. The only reason I would like X-3 now is to try and straighten out this mess, and that isn't the way it should be.

I was talking to my cousin, who adores FF too, and she said that -Will- was just like a 'soap opera' and I can't think of a better explanation than that. I am genuinely so gutted, I feel like my whole childhood has been crushed!

Sorry to be a mardy bum! But I need to talk this out with people!  >:(
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 30, 2014, 10:17:51 am
Haha, no problem. We're all pretty much in the same boat as you for the time being.

It's sad because... given the things we've learnt recently about Tidus' difficult nature and the Farplane troubles... this could have actually been a decent setup. A sequel where after Tidus comes back, he finds out that not everything about himself is normal, as he is able to do and go through things that normal human beings can't. Pyreflies_of_MJ once said that she would like a story in which Tidus is able to talk to the dead, and also communicate with fiends. That IMO sounds great, and allows for some new lore to be set up with how the fiends live and how the dead in Spira exactly work. Heck, we might even get some more backstory on the 'Fiend World' that one of the Fiend Tales mention.

It has potential, I'll give you that much. But it could actually be really great if it was... just written differently. Take out the 'soap opera' stuff between Tidus and Yuna, throw in a new threat instead of recycling Sin, get rid of the 'memories erased' thing, make Kurgum and Chuami slightly more likeable, make Tidus actually mandatory to the characters instead of just the plot, change EVERYTHING about the novel except the crucial-to-the-story bits and bam. Solid ingredients for a sequel.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: katielizabeth on March 30, 2014, 10:37:23 am
Take out the 'soap opera' stuff between Tidus and Yuna, throw in a new threat instead of recycling Sin, get rid of the 'memories erased' thing, make Kurgum and Chuami slightly more likeable, make Tidus actually mandatory to the characters instead of just the plot, change EVERYTHING about the novel except the crucial-to-the-story bits and bam. Solid ingredients for a sequel.

Agreed. The idea that Yuna brought Tidus back (although a bit repetitive due to ff x-2) would be good if some sacrifices have been made for that. It's realistic that the fayth having to put effort into bringing back a life that was already a dream would perhaps send the farplane into disarray.

More information into the process of pyreflies/farplane/fiends etc would be fascinating. And the Tidus link mentioned is actually a brilliant idea. God, that would be great actually... SE TAKE NOTE!

I actually feel like we are being mocked here. I mean, the fact that FFX is a massive emotional development for Tidus, ending up with him sacrificing himself for Yuna and Spira, and THEN having Yuna going through a journey of her own to get him back...and they just break up in a way that reminisces high school romances! I'm so devastated.

If they really had to break them up...make it epic! Make it plot worthy! Don't make it so melodramatic!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on March 30, 2014, 12:32:42 pm
If they hadnt written so much drama in the novella and will, and put more effort and intelligence in the story, i would've been actually happy for a X-3, but, like katielizabeth said, her childhood is literally crushed, mine too :-(
And i know that many here are feeling the same as katielizabeth and me.

If they do a X-3, (which they said they werent, but i know theyll do it) then, atleast i hope they try to fix all that mess in an intelligent and amazing way, because i think (surprisingly) that this could have a good plot if they arrange it well, lets just hope it turns out ok at the end.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on March 30, 2014, 12:46:48 pm
Wait, but doesn't this novel take place about 3 months before last mission??? So... ??? Yuna's unhappy with Tidus at the end of the novel, but is happy during the time of Last Mission (3 months later)? Then unhappy again at the time of the audio drama...? x___X


WTH!?
Now that i think of it, it is
Because in the beginning of the novel is where Tidus narrates his experience at the happy ending of X-2, and of the celebration after the reunion, what SE is thinking?!

I thought the timeline was this one:
FFX
Eternal Calm video
FFX-2
Last Mission
Novella
Will
(Supposedly) FFX-3

Seriously, why will and novella had to exist!?
When they first announced the audio drama, i thought it was a brief happy story with everyone happy together, Tidus and Yuna happy, in love, Wakka and Lulu happy with Vidina, and Tidus babysitting him (XD i strangely always want to see Tidus babysitting Vidina, since i think it will be funny to see it)
Rikku with Gippal around Spira salvaging machina, Paine with Baralai maybe, Kihmari visiting Besaid, Tidus and Yuna visiting their parents and Auron at the farplane, Yuna and Tidus going to the Moonflow, since he promised her theyll go together, and just everyone happy, even Tidus joining the Gullwings!
And everyone happy that Tidus is back, everyone celebrating for his return and for Yunas success of saving Spira once more, and them being the famous couple of Spira: The high summoner who lived and save the world twice, and the most amazing legendary guardian who change the spiral of death by sacrificing his life and to save her and to save Spira, because Tidus deserves some credit, i see that no one said that because of Tidus' sacrifice, Spira is save, but since in the novella everyone doesnt want him, im not surprised!
So i thought everything was fine, that my favorite characters were going to be fine and happy together as a big family, but i guess the only thing that could make me happy is to write my own fanfiction of it!

And im sorry if i wrote TOO much, but i wanted to take this out of my chest :-)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: katielizabeth on March 30, 2014, 02:17:37 pm
I just feel like with my 200 approx. hours of gameplay of X and X-2 I deserve something better than this. FFX was my gateway FF, and I've been a fan of it ever since. It feels like an insult quite frankly.

Jesus, I wish they had just took some of the fic Fumbling Towards Ecstacy and just made that canon, because that was far better written and explained and in character than this!

Although I was hoping for -Will- to be a happy ending, I would have been more than happy with introducing - or even hinting at - new threats. The fact we got neither of these is something I just can't get my head around.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on March 30, 2014, 09:53:34 pm
I just feel like with my 200 approx. hours of gameplay of X and X-2 I deserve something better than this. FFX was my gateway FF, and I've been a fan of it ever since. It feels like an insult quite frankly.

Jesus, I wish they had just took some of the fic Fumbling Towards Ecstacy and just made that canon, because that was far better written and explained and in character than this!

Although I was hoping for -Will- to be a happy ending, I would have been more than happy with introducing - or even hinting at - new threats. The fact we got neither of these is something I just can't get my head around.

Exactly. I feel its a BIG insult for us th fans of X X-2 and as she said Fumbling Towards Ectasy was far better than that!!
And if someone of you my friends expected a happy epilogue, the best thing to do is to write your own happy ending of the story in fanfiction.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 31, 2014, 12:06:33 pm
You know what? That's exactly what I thought the audio drama would be, too. (Dammit, I forgot about the Moonflow. Y U NO remember, Nojima? ;_;) Just a sweet, short little story detailing everybody's lives in the Eternal Calm. It would have made a nice and humble little addition for the saga's 10th anniversary. Heck, when the game was released, they had promotional events and posters for Tidus and Yuna as a couple! And near its release in the US, they had the balls to make Valentine's Day trailers for FFX/X-2, despite them clearly knowing what BS they made Tidus and Yuna go through in the new content. That's just... foul, Square. It's the very definition of sugarcoating.

Eternal Calm? More like Eternal CHAOS! Har har.

So... damn. This is like, anti-fanservice. Instead of Sir Tidus being welcomed home, everybody's like 'GTFO you're not one of us!'. All of his friends don't seem to care for him. His personality's almost been completely butchered by pseudo-edgy 'dialogue'. He dies AGAIN, and only after a few days of getting revived. His current state is pretty much a zombie with slightly muffed emotions. Meanwhile, Yuna goes through 'Drastic Character Change 2: Electric Boogaloo,' and once again resorts to cryptic lies. Seemingly forgetting that the whole reason she was married by a dead half-Guado insane Maester was because she lied to/hid Jyscal's sphere from her guardians.

The sad thing is, we're really not kidding when we say that fanfiction has done better follow-ups than this. This is just... sinful. (geddit harhar-/shot)

EDIT: Holy crap, you know what I just realised? The last line that Tidus speaks at the end of the Good Ending is 'I wanna hear everything!'. Before all this came out, many people speculated that all of X-2 was a flashback, and Yuna's narration segments are her telling the events to Tidus after he came back, much like how most of X is a flashback, with Tidus' narration segments telling everybody his point of view of the pilgrimage. This CLEARLY doesn't match up with X-2.5. Instead, Yuna goes off and does her own thing, leaving Rikku and Paine to make sure Tidus is up to date with everything that went on. And it couldn't have been Yuna just talking to herself to keep her company. Her story clearly began with, 'It all started when I saw this sphere of you,' and even directly refers to Tidus by pronoun a few times.

lul, nearly all of the canon's been fired out of a cannon and into a fire, apparently.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on March 31, 2014, 08:01:49 pm
CrystalOfLies you're right! I just realized that too!
Yuna was telling Tidus her journey in the quest of finding him in her X-2 narration, and Yuna just left Tidus with a very ****ed off Rikku and Paine in the novella, that doesnt fits with Yuna's happines of telling Tidus what happened in her journey. I remember, i had imagined that, after the ending of X-2, Tidus and Yuna will meet Lulu and Wakka, everyone happy to see Tidus and Yuna together, and then Rikku comes screaming happily to welcome Tidus in a bear hug, happy to see her big like-brother, not this annoying Rikku who screamed bipolarly at Tidus, like if she was in her days for Yevon's sake!

They all looked so OOC, I thought everyone will be happy, and ill love to see the Moonflow scene, and even how Brother reacts with Tidus' return! (I always wnated to see how Tidus and Brother could handle that XD)

So, its very deprising to see everyone so cold towards Tidus, one of the things that i loved from the X cast, is that everyone  were like a family, but now...

P.S: CrystalOfLies, keep telling me about your ideas of X-3 on the other column of Your own X-3 story...:-)

And everyone is invited to tell their own X-3 story on the Your own X-3 story... site as well
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on March 31, 2014, 08:27:19 pm
The desire of fans aside, you do bring up a reasonable point CoL; Tidus asked Yuna to explain everything that had transpired, and regardless of whether Yuna was doing so during the narrative of the game he would've had no reason to ask her that if he had Rikku and Paine detail everything previously.

That must mean that both of them losing their memories is concrete...
but it also means that they were loving and supportive of each other even after the events in the novella, which doesn't necessarily pair up with the events in the drama that imply they were strained in their relationship due to what happened in Eternal Cost.


So Nojima has cut off the head of previously established canon and sewn a monster head in it's place.
What a scary man.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on April 04, 2014, 08:11:17 pm
I wonder what he was thinking when he started writing Eternal Cost...
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on April 06, 2014, 02:02:21 pm
Hm... I wonder what happened to SoraxWare. She said that she would finish her translation by last Saturday.

Or I'm just being an irrational and impatient jerk who has no knowledge about her personal life. Or the book's harder to translate than she thought.

Either way, feelings towards the novel are still very lukewarm. I want to read more of it, but at the same time I don't.

This feels less than a continuation of X-2 and more like a creepypasta, to be honest. You got everybody acting out of place, the sudden personality changes, a protagonist feeling lonely or disturbed, the overhanging dark atmosphere and a bloody death by the victim's favourite activity. Pretty soon we'll be getting Tidus.exe, in which he hunts his friends down and severs their heads.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on April 10, 2014, 07:23:46 pm
Ever since i read the chapters, i was thinking: do they hate Tidus so much? They left him sad and lonely in the novella, his friends don't care for him anymore, they killed him in the most graphical and horrible way possible.
And i wonder what happen with SoraxWare too, but i thank her and understand that she has a life too :-)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on April 15, 2014, 05:03:58 pm
To be honest, I always thought that the majority of SE had a grudge against Tidus' character, since he was probably the first truly hated protagonist in the Final Fantasy series. Maybe not in Japan, where I hear he's actually a pretty popular character, but definitely in America and Europe. He was, by far, the most despised main character at that point just for his personality (even though he was supposed to be immature at the beginning of the game; he matures a lot by the third act) up until the creation of Vaan, who was despised for his irrelevance to the overall plot.

So naturally, SE didn't want much to do with him in later major spin-off titles. (Kingdom Hearts: Squall & Cloud: guarding Hollow Bastion. Auron: Hades' puppet AND party member for Olympus Coliseum. Tidus:... Some miniboss on the tutorial world?) I just didn't think Nojima would take it this far. X-2.5 Tidus is pretty much a physical/emotional sandbag with his skin stitched onto it from what we've heard. Heck, I've seen some avid Tidus haters and even they were quite disturbed about what happened to him in the novella.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: willeh98 on April 26, 2014, 08:26:32 pm
seriously, its really really hard to know what the f**k is going on... My brain hurts so bad from all of this... SE is garbage now.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: rb413 on April 27, 2014, 01:38:23 pm
Yo guys! Been following this forum for a few weeks now. Not many new developments so I did some searching on other forums elsewhere.... Anyway I have gathered some information..... Anyway Yuna and Tidus go on the little get away and only have sex once, on the boat, and the storm that leaves them stranded on the island happens the next day. During that time Tidus flirts wth Yuna, and she is very shy considering how he may disappear again. Tidus is immature, and mid-conversation with Yuna he see's the blitzball looking object (turns out to be a bomb), and Yuna being 2 years older and more mature than her 17 year old self becomes emotional over Tidus's immaturity (like a regular lovers spat, anyone who has a bf/gf would understand these small spats that happen time to time), and to lighten the moment, he notices the ball looking object (really bomb) and kicks it KAPLEWEY! :o (head blows off) --- (covers that part)  Anyway a fayth can be created thrue sex, sex-fayth because of the bond (mental bond) between a summoner and another person. It is a very old method used in the destroyed Zanarkand, very different from the Fayth's in X and X-2.------ Anyway Yuna is able to use the beckoning to bring Tidus back, but his memories are tainted so he is not the Tidus we all know, and Yuna cannot tell him how he is (alive/back) or he will disappear and be gone. So Tidus is dead (much like Auron was dead) but instead of having memories to hold him to the living world ( like Auron) he is blank, memories tainted, and only back because of Yuna's beckoning. He know's he is bound to Yuna, but he does not know why (tainted memories) That is why in the "audio of will" he does not understand Yuna (as old Tidus did) Yuna in "will" is keeping her distance (straining the relationship) so he won't find out and fade/disappear.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on April 27, 2014, 01:50:41 pm
If it's possible to find out, what exactly does it mean by 'tainted memories?' Like, does he not remember him talking to Yuna that much? Does he think that everybody had different personalities than what they really had? Do some of the events get outright changed in his mind? (eg. Not kissing Yuna in Macalania? Not finding out that she's going to die?) Did you manage to catch some of the 'bizarre' dialogue that he says after he gets revived? We were going to have a translator reveal all of this to us, but she hasn't come back for a few weeks when she had reportedly finished her translation.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: rb413 on April 27, 2014, 02:05:41 pm
Sadly no I haven't gotten that, more of the jist of it. In my opinion I think his mind is completely blank, he got the feel's (feelings) but blank as to why, and with Yuna knowing she can't tell him about what happened she doesn't say. We all know how Yuna is  ;) Keep away to avoid others from being hurt, even if it means hurting herself, and everyone else is unaware of what happened to Tidus, so possibly they are taking Yuna's coldness and distance as something may have happened between the couple, and with Tidus being all blank, and Yuna being all silent standoffish everyone is probably pissed, since they are all closer with Yuna. (my opinion and theory)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on April 27, 2014, 08:03:15 pm
So the shipwrecked happened the next day after they had.. you know what. But it pisses me off how everyone treats Tidus really. :'(
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on April 28, 2014, 03:04:11 am
So adding to what we have, it's possible that Tidus outright lost his memories, but still has his feelings for Yuna, but to him Yuna wants nothing to do with him.

Now there's nothing he can do and he doesn't know how Yuna is at all, and Lulu is being a jerk and is immediately jumping to Yuna's defence despite knowing nothing about what actually happened.

I'm seriously waiting for an X-3 where Tidus snaps and goes full-blown serial killer on his friends. You can pretty much expect it seeing how they treated him in the novel, and how his life and even sanity are slowly getting worse and worse in the audio drama.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: mamboitaliano on April 29, 2014, 05:07:21 am
Hi, I'm new here. Does anyone have an English translation of the novel yet?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on April 29, 2014, 05:23:49 am
We have major parts of the novel translated, as well as part of Chapter 1 translated in a thread on this board, but we don't have a full one. We've had quite a few translators over the four months this novel was released, but they all quit either because of the 'disgusting' contents of the novel or they just haven't been in action for a while.

Thing is I have a friend that is actually taking Japanese exams, so I could get her on the translation team, but we'll have to wait until the end of May when she finishes her proficiency exams.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Thalion on April 29, 2014, 04:30:46 pm
Hello, everyone.

I actually found this thread via Google and have read through its entirety over the last couple days. I'd like to join in on this discussion (more on the thematic side, I suppose, since I know very little spoken Japanese and zero written). I would also like to thank you guys for keeping this discussion alive.

Reading these theories, explanations, and opinions has helped me craft my own theories and come to actually appreciate the novel's context in the FF X narrative (despite the absolutely terrible **** jokes that Tidus makes >.>). I've gone from outright hating the revealed information about the novella and audio drama to actually appreciating what Nojima is attempting to do and wanting to push for a FF X-3. Why? Because any sort of resolution is better than the open-endedness they've given us.

So, hi, please take care of me ^.^
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: SilverPrince on April 29, 2014, 07:02:38 pm
Hello, everyone.

I actually found this thread via Google and have read through its entirety over the last couple days. I'd like to join in on this discussion (more on the thematic side, I suppose, since I know very little spoken Japanese and zero written). I would also like to thank you guys for keeping this discussion alive.

Reading these theories, explanations, and opinions has helped me craft my own theories and come to actually appreciate the novel's context in the FF X narrative (despite the absolutely terrible **** jokes that Tidus makes >.>). I've gone from outright hating the revealed information about the novella and audio drama to actually appreciating what Nojima is attempting to do and wanting to push for a FF X-3. Why? Because any sort of resolution is better than the open-endedness they've given us.

So, hi, please take care of me ^.^

The only reason there's open-endedness in it is because they blew a gigantic hole in it though. Sure, there were some things that could be asked about the ending of X-2, but that's to be expected since it's impossible to totally close a story. Now if you want a game that really has some loose ends, play Tales of the Abyss, if you haven't already. Anyway, the way the story ended was just fine and there was no reason to reopen it.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Thalion on April 29, 2014, 08:01:52 pm
I completely agree that they caused this mess themselves. But they need to at least repair it in some medium.

By the way, I did have a question. There was talk of Yuna and Tidus experiencing memory loss due to his "beckoning" correct? And if they both remembered it would be undone?

If that's the case, do we know what in particular Yuna forgot?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: SilverPrince on April 30, 2014, 12:48:08 am
I completely agree that they caused this mess themselves. But they need to at least repair it in some medium.

By the way, I did have a question. There was talk of Yuna and Tidus experiencing memory loss due to his "beckoning" correct? And if they both remembered it would be undone?

If that's the case, do we know what in particular Yuna forgot?

They could just say, "April Fools! The real X-3 will lead Spira into Gaia" and fix it that way. The first chapter alone already looks to contradict Last Mission from FFX-2.

Hard to say. You hear all kinds of different things about it. I think it'll only be undone if Tidus remembers, Yuna doesn't matter. In addition to that, it appears she's forgotten some things too, but it's hard to pinpoint exactly what's missing without the full translation.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Thalion on April 30, 2014, 11:22:16 am
I really do wish a fan translation would be completed, but I know it's difficult and time consuming. I was under the impression from the snippets we do have translated and available that were some viewpoint changes throughout the novella. I was playing with the idea of if Tidus' memories are stated to be tainted later in the novella, the earlier chapters which are told from Tidus' perspective could be "tainted" as well, going for an untrustworthy narrator perspective. This could explain the discrepancies between LM and the first chapter.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on May 01, 2014, 12:34:43 pm
I dont know what tocthink of this,  its so confusing , if they do a X-3, they would make a disturbed-maniac-sad-confused- angry Tidus, the total opposite of him, poor Tidus...and I understood why Yuna is doing this thing to protect him but i dont think its the best way
 But im pissed off with Rikku and Lulu, and all the people who were cold with Tidus.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Thalion on May 01, 2014, 02:28:10 pm
That was part of why I'm hoping for the Tidus portions of the novella to be "fake", so to speak, or to be part of his tainted memories.

In FF X-3, we would get a protagonist who feels abandoned by all the people who were most important to him, but it turns out it was all a lie, a false memory produced when his love decided to break the rules of reality to bring him back.


In addition, I might be overly influenced by the anime Golden Time. I sort of want the Tidus/Yuna plot to be resolved in the following:

The "Fake" Tidus adventures with Yuna, supporting her, and even though he is fundamentally different from Real Tidus, he grows and matures, and they fall in love.  Real Tidus is show these memories when he is brought back somehow (Re-creation of a Fayth using a Beast Core?), and he tells Yuna to continue on with Fake Tidus, because, unlike himself, he's had time to grow and learn and love the Yuna of the present instead of just the Yuna of the past.  Then, by some way which I don't know, Real Tidus gives up his existence to solidify the existence of Fake Tidus.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on May 03, 2014, 11:25:14 pm
 Hmmm... what Thalion said made sense, but i would feel a little sad, because the old love could die, But i still agree that is a very good idea, i like it, and i never thought of that idea, but thanks for sharing it  :D
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: kk on May 07, 2014, 12:26:36 am
Where oh where did Sora go? I'm staring to think that SE is setting out and paying for the silence of/kidnapping/assassinating any potential translators. Like they feel they must keep this shameful secret within Japan at least. They may not be able to take it back, but at least they can contain it. That's my theory. xD;
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Kassethanon on May 09, 2014, 08:51:55 am
I'm starting to think the same thing. Why do we  keep going threw translators like water. What I hate is that the american fans always seem to get screwed when it comes to games and/or other game related content. Some games never leave japan or if they do its years and years till they do. And we hardly ever see other game content.   I'm worried that ill hate the novella because ffx is one of my favorite games and I dont like what they are doing to the characters but I do have hopes it'll be fixed if we get a ffx 3. I loved square soft and loved enix. And was so happy and hopeful when they merged. But it seems they just don't get what the fans want. And SE just seems to keep going down hill. I really do hope we get a good quality ffx3 game and I thank all the translators we've had and hope some day we can read the novella on its entirety. Will left me with so many WTF moments, I hope things get resolved and in a way that most of us feel was done well.
Sorry for the long tangent, but I'm a long time reader, first time poster and had a lot to get off my chest.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: pierpaolo on May 19, 2014, 12:24:30 pm
I'm starting to think the same thing. Why do we  keep going threw translators like water. What I hate is that the american fans always seem to get screwed when it comes to games and/or other game related content. Some games never leave japan or if they do its years and years till they do. And we hardly ever see other game content.   I'm worried that ill hate the novella because ffx is one of my favorite games and I dont like what they are doing to the characters but I do have hopes it'll be fixed if we get a ffx 3. I loved square soft and loved enix. And was so happy and hopeful when they merged. But it seems they just don't get what the fans want. And SE just seems to keep going down hill. I really do hope we get a good quality ffx3 game and I thank all the translators we've had and hope some day we can read the novella on its entirety. Will left me with so many WTF moments, I hope things get resolved and in a way that most of us feel was done well.
Sorry for the long tangent, but I'm a long time reader, first time poster and had a lot to get off my chest.

European fans too. I'm Italian and we are the most screwed FF fans in the world. Not for language ( for me English version of FF is good ) but the fact we're PAL and not NTSC ( USA and Japan ). However for FF X-3 I have hope that SE'll make something. Novella and The Audio will be the prologue of the game. I think that every single fan of Final Fantasy wants a third chapter for FFX-3; after all we want a clear ending for this story!  :)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on May 19, 2014, 12:47:36 pm
Me too - the concept of an FFX-3 before all of this balderdash was the equivalent of a gaming miracle for me. The Good Ending of X-2 was so open-ended, you could have squeezed a full-fledged A game out of it... okay, maybe not, but still!

I really hope that if they do so happen to have plans for an X-3, and actually get it onto the shelves, I... I just want it to be satisfying. Good, you know? FFX was a classic and despite what people said, I loved X-2 and all its cheesy glory. I'll just be so... sad if X-3 turns out to be a disappointment, story or game-wise, and it is pretty obvious that they're taking some damn risky movements unless they change certain elements. One simple screw-up and the X saga could collapse, its name forever tainted. On the other hand, I don't think SE would have the guts to butcher one of their most popular and financially successful games, and essentially lose a bunch of fans. The VII compilation certainly had a lot of hits (Crisis Core) and misses (Dirge of Cerberus), but it was the game that broke the ice for JRPGs to cascade into the West. FFX and X-2 were immensely popular in Japan, and even the fans over there don't like these new instalments; they even hate them. That's saying a lot.

I'm predicting that SE might reveal something at E3 alongside the new XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 info; they did say we'd be in for a surprise. It might just be something about Type-0 or Agito, though. We can only dream, right?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Rob2112 on May 24, 2014, 09:40:18 pm
Hey guys, just read all 23 pages from this post.
Just had a few thoughts when yuna breaks up with tidus, he goes to talk to ull and she tells him "I thought you knew yuna better then that". She also says along the lines sin is back and if some one whisked hard enough anything could come back. Then tidus has an angry look and goes to fin yuna.........this reminds a lot of ffx when yuna went to deal with Seymour alone. I have a strong feeling she's trying to keep him out of it because she doesn't want him to disappear. I have hunch Seymour is back also and pulling the strings. He always wanted to control sin and now maybe he does.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: oceanicparadox on May 24, 2014, 11:40:02 pm
Hello! So, I'm new here and have been following the thread outside of the forum for a few weeks and I've got a few things I'd like to add myself if you guys don't mind. First off, I have a personal view I'd like to share about canon. Basically, to me, I follow whatever format the first introduction came in on, in this case a video game. From there I'll look at other avenues like novella or animation and whatnot. Of course you will find something that doesn't agree with the original storyline on some level. My thoughts divide, however, when the 'extension' like the novella blatantly ignores key points of the story. I've read numerous things in this thread that suggest that same thing: ignoring Yuna's and Tidus' last words at the end of the 'good ending' in X-2 is a great one. Now, the thing I wanted to point out that I didn't see here yet (maybe I skipped it or maybe it really hasn't been mentioned) was not just the good ending but the 'perfect ending'. Anybody here get that one yet? I know it's been years but maybe some people haven't...

SPOILER! You know, in case you haven't seen it...
Doesn't the perfect ending have both Tidus and Yuna in the old Zanarkand ruins? Now, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the novella immediately kick off right after Yuna and Tidus arrive on the beach and straight into the celebration that night? Why bother head off three days later to somewhere else if they had another trip to Zanarkand? Weren't Yuna and Tidus fine then too? I don't know, maybe there's something I'm not seeing, but it seems to me that the novella is stomping not only on 'Last Mission' but also the extended ending (thats what I like to call it) of the second game too.
SPOILERS OVER

I've heard a lot about the creators wanting people to interpret things their own way and that the novella and audio drama are there to extend the story for people...but that honestly does not sound like the two were meant to be considered canon. I don't know. It feels strange to me :(

Excuse me please for talking so much and possibly not making sense. Also, side note, I am a big fan of Tidus (alot of the non-brooding characters lately get picked on :( ). It sucks that SE did this to such a great character....
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Rob2112 on May 25, 2014, 12:37:54 am
Oceanicparadox on point it totally skips the perfect ending
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on May 25, 2014, 04:34:47 am
Sweet! Another fan of Tidus makes me a fan of you. :3

But yeah, the fact that this novel seems to ignore key points established by canon is really pretty weird to me. I have heard that other game-related novels in Japan play along this formula; ignoring parts of canon and having a darker and more violent tone to it than usual, usually because it's the writer's true vision of the game without any supervision from a company or Quality Assurance. This isn't the first time that Nojima displayed his disturbing visions on the game: originally, Tidus was going to be the unsent of the party, but it was given to Auron due to Sixth Sense having a similar plot point. The fact that Tidus is a zombie-like being at the end of the novel and in the drama could stem from Nojima's desire to have him be an unsent.

However, it's not like Square hasn't stripped a novel of its stance as canon before. I remember people talking about how VII's novel (On The Way To A Smile) completely screwed up the storyline of Nibelheim, and they had Crisis Core completely rewrite it to revoke the complaints. I've also heard rumours that Square dismissed the creation of an X-3 due to the worldwide backlash that Will and Eternal Cost got, only saying that it was to 'expand the universe' rather than make a sequel. On that note, it could be possible for them to start an X-3 from scratch and ignore the two added bonuses, especially seeing as how Eternal Cost was only released in Japan, and it's unlikely that we'll get an international release. Will could be seen as a 'what if' story. Or a dream. I dunno.

On another note, I was browsing a thread on Mognetcentral yesterday, and I found some other questionable details from the guy who first suggested the 'boat sex' theory. First up is the fact that during blitzball practice, Tidus has gotten worse at blitzball and can't catch up with the Aurochs. I don't know if it's just rust, though. Either way, it makes him really sad.

Second is at this point, Yuna is still talking to the vilage elders. Tidus then figures that if he made the elders 'disappear,' everything will return to normal and he'll have Yuna to himself... Yeah. Granted, I don't competely blame him, but picturing this depressed Tidus planning a serial murder just... it's disturbing.

Lastly, Tidus spirals further into this depression and starts wondering if Yuna even missed him at all, and begins to hate himself over it.

I can't really say that this is all true seeing as how the 'boat sex' thing was all wrong, but... that predicted what was going to come for us. Reading all the details we have so far makes me wonder if Nojima has a major grudge against Tidus or something. Seriously, this isn't normal. Loneliness, depression, out-of-place behaviour, decapitation and mental alteration, as well as physical hindrance and heartbreak in Will... I mean, damn. There better be a good reason for all of this, like setting up a revenge or redemption story. Some people might find Tidus' suffering brilliant to them, but hell no! This is creepy as f***, and don't you deny it!

Makes me wonder if Spoony struck a deal with Nojima to let him write Tidus' fate, seeing how much he resents the poor guy.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: city on May 28, 2014, 09:14:55 pm
I can think of a simple way SE could rectify the situation.

1) State that the Novel was not cannon!

2) Develop the Audio Drama further.  How about something like this:
...(mind; we are ignoring the Novel)...





2 Years have passed since Tidus came back to Sipra and the Vegnagun incident occurred, and 4 years since the demise of Sin/YuYevon.

This has left a lot of people uncertain, as we saw evidenced in X-2 with the introduction of the new Factions; New Yevon, et al.  However the trauma caused by the Vegnagun incident combined with the fear of uncertainty in a time where these peoples' religion have been ripped away from them has left the majority of Spira scared. 

Some new Factions have arisen in the midst of this; and they have proposed radical action.  To completely seal the Farplane from the world of Spira.  This has caused great anxiety for a huge number of people, but Summoners and former members of Yevon formost. 

The majority of the Spirian population is actually on side with this proposal.  The theory is, once the Farplane is completely closed off, the pyerflyes and spirits will be forever sealed; effectively keeping the "fear of the unknown" exactly that, unknown.  The re-occurrence of deceased memories at the Moonflow and Sin's appearance have only furthered peoples fear of the Farplane.

We know since the events of X the Farplane was "unstable", and during the events of X-2, the "instability" was due to the anger of some unsent and their actions caused by their use of the Farplane and escape into the mortal world. 

The new plan to completely close the Farplane off has Yuna terrified of the reprecussions.  This would mean completely losing touch to all of the benefits of the Farplane, and she fears she would lose some of herself.  As a Summoner, she had first hand experiences with unsent in the form of the Aeons, not to mention Tidus.  She fears that the closure will cost everyone in Spira the loss of their identity.  She fears for the loss of Tidus.

A new Faction, let's call them the "pro-closure" Faction is leading this change.  They are not necessarily EVIL, but maybe a bit sly.  Yuna and Co. might go on an adventure to meet with this new council and discuss options.  On this journy Yuna and Tidus re-establish their relationship, and a theme of "never losing who you WERE" is a very important factor to the story.  We saw in X the moral of "it's not the destination it's the journey", and we saw in X-2 the moral was "stand up for what you believe in/learn to say "no"/ be yourself etc."  Now, in X-3 we can see that both of these journies were just a set up for "knowing who you are and how you became that way". 

There is an opposing faction who claims that the destruction of the Farplane will destroy Spira.  They oppose Yuna and Co and are fought and seen as enemies of the party, while Yuna is still conflicted with her decisions.

The story will climax with Yuna and Co realising that the Farplane is a hinderance to the evolution of Spira, and they will resolve to close it finally.  They jouney to the heart of the Farplane/Guadosalam or wherever the link between the worlds exists with all intentions of destrying the link. 

Only once there, it is reveled (ala X Yunalesca style), that the destruction of the Farplane would destroy Spira etc. etc..  This will also reveal that the "pro closure" Faction was in fact evil and they were hoping to destroy Spira for XYZ reasons.  Purify it, what have you.  They are also responsible for the re-emergence of Sin to perpetuate fear in the people.

This leads to the finale; where Yuna and Co to do exactly the opposite (like Kindgom hearts, opening the door); they release the Farplane from it's confines (Avatar Kora style), and release it into the mortal world.  This is hugely beneficial to the world of Spira and we see it's effects immediatly; Macalania starts to re-grow, the clouds above Gagazette clear, the storm in the Thunder Plains rolls to an end.  It is revealed that Sprira needs the Farplane to be one in the same.  And it is emphasized that you cannot throw your past away; it is always part of you.  (see Deanery's quote from ASoIAF, "If I look back I am lost" - untrue.)  You can only look to your past to see how your future will grow.

Tidus regains his strength.  He and Yuna have fully reconciled.  Pyerflyes explode into the mortal world as beautiful fireworks, everyone cheers etc. etc.  The story concludes on a happy, satisfying note. 



....


There you have it SE, that is how you can save the story.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on May 29, 2014, 01:17:36 pm
@ CyrstalOfLies

Whaaaaaat!?

Daaaaaaaamn, Tidus is so ****ed.

They are really killing me here. And I heard about Last Mission being edited to hell, wow, I'd been looking forward to that for years and it was one of the major reasons I bought the remaster! Square Enix, what did we do to deserve this!?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on May 31, 2014, 08:13:35 am
I just wish they could fix all this, they seriously need to do someyhing about this crazy stuff.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Noctoura on June 23, 2014, 01:19:27 pm
Hello everyone,

I was reading this thread all day after I finished X-2 and listened to the FFX Extra/Credits.

First of all: I was playing FFX from 2002 until now, the hd remastered version. When I first played the game I realized how awesome the story was. At first pretty confusing but the love story was so intens that I almost cryied. I never played X-2 before the remastered version. I only watched my older sister playing through the game. Now I have "finished" the story of the game, I was wondering about these extras in the menu. So I clicked on it and keep listening after the opeing with Tidus' voice. At the end I was like 'hm I really want no second sin coming, I was pretty happy beating him finally.' The novel is pretty bad actually. I want to tell you this, because I am a huge fan of FFX and Tidus - Yuna - Love Story and share my thoughts with you.

I can't believe that they did this. I mean Tidus got another chance but SE just throw it away and make it so chaotic. The Story was straight. You was fighting for something but in the novel it seems like it doesn't matter how hard you fight you will still loose it ?

I like X-2 actually besides some mini games which pretty made me angry, but the character experience and how yuna grows up is still not bad. You can indentify yourself with them and see different aspects. In the novel there is no kind of message. It is just a story. So the audio file. There is no message and I don't understand what the heck they are doing. Square Enix should have stopped right after X-2. A Final Fantasy X-3 would be awesome but please not with this side story crap. The Storys in the novel and from the audio file were not that bad, that I would say hell dumb this right now. I don't like the fact that Tidus is "dead" because if they will go and fight sin he will disappear again and the struggle will find no end. My heart got really broken after I read that novel. Final Fantasy X is one of my favourite games of all time and this unfinished 'maybe we will - maybe not' is ridiculous. Also Final Fantasy X was my first Final Fantasy I ever played and I got so many good memories from it but with this novel and audio file SE is killing it right now.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Grellotine on July 30, 2014, 09:02:04 am
Finally I caught up with this thread. It's all very scary and disturbing but I'm keeping my mind open... but what happened to all the translators? (mainly the last one)
That's the creepiest part of this whole ordeal.
Also the rumours about a FF XII HD remaster are back and stronger than ever, meaning X-3 has a chance.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on July 30, 2014, 09:55:58 am
That's what I'm worried about also. SoraxWare disappeared, and so did her Facebook page. Nobody seems to like talking about the X-2.5 novella. Not even gaming websites or sites like siliconera and Kotaku talk about it. They all just seem to ignore its existence.

I had a crazy theory that Square Enix is removing all evidence of the novella pages outside of Japan from the internet, and is warning or bribing experienced translators interested in the novel to keep quiet. Because they know that if it's fully translated and can be read globally by the English fanbase, their reputation will be damaged beyond what it's like right now.

How else am I going to explain why the novella seemingly goes undetected by even the most devoted fans?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Grellotine on July 30, 2014, 01:01:16 pm
That could actually be the case, but that means square is keeping a close eye on a large portion of the internet.
The thing is , I have a friend who is studying Japanese at university and he wants to go into translation once he's finished the course. I asked him if he would like to translate this novella and he seemed interested.
However, he is still playing FF X and when I mentioned that it could spoil the game for him he seemed discouraged. Either way I can still try and see where this goes, I just need to find scans of the book.
Also he's a really close friend so if he disappears I can just show up at his house (if square hasnt killed him,that is).
Wish me good luck and I'll let ya'll know if this is going anywhere

PS: That said, does anyone know where I can get scans of the book? I'd buy it but I've got no funds at the minute, so any scans would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on July 30, 2014, 02:26:16 pm
All right! In that case, when he finishes his course (when, if you don't mind me asking?) then I can rally everybody up to revive this dead wasteland of a forum. I'm pretty much the only one left. I'm like the lone ghost who wanders the battlefield endlessly after the war. :/

To be fair, a simple Google search of 'ffx-2.5' brings up topics, articles and many rants about the subject. Square Enix could totally hijack any posts with access to the novella if they could. Unfortunately, scans are very hard to come by (we only found three page scans! Three! And those might just be scans provided from a translator who actually had the book!) and the only chances of you hoping to find any more would be lurking around Japanese or other foreign language sites, and even those are mysteriously disappearing from the Google Search radar (the 2chan discussion boards for example).

You're right: this whole thing is eerie. I can't believe seven months have already passed since the novella was first exposed. What caused a MASSIVE outrage amongst the FFX fan community has now slipped away into nothingness, only brought up occasionally by that one person who was late to the party.

Unless rumours are true and X-3 is announced. Then the storm will pick up again, like the good old days of December 2013. :P
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Grellotine on July 30, 2014, 06:35:29 pm
Hah, the golden age, eh?
My friend still has 3 years or so left of his course, but he can get practicing now. I asked and he said he is willing to try, although it will take a while (I'm not sure how long we're talking here , but he's very talented ).
I looked for scans and only found the pages you mentioned, which sucks. Fortunately I found the novella cheap on yesasia.com and maybe I'll be able to purchase it next month.
The whole process might take a while, but I need to know the rest of the book!
As of today I've created topics on certain anime communities about X-3, to see if anyone is aware/remembers the whole uproar the novella caused. So far, no response  :'(
But please don't abandon the forum, we're like, the last ones left in a zombie apocalypse :p
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on August 02, 2014, 12:35:39 am
It is true that SE is into something weird, i always try to find scan pages of the book but the only one i came up with were with the ones that are already here, I think SE realized the disaster they made with the book and they are deleting all kind of information, and the last translator dissapeared. And I'm sad that they have left all this madness in a cliffhanger, I don't even think they'll try to fix this. And I'm sad because as much as I hate that book for ruining such a beautiful story, I am also curious for knowing what was the stuff in that creepy book that pissed off so many people. This is sad, SE, you definitely destroyed one of the best, if not, the best Final Fantasy in your franchise :-(

P.S: And its also sad that this forum is so dead already :(
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on August 08, 2014, 07:14:46 pm
"On another note, I was browsing a thread on Mognetcentral yesterday, and I found some other questionable details from the guy who first suggested the 'boat sex' theory. First up is the fact that during blitzball practice, Tidus has gotten worse at blitzball and can't catch up with the Aurochs. I don't know if it's just rust, though. Either way, it makes him really sad.

Second is at this point, Yuna is still talking to the vilage elders. Tidus then figures that if he made the elders 'disappear,' everything will return to normal and he'll have Yuna to himself... Yeah. Granted, I don't competely blame him, but picturing this depressed Tidus planning a serial murder just... it's disturbing."


If it's true about Tidus not being able to keep up with the Aurochs, damn. Can we just talk about how unrealistic that is for a moment? Tidus lived, breathed, and ate blitzball since he was in diapers. For all intents and purposes I think we were supposed to consider him as one of the fittest people in Dream Zanarkand as well as Spira. Now they're trying to tell us that he couldn't keep up with the Aurochs, who we all know suck hard core balls - I'm pretty sure there are little league blitzball teams beating them. To make an analogy using music, the Aurochs are like the Vanilla Ice of blitzball, ain't nobody out there for them and they haven't had a hit in over 20 years . And Tidus is supposed to be the Michael Jackson of blitzball. (Ha ha, snuck that one right in there, Crystal. :3)

Tidus was destined to be a star and talent's in his DNA - he's not just going to lose it. I don't care if he was literally sleeping in the ocean for two years, he should've been able to out jog them bishes. We all know that the Aurochs just sit around eating the Spiran equivalent of cheeseburgers and m*sturbating, they are not conditioned athletes. So in conclusion, Tidus having inferior game to them is just f***ed up.

If this is true, they've successfully taken the two things that matter the most to him in the world - Yuna and blitzball. Square really stabbed his heart, it's like they're the diabolical villain trying to go after Tidus's biggest weaknesses, hm, did we just segue into a plot for Spider-Man?

After awakening from a coma induced by saving New York City from the most dire evil yet, Peter Parker has discovered his arachnoid powers are defunct, street vandals have stolen his costume and Mary Jane is screwing the Green Goblin.

This might just make Tiida into a serial killer...... I'm not gonna' lie, that'd be totally cool.  :-X  Just, it would have been nice if they made such a plotline separate from the main one. You know, it's something that's just fine for fanfiction but not actually in-game universe, canon for serious and not for lulz.  >:( I wonder what they're thinking about all this at Square headquarters. Are people giving Nojima the side-eye, are they laughing at us? To be a fly on the wall who speaks Japanese. :/

Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on August 09, 2014, 01:35:06 pm
Exactly, Tidus was like the Michael Jackson of Spira (except he was an athlete and Michael was a singer) but anyways, to think that SE wants to ruin one of his strongest protagonists of the series is just...wrong.

P.S: i love Michael Jackson so much :3
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on August 15, 2014, 05:04:27 am
It makes me wonder if Nojima went on a fanfiction-binge before writing this novella. I've read fanfiction that have the exact same set-ups as this, with either Yuna ignoring Tidus or Tidus sucking at blitzball because he was in an underwater coma for two years. In fact, I think Tidus was still doing stuff in the Farplane during X-2, like at the end of Chapter 3 when you whistle in the Farplane to summon him. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Nojima became a closeted Tidus-hater after penning FFX and X-2. It would explain why he's just bombarding his character with tragedies, out-of-place dialogue and basically turned him into one big plot-device magnet. He's pretty much making Yuna look like a Mary Sue in comparison. At least in X-2.5, he got one good night with Yuna... before his life went to chaos.

And what's with this 'we're not making X-3' thing? Are we just meant to assume that Spira's screwed? Is Tidus going to resolve things with Yuna? Is Yuna gonna do the you-know-what with Kurgum and make Tidus into a serial killer? We need closure on this thing! You know Nojima, if you wanted a positive fan response, you shouldn't have thrown all of these Twilight Zone-like twists and plots into it. If you weren't sure that you were gonna continue it, you should have ended the drama on an ambiguous note instead of an inevitable foreboding atmosphere. You said that the novella and drama were to say that Sin will always be a part of Spira, so the spiral essentially will never be broken no matter how hard people try? Gee, so much for X-2's ending. ._.

How about this for an audio drama: exploring our main character's lives after X-2, as well as watching Tidus and Yuna's growing romance. (GROWING romance. Not that pathetic cop-out Yuna had in X-2.5.) What if I had a plan for a sequel but I wasn't sure if it would work out? At the end, have somebody announce to the characters that something big is going on, and end it as soon as they have their first reactions. Leave it indistinguishable as a good thing or a bad thing, so I don't accidentally back-pedal on what was implied.

Yeesh, I'm sorry for the rant there.

Anyway, along with Grellotine trying to get her friend to translate some of the novel, I found another person on the Final Fantasy subreddit. He's fluent in Japanese, and while he doesn't have the book on hand, he probably asked some of his relatives in Japan to get it for him. Not all hope is lost yet, I think.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on August 26, 2014, 08:23:51 pm
Providing a resuscitation is fine by me.

I haven't checked in for over a month; thought you guys would have long left. There's no more hype about it anymore. People seem to have forgotten, or moved on.
Which is sad.
I don't think the games deserve that kind of treatment, but Nojima did hit us into left field with all of this.


Well, either way.
I personally don't think they're done with Nojima's optimism for a new game. His wacky ideas they're fed up with, but the potential for a new game seems too ripe to dismiss already, especially seeing the success of the HD remaster.
It'd be the perfect introduction...


basic business would warrant some type of follow-up, especially when a creator is interested in continuation, so I won't fold my cards just yet.


With solid translations, more people and a hint of hype from SE, maybe we really can breathe life back in here.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Grellotine on August 27, 2014, 10:57:33 am
Things aren't really looking good on my end, my friend doesn't seem interested at all in the translation anymore. But I have more friends who are studying Japanese at university. Doesn't look good, but I'll see what I can do. A solid translation is exactly what we need right now.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Ananda on August 31, 2014, 11:18:27 am
It makes me sad that this forum is so dead already, why SE can't give an announcement of the continuation of this? I mean, its been already a year since they announced the audio drama. And they have to continue the story, they can't just leave the story with the romance in crisis and Sin about to destroy Spira again! I just hope the TGS is our hope for us to know new news of FFX-3.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on September 18, 2014, 02:42:51 pm
Whoa-hoa! Is there a party going on or something? What's with all the guests all of a sudden?

http://imgur.com/Fd9qyFG
http://imgur.com/DfJiFFe

Hello, guests? Can you hear me?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: DevilTears777 on September 19, 2014, 05:41:22 pm
They all want to know what the **** is up with the translation without having to converse.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on September 26, 2014, 01:46:42 pm
Hey guys !

If you really want to know the truth about this novella, I may give you what you seek for, because Lumen Editions will publish it in France in December. I will read it carefully and give you all the answers. But if you know well my native langage, feel free to buy it and read it yourself !  ;)

Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on September 26, 2014, 02:30:07 pm
Oh, please do! We need all the help we can get.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on September 29, 2014, 03:49:01 pm
Oh well... I just take a new look at this thread and It seems I missed some posts while I was absent (the truth is that I am following it since the beginning).

But don't worry, you will know everything in December. Lumen has not officially announced the novella yet, but I know that it will be published on 12/04/2014 (4th December).

But don't expect me to translate the novella, it is too much (but I can translate some important passages). I will answer all of your questions and give you the most important informations. My english is not very good but sufficient for you to understand. And of course, if you understand my langage, buy the novella !  ;D

By the way... Am I the only French here ?

Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on September 29, 2014, 04:11:51 pm
I speak a tiny bit of French, but definitely not enough to warrant a translation.

Seeing as how it's getting a French translation, there's probably hope that there's gonna be an English translation as well... though I doubt it.

What I want to know about the most is Tidus' 'bizarre' behaviour after his revival. What kind of dialogue he has and what he does that warrants Yuna to break away from him. Also we definitely need confirmation on Tidus' sudden perverted behaviour: that's probably the most controversial part. Especially the part where he pretty much admitted that he, uh... polished his Caladbolg to her at one point if you know what I mean. Some more information on Ifernal and Kushu would be appreciated as well.

I'd also like to see confirmation if he really does contemplate murdering Besaid's village elders. That's just plain creepy and not like Tidus at all.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on September 29, 2014, 04:34:55 pm
Is Sorax truthful ? I mean... I don't imagine Nojima talking about Tidus' Caladbolg - as you say  ;D - so... 'abruptly'

About the translation, be aware that Lumen is a french publisher - they published "FFVII On the way to a smile" in april, "FFXIII Episode Zero -Promise-" in august (and finally FFX-2.5 in December). So yeah... I don't think you will see a english translation so soon...

Do you have an 'official' publisher in UK/US ? (for FF novellas I mean)



Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on October 22, 2014, 05:16:43 am
Hey guys ! The official announcement is here !

-> https://www.facebook.com/1442843972617842/photos/a.1442846222617617.1073741828.1442843972617842/1551176761784562/?type=1&theater

(https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10347486_1551176761784562_4015527212263728613_n.jpg?oh=77a7a49b49728b25b857fbd358729387&oe=54B30060)

So, the title is "Le prix de l'éternité" (So I assume "Eternal Cost" is the right title ?)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on October 22, 2014, 10:27:05 am
Hm, 'le prix de l'eternite' is literally 'the price of eternity'. But like some other translator said, that doesn't really make sense in a European/Western language. Whereas 'Eternal Cost' would make more sense regarding the overall story of the novel, which is both Tidus having to accept the fact that Spira has moved on without him, and Yuna having to deal with Tidus' changes which she pretty much brought onto him.

It's not too far from release either! Hopefully we'll get some answers soon.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on October 23, 2014, 05:19:11 am
Wooh someone post information in a "bull-s-h-i-t" way, on a new thread on neogaf (dealing with the novella), and everyone follows this thing. What a bunch of morons !  >:(
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on October 23, 2014, 09:57:26 am
Really? Can you link it?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Azuardo on October 23, 2014, 10:43:10 am
Wooh someone post information in a "bull-s-h-i-t" way, on a new thread on neogaf (dealing with the novella), and everyone follows this thing. What a bunch of morons !  >:(
"Morons" is a bit harsh. Yes, some may have posted the odd bit of misinformation, but let's be honest, the mistranslations have spread thick and fast over the Internet; it's easy for people to be mislead about exactly what's written in the novella. Truthfully, though, most things mentioned by people aren't actually that far from what is written anyway - it's still generally accepted by both those who know the full facts and those who have been slightly mislead that the content is absurd. So it doesn't matter too much about inconsistent translations. Does it matter whether Tidus didn't or did kick what looked like a blitzball? Not really. The writing is still atrocious.

Anyway, hi to all, and thanks for this topic and the translations gone into this so far. Had lurked the thread a few months back, and just popped back here after the novella French translation announcement. I've been maddeningly appauled at this novel and the audio drama. The story of FFX is being butchered, and I am shocked at Nojima and for SE allowing this to become canon. I've lost a huge amount of respect for them over this.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on October 23, 2014, 10:57:59 am
Same here. I was one of those people who thought that SE wasn't really all that bad, and that they were actually getting better back in 2013. They have a new president, they're localising Type-0 and the upcoming XV looks incredibly promising. I didn't really have a strong opinion on the XIII saga altogether, and I was wondering why seemingly everyone was treating SE like it had killed their families and gave them amnesia shortly afterwards.

Needless to say, after watching in all five stages of grief of how my two favourite entries in the FF series were getting torn apart; watching the characters and the story I knew and loved just become mere shells of themselves, and seemingly without care or passion, I kind of understand where that hatred is coming from now. I still consider SE one of the better companies when it comes to listening to feedback and such, but this just tainted my views on them and, shamefully, I wonder if Nojima is stable or capable enough to write any more stories. Guy needs to retire before his experiments sends Spira into madness.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on October 23, 2014, 01:37:52 pm
"Two new characters
Aurons Daughter
Cuckold Yuna
Tidus gets killed by kicking a Bomb Monster (cause he thought that it was a Blitzball)
Loses his head, Yuna faints, Yuna resurects him
Yuna says she doesnt love him anymore surely you jest
New guy wants Yunas p-u-s-s-y
Sin is back surely you jest
Yuna wants to fight him

The end"

He said, but it is the reactions that sadden me...

The fact is I don't understand why people think like that. I mean, Tidus and Yuna are 17-20 years old, they are young so why is it bad to see them flirting with each other for example ? Why is the dead of Tidus a terrible thing ? People only think of that and don't ask themselves who throws the ball and the reason behind this...

Here are examples among so many others... and I don't like selective or hung-up people.

Furthermore, at least 99,9999999% of them did not read the novella and don't - want to - know that there are other things described.

Of course, I can't say if the novella is good or not but people should try to think more consciously because I just see influenced people.

Finally, I will receive the novella in November (between the 15th and the 30th) ! Yeah !  ;)

Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Azuardo on October 23, 2014, 02:24:47 pm
That's fine - if you like a lot of the things in the novella and want to read it fully, great.

Fact is, many people think a heck of a lot of the stuff mentioned in there is perverted, completely unlike anything in the game's storyline previously, and that it pretty much butchers and ****s over the original plot and characters (not just taking about the sexual stuff, here; Sin and other dead people coming back, and the manner in which Tidus is killed, as well as killing him at all, is a joke). If you think differently, I have no problem with that. I, however, think the majority of the stuff highlighted by most people is with very good reason, and that those who think it's disgusting writing are correct, considering this does not suit the themes and settings of the original game at all.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on October 23, 2014, 03:01:43 pm
If it is really bad, I won't deny it, of course. But I really want people to read the novella by themselves.

I think there is a sizeable difference between a game and a novella too. There's only words in a novella, no picture, no voice, so Nojima may have written in a more intensive way and that's why we have more agressive talkings, events and descriptions, and that may be why Square Enix allowed him to publish it.

Personnally, I appreciate his engagement in this way.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Azuardo on October 23, 2014, 03:12:19 pm
You can write a book that doesn't consist of smut, and brutal killings and personality changes of main characters, and so casually reviving the enemies us players spent hours of investment in defeating.

Books are fine to expand a story. The content in this one is appauling.

I've read the ratings and thoughts of many Japanese fans who've read it, and they think they same thing.

As a fan of FFX, I don't appreciate this at all. I wish I knew what on earth Nojima and SE were thinking, and I am not setting my hopes high for FF15 in the slightest now.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on October 23, 2014, 04:38:58 pm
You can write a book that doesn't consist of smut, and brutal killings and personality changes of main characters, and so casually reviving the enemies us players spent hours of investment in defeating.

What a stupid statement... you are like everyone, a hung-up person, with the will to dictate the history of people... (else you wouldn't say such things)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Azuardo on October 23, 2014, 04:48:56 pm
Eesh. I'm saying the tone does not fit what we have come to associate with the themes of FFX in the slightest. This is a huge unnecessary shift in tone.

Forgive me for loving Tidus and other characters' original personalities, and for hating seeing them change to questionable standards in this novella. Forgive me for thinking blowing Tidus up and having his head fly across Yuna's eyes is not a sickeningly needless way to kill the main character of the series. Forgive me for thinking it is a slap in the face to have Sin return after spending an entire game and what is essentially a thousand-year journey for the people of Spira in trying to defeat it. Forgive me for thinking the sudden countless mentions of sex and adding this sex-fayth method is completely out of tone and simply not needed.

I respect your opinion of the novel, but surely you can understand why people think this level of storytelling does not fit in the FFX narrative we've come to expect. Your last comment there is odd and hardly adds to the discussion. I have no problems with sex and gore, but only where it fits. This is a huge shift. It simply does not fit with FFX, or almost any FF narrative, for that matter.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on October 23, 2014, 05:11:06 pm
I can understand you don't like it, but saying it should not be related with a game like FFX is wrong. Only Square Enix can decide this point. The story is owned by Nojima (or Square Enix, choose one), it is not yours.

To sum up, you can say "I don't like it" but you can't say "It is bad". I just mean that.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Azuardo on October 23, 2014, 05:42:22 pm
Odd thing to say. It is not wrong to have an opinion. In my opinion, this novel is bad, and should not have been made.

Square Enix can and will do whatever it wants, but I am entitled to say whether I think it's the wrong decision or if it is bad.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on October 23, 2014, 06:20:57 pm
Well, it's just that you didn't say it before as you did now. It was :

It simply does not fit with FFX, or almost any FF narrative, for that matter.

It's as if this statement was the right one and nothing else can be said.

I just want people to precise their opinion so...

In my opinion, this novel is bad, and should not have been made.

-> I'm Ok.

Square Enix can and will do whatever it wants, but I am entitled to say whether I think it's the wrong decision or if it is bad.

-> Just NO... because it supposes you are the only one who chooses whether or not this novella is good or bad, as if you represented everyone.

My goal is not to critizise you, but I just want everyone to express their opinion the right way... Don't think badly of me, I don't think badly of you.

Anyway, good night.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Azuardo on October 23, 2014, 06:25:03 pm
People shouldn't need to put "In my opinion..." onto every single post they make when expressing their thoughts on something. It should be clear when one is expressing an opinion and stating fact. Obviously me saying "It is bad" is not fact, but my opinion. If people want to debate my thoughts on something, they're more than welcome to, but in no way when expressing my personal opinion am I trying to speak for everyone - of course not. I've already stated I respect your views on the book based on what you know about it.

Good night.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on November 25, 2014, 12:17:44 pm
Hey guys ! I just finished the novella !

Just to clarify, I won't be able to give you "important" informations until the 4th. It is a personnal matter between me, the one who provided me the novella, and the editor, so don't ask more about it please.

However, I will answer the questions from CrystalOfLies (light answers) :

What I want to know about the most is Tidus' 'bizarre' behaviour after his revival. What kind of dialogue he has and what he does that warrants Yuna to break away from him.

-> At the beginning Tidus feels isolated, he can't see Yuna (the elders...) and histories from Rikku just get him angry. There are others things but I can't go further for the moment, it is too complex and enters in the section "important".

Also we definitely need confirmation on Tidus' sudden perverted behaviour: that's probably the most controversial part. Especially the part where he pretty much admitted that he, uh... polished his Caladbolg to her at one point if you know what I mean.

-> The "famous Caladbolg" is not mentioned in the novella, just some dreams from the one who said this to you. For the perverted behaviour, I will say more later, but he's not a sexual machine, it is very exagerated by some people I don't know, so don't worry ;)

(The translation of the bathing suit scene from Kamina seems wrong at the end... I asked the editor for this point)

Some more information on Ifernal and Kushu would be appreciated as well.

-> Can't say a lot of things now because they are very important, just know that they were two summoners secluded in Besaid (1000 years ago)

I'd also like to see confirmation if he really does contemplate murdering Besaid's village elders. That's just plain creepy and not like Tidus at all.

-> There is no such thing in the novella. The elders just p-i-s-s him off for keeping Yuna away from him at the beginning.


If you have important questions, just write them now, I will prepare the answers for the 4th ;)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: kk on November 25, 2014, 03:34:41 pm
So excited to hear more from someone who actually got to read the novel!!!! Thanks ChercheurObscur! Will be looking forward to your insights :D
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on November 25, 2014, 03:44:37 pm
Of course! Thank you so much for doing this for us. It's nice to see that Tidus isn't as much of a testosterone-packer as was depicted, in fact I think it was pretty funny that he pointed out Yuna's half-nakedness as a state of fact rather than try to flirt. I could see him doing that.

Here are my main questions for the fourth:

Tidus' behaviour on Besaid in general. Does he feel out-of-character? Are there any more moments where we are supposed to feel sympathy for him? Do any of the other characters act weird towards him?
Does Tidus actually lose his talent for blitzball?
I would like some confirmation on this scene: do Tidus and Yuna do the sexy times on the ship before the storm or after they find out about the storm?
I heard tell that there's a sex scene between Kushu and Briah, funnily enough right before they find out about the blitzball mines. Is this true?
Apparently after Tidus' death, Ifernal's spirit meets Yuna and Kushu's spirit meets Tidus. Some full details on what transpired between the two pairs would be appreciated, especially the part where Yuna's past memories and emotions are seemingly locked away.
Definitely some details on Tidus' behaviour after his second revival. How does he act towards Yuna and the world, and what about him makes Yuna snap and break away from him?

I would also like your personal opinion on the novel's story, as well as some page scans if you're able to do that. I might have more questions but at the moment I'm just so overwhelmed.

Also, it's been announced that Square Enix will reveal a new console RPG in December. Could... could this be the FFX-3 we've all been waiting for?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on November 25, 2014, 04:09:33 pm
For your information, Briah (Bria in my novel) is named Valm in the past. It is a pseudo and I will tell you later its origin.

I would also like your personal opinion on the novel's story.

-> The novel is very good, I am serious. The history with Kushu, Ifarnal and Valm (Kush and Ifanahl in my novel) is just wonderful... but very sad. Lot of blood too... There is just one moment in the novella where I didn't really understand why Tidus and Yuna were away from each other. The final act is very sad too, but it is a happy moment too in some way and it will surprise you I think :) I really don't understand why the novel was criticized so much.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: CrystalOfLies on November 25, 2014, 04:20:05 pm
It was probably because a lot of vital information that would counteract the controversial stuff was missing from the translations. They mostly focused on Headless Tidus, their break-up and how many inches Tidus' Caladbolg was. Because they're the most shocking bits.

That being said, if there's a valid and understandable explanation for everything as well as some good stuff, I might redact my deep hatred for the novel. Hmm, but all those negative Japanese reviews has to say something, right?

Also that 'surprise' at the end... Could it be that my theory of 're-revived Tidus is actually the reincarnation of Briah/Valm' is true?
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on November 25, 2014, 04:38:14 pm
Hmm, but all those negative Japanese reviews has to say something, right?

Well, maybe Tidus' death ? But when I will tell you the origin of the bomb... poor Tidus :-X

Also that 'surprise' at the end... Could it be that my theory of 're-revived Tidus is actually the reincarnation of Briah/Valm' is true?

No, no, no. I said surprise because you can't think of it just like that.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: kk on November 26, 2014, 12:37:56 am
I'm glad to hear you didn't hate it. That makes me feel a little more optimisitic about it. But, while I am interested and keeping an open-mind, I still really don't think I will like or ever accept the novel as canon. xD

Because to me, while many of the details that bothered other people (the conflicts between Tidus and Yuna, for example) don't bother me that much, there is just no way I can conceive to justify killing off the main character in your series in such a off-handed way like the bomb. It feels... almost disrespectful, in a way, you know? Like, would they ever do that to Cloud or Lightning? Never. Not in a million years. But they'd do it to Tidus. And I'm just like... why? xD It feels gratuitous and not to mention, pointless and stupid, considering he was only just revived and if you want to use some kind of "his revival from death effected him" plotline, you could EASILY do it by using the end of X-2, what with the fact his existence was already shaky (dream? real? not even he knows), instead of killing him with a bomb mere days after reviving him... or is it more like hours? Also, this novel seems to disregard not only the perfect ending cutscene but Last Mission. So... yea... I'm still very skeptical, as much as your words give me a little hope.

[ deep breathe ] BUT ENOUGH OF MY RANTING. No more speculating without the whole facts. xD I'm hoping very much that when the French translation comes out, someone will then translate it fully to English!
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on November 26, 2014, 03:56:11 am
It is true it is not a cool way to die. BUT if you know the entire novel, you will find it is a muddled... murder ? I suspect someone to have killed Tidus and you will know later why. But I may be wrong. The origin of the bomb will affect you in some way too.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Gamersflag.com on November 26, 2014, 04:38:10 am
Hello all,

ChercheurObscur, you're not the only french :) I just finished the novel to review it for my website, if any other questions, please don't hesitate guys ! :)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on November 26, 2014, 04:49:05 am
The fact is just that I don't want important informations to spread everywhere until the 4th because it could affect the sales of the novel (and so the sales of Lumen Editions). If you don"t mind this point feel free to give them informations. I just respect a decision  :)

Of course, I would be very happy to work with you and share information together, but after the 4th  :)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Gamersflag.com on November 26, 2014, 05:01:45 am
I didn't tought about precise informations about scenario, but global opinion about the story, my feeling about it, explanations on specific points ;)

I respect Lumen as you do ;)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on November 26, 2014, 05:08:16 am
Arf you just post before my modification !  :D I didn't want to warn you, don't worry !  ;D

Yeah,
I didn't tought about precise informations about scenario, but global opinion about the story, my feeling about it, explanations on specific points ;)

I respect Lumen as you do ;)

You are the good guy.  :P
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Gamersflag.com on November 26, 2014, 05:28:43 am
Ah ah ok ! :)

To work together, check your PM's :)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on November 26, 2014, 07:27:08 am
To CrystalOfLies :

With reference to your question about the conversations between Ifarnal and Yuna, and Kushu and Tidus, I will provide you a translation. Know that Tidus did not meet Kushu just after his death. It is only valid for Ifarnal and Yuna.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Gamersflag.com on November 26, 2014, 08:00:51 am
To kk :

I must say that I don't know where FFX-2 Last Mission can be placed in the timeline. Between X-2.5 and FFX - Will - seems to be the best place, but not perfect for scenaristic integration, for me. Don't know if there is the "official" timeline ...

I think I'll do Last Mission one more time, to have the scenario in mind ;)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: kk on November 26, 2014, 11:03:57 am
@ Gamersflag.com:

Last Mission takes place 3 months afters X-2! So, it would indeed be happening sometime between X-2.5 and Will. ^^

But the English remastered version is a bit different from the original Japanese. It's the Japanese version of Last Mission I refer to, personally, because the English one is actually not fully translated. They only translated parts of it for the Remaster. :((

Anyway, it sounds to me that X-2.5 and Will do not really support the feeling that is given to us in Last Mission?? For example, in Last Mission, which takes place 3 months after X-2, Yuna makes it clear she is very very happy with Tidus. However, the novel and the audio drama tell a different story. (But, the audio drama is sort of understandable because it does take place 9 months AFTER Last Mission so a lot could have changed!) But I guess I have to wait and see what the novel is really like in order to be sure! We shall see, hehe...
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Gamersflag.com on November 26, 2014, 02:44:09 pm
@kk
So, this is the correct place for Last Mission but ... developers just didn't anticipate the novel and Will. Just that, I think ... :)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: kk on November 26, 2014, 03:23:09 pm
But see, that's just it. What kind of writer comes in, 10 years later after the fact, and adds in things that disrupt canon? It's extremely lazy writing and I feel, a huge disservice to the fans??? For those of us who are huge fans, we have been operating on assumptions that come from the canon endings of X-2. And then this novel and audio drama completely disregard those endings, throw them away, and even ignore certain canon facts???

Like, for example, the audio drama says the last shoopuf was at the Moonflow and it went extinct. But.... in Final Fantasy X-2, we see several shoopufs. Clearly, there was more than one shoopuf, and the writers of the audio drama just... ignore that fact. So, what they said in the audio drama is blatantly untrue. It's just little things like that that bother me. Because it feels like they were too lazy to give us an ending that actually made sense with canon. There are fanfiction writers who pay more attention to maintaining canon then the writers of the novel and audio drama did... and that's sad. This is a hobby for us, not our job. We shouldn't know more about the game than you! So, it makes me sad because it makes me feel like they just didn't care enough... in that case, why did they make it then?

Oh, right, because it was a desperate money ploy. A way of testing the waters for a X-3... which they then decided not to make because reviews for the novel and audio drama were so poor. Sooooo, now, we, the fans, are stuck with the last canon thing we know about FFX being that Sin has returned. And that's a ridiculous way to end a beloved series. And it's all because their attempts to squeeze money out of us for X-3 backfired because they chose not to take the time to write an actual good story, therefore no-one wants to buy a follow up game for a crappy story. >.< The whole situation just makes me mad :c It feels like we fans got royally shafted because of their storytelling incompetence... we're left with this incomplete (and frankly, not very good) plotline as the final chapter of our favorite character's story. And that's... so unfair.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: Gamersflag.com on November 28, 2014, 08:05:26 am
I'm not so pessimistic, because the only part of the canon which is ignored is Last Mission. Details about Shoopufs can be explained. They were a little number in X and X-2 if I correctly remember. If they were 3 or 4, possible that 2 or 3 died in the lapse of time between X-2 and the drama ;)

That's my point of view, but I agree with the fact that FFX-3 must have suffer of the bad feedback of the novel (even if that novel is good, for me).

(Sorry if I did some grammatical mistakes ^^)
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on November 28, 2014, 11:39:37 am
That's my point of view, but I agree with the fact that FFX-3 must have suffer of the bad feedback of the novel (even if that novel is good, for me).

That is right, you need to know the entire novel. We will tell you some crucial information and that will open your mind a bit... I think.
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on November 30, 2014, 03:04:18 pm
Apparently after Tidus' death, Ifernal's spirit meets Yuna and Kushu's spirit meets Tidus. Some full details on what transpired between the two pairs would be appreciated, especially the part where Yuna's past memories and emotions are seemingly locked away.

So, I translated the conversation between Ifarnal and Yuna just after Tidus' death, and the two conversations between Kushu and Tidus. The fact is Yuna talks a lot with Ifarnal after Tidus' death, so I will just tell you the most important informations in these conversations.

Just so you know, Yuna get her memories back very quickly (Tidus' death I mean).

AND ! I just discovered something... The last chapter of FFX-2.5 is the perfect ending of FFX-2 ! What a surprise :D I wonder if Nojima had already everything in mind...

EDIT : Oops ! It seems that someone has already said it.  ;D
Title: Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
Post by: ChercheurObscur on December 03, 2014, 03:42:50 am
Hey ! Sorry for the triple post (you must notice it)

This topic has drifted a bit and is very very long. So I decided to create a new topic where you will find a lot of true information. It will be easier to find the information too.

Here : http://ffx3chat.createaforum.com/general-discussion/final-fantasy-x-2-5-the-truth/

YOU CAN ASK US NOW !!!