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Title: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on December 30, 2013, 01:40:52 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXf2RqR3lM4

General summary of events
Chuami (a hot-headed outspoken 17-year-old female of the newly formed Spirian Council, claiming to be Sir Auron's daughter) and Kurgum (a respectful yet meek similarly aged male sender, a specialist with the responsibility to send dead people to the Farplane (he wanted to be a summoner, but it's not possible since the fayth disappeared) who is Chuami's closest friend, and also a member of the Spiran Council) are being sent to Besaid by Baralai to search for Yuna. They meet Tidus at the Bevelle Stadium that is under construction. Tidus is a blitzball star but Chuami notices he's injured and has little energy, although he is trying to hide it. Reaching Besaid, Chuami and Kurgum meet Lulu and Wakka, who take them to Yuna. Yuna has returned to the mannerisms and dress style of her summoner days, and now refers to her sphere hunter days as a "bad dream". Kurgum shows Yuna a movie sphere with a recording of two shoopufs at the Moonflow. The shoopuf was the last of its kind after the female was killed by Sin thirty years ago, but it mysteriously reappeared one morning, causing Yuna to believe the shoopuf had been "called".

Kurgum tells Yuna she must accompany him and Chuami back to Bevelle and address the Spiran Council. When Yuna refuses, Chuami tells her about the injured Tidus compelling Yuna to take action. When Lulu hears Chuami mention being Auron's daughter, Lulu confronts her, saying that she doesn't look like him and that many people claim to be children of Auron, Jecht, and Braska. Chuami says she takes after her mother who wouldn't lie to her, but Lulu says Auron would have mentioned having children since he wasn't the type of person to hide such a thing.

As Chuami, Kurgum, Yuna and Wakka pass over the Moonflow on an airship, they see the shoopufs and a crowd of onlookers, where half of the people are illusions created by the pyreflies. They see a father and daughter with the illusion of the girl's mother who answers her request for them to go home together, which stuns the group, since the illusions normally can't hear or speak. Kurgum insists the illusions should be sent to the Farplane, but Yuna says they don't have the right to interfere with the reunion. Returning to Bevelle, they find Sin has been reactivated, possibly called by someone's wish, and Yuna rushes to meet with Tidus. Yuna had previously told Chuami that Tidus is her boyfriend, but when Chuami and Kurgum eavesdrop on the conversation between the two, it seems they are breaking up. Yuna is jealous of Tidus's friend, Marfi, but soon tells him she doesn't care anymore, and has already got another person she likes. Tidus asks who it is, but Yuna tells him it's someone he doesn't know and leaves.

Chuami and Kurgum part ways with the latter accompanying Yuna and Wakka, and the former returning to Besaid with Tidus. When Tidus asks Lulu about Yuna's new love interest, Lulu says she thought Tidus would know Yuna better and tells him to figure it out himself. She says that if something else can be brought back, then Sin's revival shouldn't be surprising. After Tidus figures out the meaning behind Lulu's words, they depart. On a ship with Lulu and Chuami, Tidus says he wants to follow Yuna and the others on her new journey, since he promised to be with her forever. Elsewhere, Yuna delivers a speech to a crowd in a stadium, proclaiming she will defeat Sin once more.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama - FFX/FFX-2 HD Remake
Post by: bob on December 30, 2013, 12:26:25 pm
assuming this is the immediate precursor to ffx-3... that means the 2.5 novella happened after the year that was truly great, or within the year that was truly great?

or maybe it happened right BEFORE the year that was truly great?

what the **** is the year that was truly great
where's it's place in the timeline?!
gaaah
Title: Re: The Audio Drama - FFX/FFX-2 HD Remake
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on December 30, 2013, 01:51:49 pm
The timeline of events is rather loose at this point, however:

FFX
FFX-2
FFX-2.5 Novella (2 days or so after good ending of FFX-2)
FFX/FFX-2 HD Audio Drama (supposed immediate precursor to speculated FFX-3, about a year after the novella)

More details will come with time. We will update the best I can on the matter. Until then, feel free to speculate and post articles yourself for general thought.

Update: It is confirmed that the events in the audio book take place one year after the events of FFX-2


UNOFFICIAL FAN TRANSLATION OF AUDIOBOOK
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Tidus: It has been two years since the Eternal Calm began.
I have obtained a new life.
I stayed with Yuna for a year.
It was truly...great.
Chiami: Kurugum and I were walking around the Bevelle stadium (once called the Mika stadium). The stadium was supposed to be completed and open to the public soon so the tournaments can begin, but all I can see is the framework. If it's not finished, I don't know how the council of Spira intends to take responsibility for this....
Well, anyway. It has nothing to do with me.
My problem is this crowd of people, and the shining star standing at the centre...
Kurugum: Chiami, we have to hurry!
Chiami: We're late because I was waiting for you. Hey, isn't that Tidus?
Kurugum: Hm? Oh, it's really him!
Chiami: Let's go see him up close.
Kurugum: Um...right.
Chiami: What? Don't tell me you're nervous...
Kurugum: Heheh...Um...
Chiami: What makes Kurugum so nervous about Tidus isn't his status as a Blitzball superstar. It's because he's one of the legendary guardians, the man who saved Spira along with High Summoner Yuna. In truth, I'm a little nervous too...
He must have known...my father.
Chiami: Tidus, sir. Give it your best!
Tidus: Hiya!
Chiami: "Hiya"? He sounded carefree, but when I shook his hand, it was like he had no strength at all.
Tidus: Well, I have to get going! See ya all at the stadium!
Kurugum: He's really a star...
Chiami: Well, I'll give him that. However...
Kurugum: What?
Chiami: He's hurt. He might be not be well. Anyway, Kurugum. Who do you think will win the championship?
Kurugum: Probably the Besaid Aurochs.
Chiami: What's your second choice?
Kurugum: The Al Bhed Psyches, maybe.
Chiami: Alright, let's go place some bets. We might just make a profit, you know.
Kurugum: I...don't really know about that...
Chiami: Let me introduce us properly. This is my childhood friend, Kurugum. Normally, he would be a summoner, but at these times, he is an official sender of the Spiran council. He specialises in sending people to the Farplane.
My name is Chiami, and I act as his assistant. Though, in truth, I call the shots in this relationship.
Don't get the wrong idea! We're not lovers or anything. Nor will we ever be. I don't know about the future, but this much I'm sure of.
Kurugum: Hey. Let's go.
Chiami: Right, right.
Chiami: We headed to Besaid Island as representatives of the head of the Spiran Council, Baralai. We're running errands.
(On the ship)
Kurugum: Is that Besaid Island?
Chiami: Silly, that's obviously Kilika-
Shipguy: We're approaching Besaid Island! Gather your belongings!
Chiami: Is that a sneer, I hear?
Kurugum: Me? Neve-owowow, that hurts! Cut it out!
Chiami: Our aim is to meet High Summoner Yuna. Right now, she holds the position of the counsellor of Yevoner. That anachronistic doctrine that blindly follows tradition, a band of guardians over all our morals and rules. The trouble the radical Yevoners have caused has died down, but the fact that this group still somehow exists in Spira leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I hate Yevoners. On the other hand, saying that I have no interest in meeting the heroine who defeated Sin and released Spira from a thousand years of hell would be a lie. She must have known my father as well...
(in the village)
Lulu: And? What exactly does the council want?
Kurugum: M-My apologies, mayor Lulu. However, my instructions say that I must speak personally to Lady Yuna-
Wakka: Is that it? Welp, you're expecting us to say there's no helping it and take you to her? Nope.
Lulu: We are here so Yuna need not be disturbed. Well? What is your issue?
Kurugum: But-
Wakka: I guess I can understand your position. Okay, here's what we'll do: I'll take you to where Yuna is and listen to your story on the way.
I almost wanted to say something, but I kept my mouth shut. This huge-boobed mayor and her manservant were legendary guardians as well. Eventually, I might have to inquire them about my father. Picking a fight with them right now is not advised.
(In the temple)
Wakka: This used to be called the Cloister of Trials. Without the Fayth this is just a corridor, but in the past, summoners used to pass through here to get to the Chamber of the Fayth. That's where Yuna is.
Chiami: What is Lady Yuna doing there now? The Fayth are no longer here.
Wakka: She's praying. Even without the Fayth, that is her current job.
Kurugum: What is Lady Yuna praying for?
Wakka: Spira's peace-
Chiami: Crappy lie~
Wakka: Did you say something?
Chiami: Not at all! Say, Wakka, sir...I don't know much about Yevoners. What is your goal? It can't be something like restoring the temples, right?
Wakka: What? No. But it's important, so keep it in mind. Yevoners are not trying to rule the world via the temples as the old Yevon used to. They just teach us to abide by the teachings in our daily lives.
Chiami: I don't see how that is any different from before...
Wakka: The temples used to feed us with outrageous lies, like how Sin was born from our transgressions and that we had to abstain from machina to atone. But besides those, there were pretty respectable things among the teachings. Cherish the blessings of nature, pray, love thy neighbou-
Chiami: So, weren't all those common sense? It's not like you have to be a Yevoner or pray in order to do that.
Wakka: That's what I'm sayin', ya? People lead different livestyles. They're free. How old are you?
Chiami: 17.
Wakka: Then you'll get it soon enough. Adults don't get to change their lives so easily. There are people who cannot catch up with the times changing. Those gather under us Yevoners.
Kurugum: Is it different from New Yevon?
Wakka: New Yevon was just using Yevon's name to gather faithful followers. They were looking ahead, to the future.
Chiami: So apparently Yevoners look to the past, eh?
Wakka: That's not what I meant! Anyway, New Yevon is no more. It's now become the council. Nothing we can do about it, ya?
Chiami: By the sound of things, Yevoner is apparently a place for the weak to gather.
Kurugum: Chiami!
Wakka: Don't be so smug about it. We're all aware of it, ya?
Chiami: If you're aware of it, then you shouldn't be holing yourselves in this place. You should make an effort to improve the lives out there. Does thinking that just your prayers preserve Spira's peace make you happy with yourselves?
Wakka: Chiami, ya? Try to be a little more open-minded. And nicer. Those that think like you hurt those people.
Chiami: The way he said "those people" made me curious. It's as if he was talking about someone else.
Wakka: Wait here, ya? I'll go get Yuna. But only talk to her about what you were sent for. No picking on her like you did to me, or you'll be shown the door.
Chiami: "Picking"...maybe I did. It made me angry. Praying for Spira's peace? At such a time...
My mother died on a Yevoner hunt.
The hunter's spear pierced through her chest, and she bled to death.
She wasn't even a Yevoner! She just sympathized with their plight!
If only these Yevoners didn't exist...!
Kurugum: Chiami! I know how you feel, but right now, we have a job to do.
Chiami: I know.
Kurugum: Please—oh, the Lady Yuna.
Yuna: Good day. Allow me to welcome you to Besaid, village of the Yevoners. I am Yuna, the High Priest.
Kurugum: An honour to meet you. I am Kurugum, an official sender. I had always wanted to meet you in person—oh, the head of the council, Lord Baralai, has sent something for you—
Yuna: I see. Then please, leave it here and go.
Chiami: Wait a minute...didn't you hear what he just said? He's always wanted to meet you! What do you-
Kurugum: Er, no, no, it's fine! Lady Yuna must be busy.
Chiami: Kurugum. You keep quiet.
Kurugum: But Lady Yuna said she's busy—
Chiami: To do what? Eat? Sleep? She doesn't even have time to talk to people who came all the way from Bevelle?
Yuna: I'm sorry, but I can't interrupt my prayers...
Chiami: I think Spira will be peaceful enough if it goes five minutes without prayer. Even when fights break out here and there, it's the council that mediates between them.
Yuna: Hmmm. You're right.
Chiami: EEEEEEEH?
Wakka: Hey! I told you to cut that out, ya? Just give us what you were supposed to.
Kurugum: Yes sir! Here it is!
Chiami: Kurugum handed Yuna a recording sphere entrusted to him by Lord Baralai. It contained a recording of the Moonflow. A huge, yet tame animal called a shoopuff was standing with another of its kind, binding their trunks together peacefully.
Wakka: Two shoopuffs?
Kurugum: The second one just appeared there one morning.
Wakka: Where did it even come from?! Wasn't the Moonflow shoopuff supposed to be the last of its kind?
Kurugum: There were two up until three years ago, but it appears the male one was attacked and killed by Sin. There is evidence that this is the same shoopuff.
Yuna: It must have been...called.
Wakka: No other explanation, I s'ppose...
Yuna: However, this wasn't Yevoner. I have forbidden summons outside the Farplane.
Kurugum: I don't know the details, but Lord Baralai tasked us with showing this to you and then escorting you back to Bevelle.
Yuna: Kurugum. You are a sender, correct? You can do this too. This shoopuff is an illusion created by pyreflies. If you send it, it will settle the matter.
Kurugum: That isn't the only issue.
Chiami: Pyreflies float together again. They were always active in the Moonflow, but something like this can't be normal. We have to investigate the source of this phenomenon and find out who called this shoopuff. I thought this was the Yevoners' handiwork. So did the council. That's why Lady Yuna has to come and explain things. Her opinion carries the heaviest weight, after all.
Wakka: Baralai...that damn...! Does he intend to have Yuna handle the whole council?
Yuna: Wakka...
Wakka: He promised he'd keep Yuna out of politics! That's why this...
Chiami: "This"?
Yuna: I'm sorry. I can't go. But then you'd get in trouble...ok, here's what we'll do: I'll write a letter sphere for you to take back to Baralai.
Chiami: We met Tidus in Bevelle. He's your lover, correct?
Yuna: Yes. Was he well?
Chiami: He was trying to hide it, but he looked hurt.
Yuna: Really? Wakka, did you know?
Wakka: Errr...no.
Chiami: You must be worried now...
Kurugum: Chiami...
Yuna: So that's how it is...
Wakka: Yuna. Let's go talk with Lu.
Yuna: Yes.
Chiami: When we exited the temple, they left us alone for a bit. I don't know what those people are talking about, but I'm sure of one thing. What sparked Yuna into action wasn't our plight, but the possibility that her boyfriend was hurt.
Chiami: Kurugum. I'm kinda...pissed off.
Kurugum: But we did our job. Although, I would have liked to talk to Lady Yuna a bit more. I have always wanted to ask her what a summoner's life is like now that there are no Fayth. Chiami, you should ask about Sir Aur-
Chiami: Hush! If they knew I was his daughter, they would treat me differently. This info is my ultimate weapo-
Lulu: Sir Auron's daughter?
Chiami: Mayor?!
Lulu: Is that true?
Chiami: It is. Why are you laughing!
Lulu: Have you ever lived together with him?
Chiami: No, but I heard from my mother—
Lulu: Have you met him?
Chiami: I was too young, so I don't remember.
Lulu: Hmmm....
Chiami: That proves nothing!
Lulu: But you don't look like him at all...
Chiami: I take after my mother.
Lulu: That other child looked more like him.
Chiami: Huh?
Lulu: Auron, Braska, Jecht...many imposters like to identify themselves as their children and ask for their belongings.
Chiami: You...you think I'm one of them? Are you calling my mother a liar?!
Lulu: I wouldn't go that far. But if Sir Auron had a child, there is no way you would not remember him. Nor would he hide it from us. That's the kind of person he was.
Chiami: Just because your rack is huge, you think you can act superior...Just because you knew Auron, you think you can say whatever you want?! That does it: this mayor is the enemy. Whatever. We'll eventually get to the bottom of this.
Anyway, we (myself, Kurugum, Yuna and her escort, Wakka) passed by the Moonflow before heading to Bevelle. The airship was broken, so the journey was harder than I imagined. A big crowd had gathered to observe the two Shoopuffs at the river.
Wakka: There's really two of them! Shoopuffs! And this is quite a crowd of onlookers!
Yuna: Wakka...it's a bit different. Half of these people are illusions. They are visions that pyreflies conjure by reacting with the thoughts of the living. It's just like the Farplane.
Kurugum: Yes.
Chiami: Kurugum? You can tell?
Kurugum: I can. For instance, that family there. The father and the daughter are alive, but that poor mother...
Chiami: I've never actually been to the Farplane, but they look pretty alive to me.
Yuna: They're a little different...almost like the real thing...
Father: Meilu, let's go. It'll be dark soon.
Meilu: Ok. Mum will be coming hom with us, right?
Father: That...isn't possible.
Meilu: Why! We just came to see her!
Father: Then let's come back here again. We can see her.
Meilu: NO! I want to go home with her!
Chimai: Uuugh, what a no good father. What did he expect? Having the girl say goodbye to her mother for a second time since she died is just cruel.
Meilu: Mummy! Let's go home! Together!
Mother: Yes, meilu...let's go home...
Meilu: Really?
Father: No way...
Kurugum: Lady Yuna...did you see this?
Yuna: I can't believe this...
Chiami: Kurugum! Explain.
Kurugum: Illusions that are called by pyreflies cannot speak. To be more precise, they cannot hear voices.
Chiami: Then, they're not illusions? They could be real?
Yuna: We must report to the council as soon as possible.
Chiami: Yes, let's go. Hey, Kurugum! What are you doing! Don't surprise me like this!
Kurugum: If we don't send them...this will only distort the order of things.
Yuna: Kurugum. Let's just stop now. We'll just make them all sad.
Kurugum: But this is strange! It's abnormal, unnatural! If the council knew...that's why they contacted you, Lady Yuna! So you could do something!
Yuna: Even so, we cannot do this now. No one has the right to interfere with this reunion. Not us, and not the council.
Chiami: Just look at how happy they are. If you send them all, we'll just end up getting hit in the face. You'll even get me involved! Gimme a break...
Wakka: Before we proceed with any sendings, why don't we calm down first? Let's come back later.
Kurugum: But—
Yuna: Kurugum. Please.
Chiami: And so we returned to Bevelle.
Kurugum: Chiami, that's loud...
Chiami: Hmph! Just how long are we gonna wait?
Kuru: More importantly...
Chiami: "More importantly?" There's something more important than my question? Iiiiis there?
Kuru: When I stopped the sending, Lady Yuna looked relieved.
Chiami: I guess.
Kuru: I thought Lady Yuna was a just person.
Chiami: You admired her too much. Set your expectations too high.
Kuru: Perhaps...
Chiami: Thinking back, I should have been able to guess this would happen. What we saw at the Moonflow was not just an omen. It was the beacon for its resurrection. Before my eyes was...Sin.
Kuru: Sin...no way...Chiami! That has to be just some huge monster!
Yuna: No...that is Sin...Sin, who is not supposed to exist anymore!
Kuru: You mean...someone wished and called him back?!
Yuna: Yes...someone who strongly sought Sin.
Chiami: What are we gonna do!
Yuna: The only thing that can defeat Sin is the Final Summoning.
Kuru: But without the Fayth...!
Wakka: Yuna! Let's go back to Besaid. They'll just pile this on you. No one cares about the Fayth. Once they see Sin, it's all about the summoner handling it. Kuru, are you coming?
Kuru: I will trust Lady Yuna's judgement!
Yuna: I...have to meet Tidus.
Chiami: What the hell is wrong with this woman!
(Chiami is pacing in the hallway)
Kuru: Chiami...
Chiami: How long is this wait gonna be?
Kuru: Chiami! This room is...!
Chiami: Hush!
Kuru: Chiami! Eavesdropping is bad!
Chiami: Don't you want to know what the High Summoner and the Blitzball star are saying? Now hush!
Tidus: What do you mean?
Yuna: You have that girl, don't you?
Tidus: I told you, Marfi is just a friend!
Yuna: Is that true?
Tidus: Yuna. If you think about it, you'll see.
Yuna: I can't.
Tidus: This isn't like you.
Yuna: You're right...I'm acting weird. I'm sorry.
Tidus: If you acknowledge it, then it's fine.
Yuna: That's not what I meant. I'm sorry. I can't see you anymore.
Tidus: Eh?
Yuna: I found someone that I like.
Tidus: Uh...Who?
Yuna: It's...someone you don't know.
Tidus: Then let me meet him!
Yuna: I'm sorry.
Chiami: Kuru...this came completely out of left field. This woman is having a lovers' quarrel now of all times? Hey, Kuru! Why are you crying?
Kuru: Chiami...I'm sorry. I love Lady Yuna...so I can't be with you. I'm sorry...
Chiami: What is that about? When did we ever...? I don't get you!
Kuru: If you don't feel like that, then it's fine. Yes, this is better...let's part ways here. We have to become independent.
Chiami: Kuru?
Kuru: You can't understand. Only summoners can.
Chiami: Ah. You finally said it. It's over.
Kuru: I'm sorry.
Chiami: Do what you want!
Chiami: Separated from the summoners, I returned to Besaid. A lot of crazy things happened and I wasn't thinking clearly, but I feel I may be drawn to those who have already defeated Sin once. I can't help but worry that this burden is too heavy for Kuru...
Tidus: And that's what happened.
Lulu: That's why you ran back here? I'll start laughing.
Tidus: Who do you think is this guy that Yuna likes?
Lulu: Use your head.
Tidus: But she said I don't know him!
Lulu: (sighs)
Tidus: What?
Lulu: Search and you'll find him.
Tidus: Buuuut...!
Lulu: You sad, sad man! I thought you understood Yuna a little better.
Tidus: I intended to, but...
Lulu: But.
Chiami: More importantly, Sin. I'm worried about them. What if this is aimless?
Lulu: And if it's not?
Chiami: Eh?
Lulu: Sin has been revived, yes? If something else can also be revived, then the return of Sin is not surprising.
Chiami: I didn't really understand what she meant, so I looked at Tidus. That man's eyebrows were raised, his gaze fixated on the mayor with his eyes widening in surprise.
Lulu: We have to go.
Tidus: ...Yeah.
Chiami (is apparently in a ship somewhere, since it's the Moonflow music): As always, I couldn't understand. But I couldn't ask. All I finally managed to ask was...
Chiami: I wonder where they are?
Tidus: Wherever they go, I'll follow.
Yuna: Even though she abandoned you?
Tidus: I promised I'd always be with her.
Chiami: I wondered why he sounded so fond of her. After seeing his face in pain though, I could do nothing but keep quiet.
(Yuna is in a stadium with people cheering)
Yuna: I will defeat Sin. I must defeat Sin!
Tiny detail: The word used for the dead and Sin coming back isn't "summon" (召喚), but call (呼び寄せる), which, as far as I can tell, is the word used when people remember their dead in the Farplane.

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Full FFX/FFX-2 HD Remake Audio Drama JP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpWZ4bli70Q

ENG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJd3Tfu5ulY
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: stathicus on December 30, 2013, 09:17:23 pm
After reading the word for word translation I didn't think this was so bad. (Ignoring what happens in the novel) I think there is some potential there. But here's my question, what the heck does this mean:

Yuna: The only thing that can defeat Sin is the Final Summoning.

Um actually Yuna, you just beat Sin without the Final Summoning a few years ago. In fact, back then you were totally against using the Final Summoning to beat Sin. So why are you saying things that you know are not true and completely out of character?!
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on December 31, 2013, 11:01:42 am
There are a few inconsistencies with past games, especially with the new information about the creation of fayths.
If you want to view that, hop over to the novella thread.

However, Yuna saying the Final Summoning must be used to defeat Sin could be a measure to keep Yevonite teachings stable, even though she broke them two years prior.  She is saying it publicly, but that does not mean she personally believes it.
Therefore, the public should know that Yuna, being the high summoner who defeated Sin for good and survived, is following hollow traditions, which points to an inconsistency in plot.


Either that, or the Spirian people are extremely stupid. I side with there not being enough details to solidly provide a stable connection of events.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Akuwah on January 01, 2014, 11:20:36 pm
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However, Yuna saying the Final Summoning must be used to defeat Sin could be a measure to keep Yevonite teachings stable, even though she broke them two years prior.  She is saying it publicly, but that does not mean she personally believes it.

There has to be another way to defeat Sin, otherwise wouldn't she and... Kurgum have to the thing  :-X
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 01, 2014, 11:36:01 pm
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However, Yuna saying the Final Summoning must be used to defeat Sin could be a measure to keep Yevonite teachings stable, even though she broke them two years prior.  She is saying it publicly, but that does not mean she personally believes it.

There has to be another way to defeat Sin, otherwise wouldn't she and... Kurgum have to the thing  :-X


Ahh, you've caught on much much quicker than most people.

Yes, it's presumed the B-PLOT in the novella exists to provide a scenario in FFX-3 where Yuna would have to have sex with Kurugum in order to create the final aeon, thus sparing Tidus's life concerning the matter.


There are alternate ways to defeat Sin, as FFX in itself shows.
However, perhaps Yuna truly believes the only way to prevent Sin from returning in these new "calling the dead" circumstances is by creating a final aeon. One can only speculate.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Akuwah on January 01, 2014, 11:46:42 pm
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Ahh, you've caught on much much quicker than most people.

Haha yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot  man where are my priorities Hence she broke up with Tidus, perhaps to protect him physically... and emotionally.

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One can only speculate.

Yeah, and I think only the novella can answer the question regarding the ritual but then again there's the 'to be continued...' cliffhanger, so...
We'll see how it unravels on X-3 (Hopefully SE is already working on it, they can't just leave us in the dark like that surely you jest)



Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 02, 2014, 12:09:01 am
Haha yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot  man where are my priorities Hence she broke up with Tidus, perhaps to protect him physically... and emotionally.

Trust me, I hear you on thinking about it! I made a site over it. Some would say my priorities don't even exist. Shows the passion people have for this game.

Yuna has to juggle defeating Sin, resolving the Farplane problem, and keeping Tidus in the dark about his existence and her possible sex-fayth resolution, along with making sure he's not in danger due to his weakened state.
She definitely has reason to be a bit fried and cold hearted.

Yeah, and I think only the novella can answer the question regarding the ritual but then again there's the 'to be continued...' cliffhanger, so...
We'll see how it unravels on X-3 (Hopefully SE is already working on it, they can't just leave us in the dark like that surely you jest)

The novella only sheds so much light on the situation involved with the audio drama, so the ritual concerning Yuna's intention of using it will be unknown until the game or further separate info from Nojima is released.
However, the specifics of the ritual itself will hopefully come to light once better and more full translations of the novella make their rounds. I wonder just how sex is involved with fayth-making, anyway. Seems very out of place, but I'll hold off degrading it until we get further info for it.

If one thing is for sure, though, SE and Nojima are intending to make this game. There's so much to build off of concerning plot developments for a third game, and fan reaction has been so intense towards it that I think it's a surefire thing.
The great sales of the FFX/FFX-2 HD remake don't hurt, either.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Akuwah on January 02, 2014, 12:19:01 am
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I made a site over it.

And you're awesome for making it ;D Saves the trouble people may have trying to dig more info regarding -Will, 2.5 and 3 :)

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Tidus in the dark about his existence
I got a feeling that he will discover it eventually, -Will- itself is just the tip of an iceberg. Anyways, like you said, one can only speculate  8)

Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 02, 2014, 12:25:13 am

And you're awesome for making it ;D Saves the trouble people may have trying to dig more info regarding -Will, 2.5 and 3 :)

Thank you, I appreciate that heavily. My passion for the series exists to the bounds that I think nobody should be misinformed or misled about new developments, and instead should be encouraged to speculate and be excited, and be educated thoroughly before deciding to walk away from it.

I got a feeling that he will discover it eventually, -Will- itself is just the tip of an iceberg. Anyways, like you said, one can only speculate  8)

If he does, it'll probably would happen at the end of FFX-3. No point in having a game for Tidus to realize he's not supposed to be there in the first five minutes.
They're going to stress the tragic romance of this couple until the very end.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Akuwah on January 02, 2014, 12:58:09 am
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They're going to stress the tragic romance of this couple until the very end.
Looks like I'd have to deal with possible inevitable NTR in this game  :-X

So if the Final summoning actually uses the sex-fayth ritual then:

1)Jecht and Braska must've done it.
2)Isaaru, Maroda and Pacce were planning to defeat Sin by using the Final summoning and they're... siblings (luckily they quit halfway though).
3)Lulu and Lady Ginnem were on a pilgrimage but unfortunately couldn't make it.

Yunalesca never mentioned sex (understably, T-rated game), only Summoners have to sacrifice one of their Guardians to get the Final Aeon, unless the word sacrifice is actually an euphemism for the word sex.   :-\

Issues of homosexuality, incest and pedophilia are involved here. These issues may or may not land SE in hot water, remember how people were  making a big deal out of X-2 because of their skimpy outfits surely you jest as if X-2 is the only game to feature characters wearing skimpy outfits? Can't imagine X-3.

Well, that adds another question to the plot direction of X-3
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 02, 2014, 01:20:36 am
Ahh, you see, those were the source of much controversy the past day or two. I'll clear it up for you.


This sex-fayth method has only been referenced in use once, and that's with the story of the two summoners and the summoner's beloved guardian. We only know that this one case utilized the sex-fayth method. It's not right to assume all other fayths created followed the same method, even though it's possible that they could've been made that way.

The main vague canon method of making the fayth established in FFX stands, which is that Yu Yevon or someone else capable of performing such removes your soul from your body while it still lives.

Both result with an endless dreaming state for those who sacrificed themselves.


Jecht and Braska had no sex, and neither did Seymour and his mother or anyone else, for that matter. It is assumed they were made fayth with the classical canon method, instead of the sex-fayth method.
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Post by: Akuwah on January 02, 2014, 01:26:18 am
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It's not right to assume all other fayths created followed the same method, even though it's possible that they could've been made that way.

Fair enough, I jumped the gun there with my assumption  :-\

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Jecht and Braska had no sex, and neither did Seymour and his mother or anyone else, for that matter. It is assumed they were made fayth with the classical canon method, instead of the sex-fayth method.


This one I can tolerate, if it's with the other method, ummm, no.

Also thanks for clearing this up :)
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 02, 2014, 01:35:12 am
Oh, that's alright! Most everybody assumed that at first when the details came out.

Since nobody knew exactly how the fayth were maid prior to that announcement, when the sex-fayth method came out everybody thought it was the only way and that it applied to all fayth created.
It's an honest and easy mistake to make, one that is almost bound to occur when there isn't enough information at hand.


You could imagine the uproar when that detail first came out.
People were accusing the novella of not just homosexuality, incest and paedophilia, but necrophilia and bestiality, too. Things quickly got out of hand until more information was provided which attributed the method to an isolated case a millennium past in the game's timeline. Things settled down quickly afterwards.

That's why we're very hesitant to post preliminary stuff, so stuff like that won't happen. Who knows how many people turned away from the potential of a third game because they heard such insane rumours?
Hopefully genuine speculation about the game and the issues arisen by the audio drama will keep the subject buoyed and people interested.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Akuwah on January 02, 2014, 01:47:49 am
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You could imagine the uproar when that detail first came out.
People were accusing the novella of not just homosexuality, incest and paedophilia, but necrophilia and bestiality, too. Things quickly got out of hand until more information was provided which attributed the method to an isolated case a millennium past in the game's timeline. Things settled down quickly afterwards.

True, I was there lurking on neogaf but luckily one of the users mentioned that the method of creating the common fayth and the final fayth (?) aren't the same. Mention of the creation of weaker, common fayths/aeons is by, well, common way surely you jest, and that to create the stronger fayths/aeons, which I assume is the final fayth is by using the sex method. So I guess I got mixed up on that part 'cuz I didn't know that there is another way to create the final fayth without the use of sex.

Luckily I asked though because I'm sure people who just found out about X-2.5 might wonder about the same thing.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 02, 2014, 02:04:24 am
You see, I'm hesitant to put up the classic canon method as being weaker because I'm not sure if that's for real or just inferencing based on the plot developments.

Nobody knows absolutely which methods are used for which, but we can assume the classic canon method was used for the pilgrimage fayth (excluding the final aeon), which are:
Valefor
Ifrit
Ixion
Shiva
and Bahamut.

With that information, you can assume that since the final aeon is stronger than the pilgrimage fayth, the sex-fayth method must be a method that creates more powerful aeons.
However, people took these assumptions to the level that every final aeon was made with the sex-fayth method, which may or may not be true. All we know for sure is that in one case a millennium ago, a summoner had sex with another summoner to spare her beloved guardian the fate of a classical canon method's fayth.


Until we get information that links the sex-fayth method with that which makes the final aeon in more than one case, we'll say the sex-fayth method is an isolated, although perpetually optional, method.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: dez112 on January 02, 2014, 02:37:04 pm
I'm actually surprised that the audio drama did not mention anything about Rikku, Paine, Kimahri Ronso, Gippal, Nooj, LeBlanc etc.

So based on what I've heard on the bonus audio (if this is correct) :

Baralai - Spira Committee Leader?
Chuami & Kurgam - Work under Baralai
Yuna - Priestess to the "Yevoners"
Wakka - Caretaker (I think?)
Lulu - Mayor of Besaid
Tidus - Blitzball Star 

Also out of 10, how do you rate the audio drama?
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 02, 2014, 02:54:24 pm
Baralai is the head of the Spirian Council, yes.

Chuami and Kurugum operate under him, although we know Kurugum is also a sender and Chuami claims to be Auron's daughter.

Yuna is held in high regard as former High Summoner and now High Priestess of the Yevonites. No matter how you paint it, she's an extremely large influential figure in Spira.

Wakka and Lulu are married, and are taking care of their child. Lulu is the mayor of the town of Besaid, and Wakka helps her run the town and facilitate audiences with Yuna. They are known throughout Spira as two of the legendary guardians who accompanied Yuna, garnering them great respect as well.

Tidus is known as a Blitzball superstar, highly popular amongst the Spirian populace. He is held to the same respect as a legendary guardian as Lulu and Wakka are. He also is known to be the lover of Yuna, which summarily garners him significant attention in all three facets.


The audio drama is pretty good. I enjoyed it a lot, and the new characters are interesting. The behaviours of the other characters haven't changed and are faithful to their personalities, while still providing new developments concerning the issues presented.
The main issue was engaging and reasonable, too, and provides much information to chew and speculate on.

All in all, I'd give it an 8.5/10. It was very well presented, and deserving of thirty minutes.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: stathicus on January 02, 2014, 06:11:17 pm
Do you guys think Square is even going to mention sex in X-3? I highly doubt it. It took them years to get two of their main characters just to kiss. Square has always purposely stayed away from anything of that nature. These novels with explicit material apparently come out all the time in Japan but most of the content is ignored in the actual games. I don't see the sex-fayth method being mentioned in X-3 at all, never mind them making a plot point about Yuna sleeping with Kurugum. I guess you can argue this can happen off screen but that means they would have to explain it at some point and I don't think they'll even do that outside the novel.

Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 02, 2014, 07:40:44 pm
Do you guys think Square is even going to mention sex in X-3? I highly doubt it. It took them years to get two of their main characters just to kiss. Square has always purposely stayed away from anything of that nature. These novels with explicit material apparently come out all the time in Japan but most of the content is ignored in the actual games. I don't see the sex-fayth method being mentioned in X-3 at all, never mind them making a plot point about Yuna sleeping with Kurugum. I guess you can argue this can happen off screen but that means they would have to explain it at some point and I don't think they'll even do that outside the novel.

Well, to be fair, it is mostly conjecture and shoddy translation work at this point.

I wouldn't doubt it, though.
It's implied Cloud and Tifa had sex in FFVII, and seeing how FFX is a darker story than most in the franchise, saddling it's story with more mature concepts isn't too out of place.

The sex-fayth theory leads to possible developments in the third game if it's made, though, which I believe is the main purpose, whether or not they actually go through with using it.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: dez112 on January 03, 2014, 09:39:48 am
There certainly does seem to be a lot of speculation that we can discuss about based on the audio (although I can't exactly judge on the novel.)

So if the Farplane is unstable, then could we expect the likes of Auron, Braska, Jecht and perhaps Seymour etc, to be back?

Still pretty curious about who is responsible for wishing Sin's return.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 03, 2014, 02:59:06 pm
There's boundless speculation to be had! People must be so shocked at the developments in the novella that they don't think it's worth speculating.
Ah, well. Hopefully they'll come around with time.

I believe Auron coming back is for sure.

Since my theory of "calling back" the dead includes having to have a strong connection and bond with the deceased who you want to beckon back, Chuami calling Auron back would prove that she is her daughter.
I believe those two will go hand in hand as plot points, and resolution towards the matter.

Braska, I hope comes back. I'd like to see his character in further depth.

Jecht is one I haven't considered an awful lot about, but it's plausible he could come back, too. Especially if Tidus wishes it.



As for Sin,
we theorize someone called back Seymour or Yu Yevon, and they called back Sin.

Nothing more than that, unfortunately.
We don't know the exact ramifications of the process of calling someone back due to no full translation on the novella.
Time will tell.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: dez112 on January 03, 2014, 03:33:29 pm
Hmm.....you do have a point about Auron and Chuami.

What would happen if Lulu and Wakka call Chappu?
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 03, 2014, 04:29:28 pm
Hmm.....you do have a point about Auron and Chuami.

What would happen if Lulu and Wakka call Chappu?

Now THAT is some thinking!

I believe it would be strange for Chappu to be called back and realize his intended wife is now married to his brother, but it could cause Lulu and Wakka to split. However, I doubt it; Chappu sounds like an understanding person, and he would most likely exist as a loving friend and presence again.


Yunalesca, what do you think about her?
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: dez112 on January 03, 2014, 04:51:12 pm
@Doctor Internal Medicine - Hmm.....that is another interesting point. You know, if the Farplane is unstable, wouldn't anyone be capable of wishing for anyone they want even Sin?

Like Yuna could wish for Braska and his mother, Tidus could wish for perhaps Jecht and his mother and so on.

I guess the plot does thicken.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 03, 2014, 06:21:04 pm
@Doctor Internal Medicine - Hmm.....that is another interesting point. You know, if the Farplane is unstable, wouldn't anyone be capable of wishing for anyone they want even Sin?

Like Yuna could wish for Braska and his mother, Tidus could wish for perhaps Jecht and his mother and so on.

I guess the plot does thicken.

Most certainly so!

I believe to call someone back, however, you must have a strong bond with them, a la the bond you must have to create the final aeon.

That's why only close family members and lovers have been shown to come back,
and
well
Sin is a different case.

That's why I think Yu Yevon must've been called back, perhaps by Yunalesca,
who was called back by Lord Zaon,
who was called back by
somebody
I don't know.

Speculation, speculation, I'm sure there are ties that can be made.
Some fanatic must've wished another fanatic back and that eventually leads to Sin.

Or the entity who originally took advantage of the Farplane's unstable state might have been the Sin-caller.
Who knows?
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: moonstone on January 03, 2014, 09:43:04 pm
With the Farplane being unbalanced I definitely see this as a way in which they can bring back several characters back, maybe even give them more background story than what we already know of them, any maybe be playable... I think a lot of people would like to play as Braska (although he wouldn't be able to summon, I think), Jecht, and Auron (once again).

By the way I was watching the Audio Drama (http://youtu.be/JJd3Tfu5ulY?t=1m6s) and I like how they used images, that show us some of characters, locations, weapons, and monsters/enemies. Although, some of them I really couldn't tell who they were (maybe they're sketches before they were finalize or I'm just not remembering them, it's been more than 10 years since I last play/saw the games! surely you jest). But I was wondering if anyone knew who these characters are...or are they nobody important?

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Akuwah on January 03, 2014, 09:54:36 pm
IIRC that was Seymour's mother

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maybe they're sketches before they were finalize

Yup, the first and last pictures are from the earlier sketches.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Knightmare on January 04, 2014, 03:01:10 am
Another possibility concerning the return of Sin is Tidus could have wished for his father and he came back  As Sin.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: moonstone on January 04, 2014, 03:11:18 am
Did they show Seymour's mother in the game? (sorry I really don't remember if they did)

Are the sketches the protoypes of any the characters? I really can't tell for the first picture....I would have thought blondy is a prototype of Tidus...but since this is a trio is it Gippal, Baralai, and Nooj's prototype sketches?

After seeing some sketches of the FF13 characters during its early development stages, I have wonder how the earlier sketches for the other FF games looked, so I'm glad they included some in the audio drama :)

Another possibility concerning the return of Sin is Tidus could have wished for his father and he came back  As Sin.

I don't think wishing for his dad would necessarily bring back sin...I think it would just bring back his dad...since that is who he would wish to come back and not sin or jecht-sin...if they make Jecht become Sin again I think that would be really lame...because it means the final boss might be the same as the original game, if there is a sequel.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Akuwah on January 04, 2014, 03:38:19 am
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Did they show Seymour's mother in the game? (sorry I really don't remember if they did)

Yup. If you revisit Baaj temple after obtaining Fahrenheit (airship), not only you get Anima, you will also see cutscenes about Seymour and his mother.

As for the trio of the early sketch, I think one of them is Tidus, the other maybe Yuna and Kimahri

I've never came across early sketches of Baralai, Nooj and Gippal though
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: dez112 on January 04, 2014, 05:59:25 am
@Doctor Internal Medicine - Hmm.....that is another interesting point. You know, if the Farplane is unstable, wouldn't anyone be capable of wishing for anyone they want even Sin?

Like Yuna could wish for Braska and his mother, Tidus could wish for perhaps Jecht and his mother and so on.

I guess the plot does thicken.

Most certainly so!

I believe to call someone back, however, you must have a strong bond with them, a la the bond you must have to create the final aeon.

That's why only close family members and lovers have been shown to come back,
and
well
Sin is a different case.

That's why I think Yu Yevon must've been called back, perhaps by Yunalesca,
who was called back by Lord Zaon,
who was called back by
somebody
I don't know.

Speculation, speculation, I'm sure there are ties that can be made.
Some fanatic must've wished another fanatic back and that eventually leads to Sin.

Or the entity who originally took advantage of the Farplane's unstable state might have been the Sin-caller.
Who knows?

There are certainly a lot of possibilities there.

I do agree that with Farplane being unstable, the main question and focus is based upon Sin's return.

Other than that so based from the audio, did Kurgam decided to join Yuna after leaving Chuami?
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: dez112 on January 04, 2014, 10:52:28 am

The audio drama is pretty good. I enjoyed it a lot, and the new characters are interesting. The behaviours of the other characters haven't changed and are faithful to their personalities, while still providing new developments concerning the issues presented.
The main issue was engaging and reasonable, too, and provides much information to chew and speculate on.

All in all, I'd give it an 8.5/10. It was very well presented, and deserving of thirty minutes.

That's how I would've rated the audio drama as well.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 04, 2014, 10:07:53 pm
I believe he intends to take the opportunity of this apparent "break-up" to become of closer relationship with Yuna, yes. However, to join is up to her. I doubt she would deny his willingness to join, unless her nature didn't allow it.

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Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 10, 2014, 05:59:37 pm
I wonder what everyone's thoughts are on the artwork of future tidus and yuna seen at the end of the audio drama?

I think they look awesome! First thing i noticed with tidus is that he has started to wear a bandana round his head very similar to the way his father wore his shows he could possibly want OR is becoming more like his old man and he still wears his zanarkand abes symbol round his neck :) 

As for yuna it seems shes went back to her formal dress wear from FFX but its hard to tell by the artwork picture itself what her dress is like....i like the idea of giving yuna long hair i always wondered how it would look on her officially 
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Post by: dez112 on January 10, 2014, 06:44:35 pm
I wonder what everyone's thoughts are on the artwork of future tidus and yuna seen at the end of the audio drama?

I think they look awesome! First thing i noticed with tidus is that he has started to wear a bandana round his head very similar to the way his father wore his shows he could possibly want OR is becoming more like his old man and he still wears his zanarkand abes symbol round his neck :) 

As for yuna it seems shes went back to her formal dress wear from FFX but its hard to tell by the artwork picture itself what her dress is like....i like the idea of giving yuna long hair i always wondered how it would look on her officially 

I wonder what everyone's thoughts are on the artwork of future tidus and yuna seen at the end of the audio drama?

I think they look awesome! First thing i noticed with tidus is that he has started to wear a bandana round his head very similar to the way his father wore his shows he could possibly want OR is becoming more like his old man and he still wears his zanarkand abes symbol round his neck :) 

As for yuna it seems shes went back to her formal dress wear from FFX but its hard to tell by the artwork picture itself what her dress is like....i like the idea of giving yuna long hair i always wondered how it would look on her officially 


I really liked Tidus's future artwork. His bandana resembles a bit of his father.

I also liked Yuna's future artwork too.

Does anyone think Wakka and Lulu will have new concepts?
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: catnip on January 10, 2014, 07:30:10 pm
I LOVE their look! I'm a little worried about Tidus' wardrobe surely you jest, but putting him in something hideous would be nothing new. It would be nice to see an upgrade though. I like the bandana wrapped around his head! I hope it's red, like Jecht's. It would be nice to hear them acknowledge his new look too.

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As for yuna it seems shes went back to her formal dress wear from FFX but its hard to tell by the artwork picture itself what her dress is like....i like the idea of giving yuna long hair i always wondered how it would look on her officially 

LOVE the long hair!!! I feel the EXACT same way, I always wondered how it would look on her officially. I think it looks amazing and I'm glad that she's accepting who she is, instead of behaving like Rikku. I wonder if the dress is the same one. I hope it's not and they gave her something different, though similar. I wouldn't be disappointed if this isn't the case though. It looks great.

It does make me wonder about dresspheres though! Like, how would they be affected? I guess they probably wouldn't be, but I wonder if they can be altered.

Honestly though, I really hope Rikku put some clothes on. The design for her thief outfit was so awful imo. I hope her new default is the Festival Goer. They keep promoting that dressphere with Rikku wearing it.
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Post by: city on January 10, 2014, 07:54:28 pm
I think Yuna's will be a bit of a mix between the X and X-2 outfit, maybe a bit more fun, but still conservative.  I think her new hairstyle looks a lot like Lenne's, and I've seen people comparing it to Riona.
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Post by: Grellotine on January 14, 2014, 05:54:22 am
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I really liked Tidus's future artwork. His bandana resembles a bit of his father.

I also liked Yuna's future artwork too.

Does anyone think Wakka and Lulu will have new concepts?

Wakka sounded like his old self but a lot more mature and although Lulu was the most serious in the game she sounds more mature too, I think their concepts should change to match that they've grown and also maybe make them look like parents. What do people think of Lulu with short hair? I would like to see what that is like.
 As for Tidus, he's my favourite character and I hope for once they'll give him a nice outfit. The bandana looks nice so far.  I mean, they revamped his outfit a little bit in Final fantasy Dissidia but the whole thing should be discarded



Also, if Seymour came back and we had to fight him again… I don't think I could cope.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: TresDias on January 16, 2014, 05:33:34 pm
Concerning the Final Summoning as the only way to defeat Sin matter, I don't think that sounds like an inconsistency at all. Yes, they penetrated Sin's armor and reached its core with just their weapons and magic once before -- but that was also while it was subdued and kept relatively docile by Jecht, whose humanity was pushed to the forefront of his mind by the Hymn of the Fayth. And the song only worked because he was particularly fond of it.

It was a unique set of presumably unrepeatable circumstances.

It also does stand to reason that a Final Aeon could legitimately destroy Sin now unless Yu Yevon has been called back as well. If it's just the monster, a Final Aeon could do it.

It didn't work in the past not because the Final Aeons lacked the power to defeat Sin, but because Yu Yevon would possess them and use them as the core of a new Sin once the job was done, burning out the aeon's fayth and killing the summoner in the process.

Of course, if Yu Yevon was called back as well, the Final Summoning would be useless.

As for why it's more powerful than a regular aeon, Yunalesca explained that in the original game. It has nothing to do with the sex-fayth method and everything to do with the bond between the summoner and the summoned. She says that bond could exist between any two people. It's the bond between friends, parent and child, lovers, etc. That's what gives the Final Aeon its power and makes it more powerful than that same aeon would be if summoned by a different summoner.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 16, 2014, 07:19:09 pm
Inconsistency in the way it's presented. Yuna speaks as if the teachings have never been questioned, when she visibly and publicly defeated Sin without the use of the final aeon only three years prior.
The public, which the majority resented the sacrificial process of the summoner's pilgrimage, would not so eagerly endorse such a controversial and ostensibly unnecessary way of defeating Sin.

It wasn't challenged at all, which leads to a proposed inconsistency.
Nojima obviously has reasons for why the characters are doing what they are doing, so it's only seen as an inconsistency for now with the information we currently have.

For the matter of Jecht, he was defeated under special circumstances, that is true. Sin's reincarnation this time could be different from previous as well, leading to speculation upon the necessary way to conquer it.
However, just because Jecht's Sin was subdued under apparent unrepeatable pretenses doesn't mean Yuna would so assuredly proclaim the final aeon will be summoned to the public.

This leads to the concept that there must be an ulterior motive for Yuna or some missing plot information that's yet to be revealed, as otherwise it wouldn't make sense for them to discard the revelation that comes from disregarding Yevon dogma just three years prior.


As for the final aeon being created by strong bonds, this new information gives birth to two theories:

- Either every aeon is created by sacrificing a person with meaningful connections,
or
- The final aeon is simply an appreciated term for creating an extremely powerful aeon.

The sex-fayth method described in the novella could be referring to either theory. The woman summoner could've been trying to create a normal fayth or a special stronger fayth. The sex-fayth method exists to introduce a way in which one can bypass that strong-bond requirement.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: TresDias on January 16, 2014, 09:52:47 pm
Oh, definitely the sex-fayth method has been introduced as a way of getting around that requirement. I would doubt, though, that every fayth was made with the idea in mind that it be someone's final aeon unless a lot more summoners than just Seymour gave up once they had the power to defeat Sin.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 16, 2014, 10:12:56 pm
Rather than every fayth intended to be a final aeon, the method of sacrifice to make the final aeon isn't exclusive to just that.

Or the final aeon is just an appreciated phrase and the sacrifice is just to make extremely strong aeons with bonds to their creators.

One of the two.
Who knows?
We're getting translations on the book that are in progress now, so perhaps this will be settled in a small time.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: TresDias on January 17, 2014, 12:42:45 am
I'm not sure I quite understand what point you were making there. Are you wondering if every aeon was created in a situation where there was one particular summoner who would benefit from its power more than others?

The Ultimania Omega for FFX isn't clear on that point. I do recall that it tells us some of the present aeons existed before Sin and some came after -- i.e., there were a few already in Zanarkand, which Bevelle then divided up among the temples for the purpose of the pilgrimage and then there were others made later when new temples were built. I would guess that the post-Sin fayth would be Yevon devotees who wanted to contribute, but whether they were close to any particular summoner, I would doubt -- otherwise they would have presumably been used as a final aeon at Bevelle's behest, in which case those fayth would no longer exist.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 17, 2014, 02:49:46 pm
You're making the mistake of exclusively attributing the sacrificial method to final aeons, although only within the terms of the theory I proposed. That may not be the case in this theory.

Although, I personally lean more towards the final aeon just being an appreciated term. Strong bond = strong aeon. That goes in all cases.
That would make the female summoner's intention in Boy's Side to create a much stronger aeon than usual.
Usual taken lightly.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: TresDias on January 17, 2014, 03:40:56 pm
I'm still confused. I'm not saying the sacrifice is exclusive to final aeons. I'm saying the opppsite of that. Every fayth we encounter in FFX involved someone sacrificing their life to become a fayth (we see a projection of their original form when we revisit the fayth in the temples). I'm also saying, though, that if those fayth were close to a summoner, it could be assumed -- at least in the cases of the post-Sin fayth -- that they would have ended up being final aeons.

Do we even know yet what the sex-fayth method does in terms of creating a new fayth/aeon? Presumably it doesn't sacrifice anyone, but is this known for sure?
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 17, 2014, 04:56:10 pm
Yes, that's correct. It's assumed that if that was the case, where the sacrificial method was used for all fayth, they are all technically final aeons.
The thing that differs from them is that the final aeon is the one that is possessed by Yu Yevon, therefore killing the summoner.

As of now, they're both plausible.

The sex-fayth method is just a way to bypass the sacrificial method to create fayth. That's all we know. We may get some more crucial details this weekend, however! Clear up this matter for good.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: gyigyo on January 29, 2014, 03:07:59 am
What if Yuna will be the "NEXT yunalesca" and she will be waiting the other summoners in sluty outfit..
and the other question is YUNA is died too in the novel or just tida?
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 30, 2014, 06:27:51 pm
Tidus died, but was resurrected.

Check up on the novella page to inform yourself of all the information we've gathered so far.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: catnip on February 13, 2014, 06:07:09 pm
just gonna add this here, in case anyone's interested

Quote
ashimoto also shot down the idea of a Final Fantasy X-3, saying “Since we’re revisiting Final Fantasy X and X-2, which were released about 10 years ago, the series’ scenario writer Kazushige Nojima and character designer Tetsuya Nomura had a discussion and thought that the HD Remaster release would be a good opportunity for them to include this additional story episode [and expand upon the univese a little further]. But the audio episode’s inclusion wasn’t because we have any plans to develop a Final Fantasy X-3.

Source: http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/02/square-enix-still-has-no-plans-for-final-fantasy-xii-hd-says-fans-need-to-demand-it/
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 15, 2014, 02:37:36 pm
Hey, fellas! The English dubbed version of the audio drama is up on Youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXf2RqR3lM4

I must say, they really nailed Chuami's immaturity with her voice. Props to the voice cast.

And man, this is probably the best version of Tidus that James Arnold Taylor has done yet. It sounds both mature and still has a sorta late-teenager vibe. It's perfect.

As for the others: Lulu sounds older, Yuna surprisingly sounds the same, and Wakka... eghhh... it seems like John DiMaggio either forgot how to do his voice or isn't capable of doing it due to age. It's rather sad. :(
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: catnip on March 15, 2014, 05:17:03 pm
lmao Wakka's accent is atrocious. Lulu sounds like a smoker.

I am so happy to hear Yuna's voice. The way she's written is perfect too; she's finally the character she was meant to be. You can tell she's comfortable in herself at last.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on March 16, 2014, 09:35:36 am
DiMaggio's voice was shaky at first, but he worked it out near the end. I think Wakka's voice would've changed after all; it's been about three years, and he's a completely changed man.

Taylor did great, a sophisticated naivete, Burgess was calm and with sorrow as in the first game, Lulu was slightly drained seeing as she's mayor, and Chuami and Kurgum were about where I placed them to be.



It's nice to hear it in English. It's not really that bad, revisiting it.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: catnip on March 16, 2014, 01:34:43 pm
It's not necessarily the voice itself, but he definitely lost the accent. Living in Besaid and being around all of those people... it would be pretty unlikely it'd go away.

Regardless, I'm just super glad that he's the one who took on the role! It's nice to have the original VAs back ^^

I don't like Chuami (only because she's claiming to be Auron's daughter, go away), but the VA did great on her. Definitely an awesome job there. Kurgum sounded like a cliche anime voice. It just doesn't sound right out of context imo
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 17, 2014, 06:57:00 am
Now all we have to do is wait for the English dubbed Last Mission cutscenes. Then we can hear how Tara Strong and Gwendoline Yeo handled Rikku and Paine's voices eleven years later. :P Man, it feels great to have all the original voice actors back, even if they don't sound exactly the same.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: SassyLilPanda on March 19, 2014, 09:08:32 pm
Hello friends. :) I'm new here and the FFX universe is by far my favorite. I love the engaging stories, characters and the world of Spira so much. I'm hoping that something comes out of this. The audio drama was finally released in English on YouTube if anyone is interested in viewing and listening. It was wonderfully refreshing hearing Tidus speak again. Though he sounds much more grown and mature, he still has that cheerfulness about him that I loved. :)
Anyway, here's the English version of the Audio Drama if anyone wishes to hear it. :)
http://youtu.be/-KCti826YdI

Also... I saw that there were some translations done of the X-2.5 novella... I was just wondering if more will be done? I was reading this thread:
http://ffx3chat.createaforum.com/general-discussion/the-novella-chapter-translations/msg509/#msg509
I apologize if I'm posting in the wrong thread. I hope you guys enjoy this! ^_^
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Ananda on March 19, 2014, 10:54:10 pm
My god, im in love with Tidus' voice!!
Love him so much <3
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: catnip on March 20, 2014, 10:58:39 am
the audio drama is a cute little bonus to peek into the characters, but I am not here for its intentions. I really do believe they're hoping 'Will' will be X-2's 'Eternal Calm' and lead to another game. I think enough is enough and it should stop while it's still good

However, I wouldn't be opposed to an X-3 movie! That way it feels more like it being canon or not is optional.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 20, 2014, 11:16:04 am
Ohohoho! An FFX-3 movie would be nice. Seeing Spira and all our favourite characters in all their next-gen CGI glory... *Q*

It would definitely look better than VII's environment due to all the colours and exotic places. XD
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: SassyLilPanda on March 20, 2014, 11:32:25 am
I was just saying this elsewhere, but I would cry with happiness if they released a CG FFX movie like they did with Advent Children... omg. ;_;
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: CrystalOfLies on March 22, 2014, 01:51:49 pm
WAITWAITWAITWAIT, hold up!

Skip to around 19 minutes in the audio drama. Maelu's father... that's definitely James Arnold Taylor's voice! You can even hear bits of Tidus in his speech!

Haha, that's pretty cool. I've seen enough media with JAT in them to know what his voice is like, no matter how high or low it is.

On another note, I found an English dubbed version of Last Mission (German subtitles, but hey! English voices!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5CB9Jvp3b4

My opinions?

Yuna sounds great. Rikku sounds fantastic, only a tiny bit older. Paine surprisingly sounds the same as well, though she sounds more 'lady-like,' I guess. I think she has a tiny bit of an accent, as well. XD

Now all I have to do is find a 100% save file.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on March 23, 2014, 01:29:42 am
^ I figured that was JAT, too, as the kid's father. I have something of an obsession with JAT (well, maybe just Tidus and Ratchet mostly, and James is such a genuinely nice and positive guy), so I often recognize him in random things too.

I don't think I'm going to listen to any of the English dubbing of Last Mission yet because I'd rather wait till I get a 100% file on my own. I have a tendency to spoil everything for myself, but not this time. XD
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Ananda on April 01, 2014, 08:57:36 pm
I love JAT!
And yeah, i wont see anything from LM, until i get my 100% file  :D
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: CrystalOfLies on April 03, 2014, 01:39:19 pm
lul, I just realised something else.

Where the heck is Vidina? He isn't mentioned, or even referenced anywhere during the audio drama. I don't think it would be like Lulu to pass him onto a babysitter while she's out doing other 'mayoral' stuff. You think he'd be more well known since he's the son of two legendary guardians. And it definitely isn't like her to just embark on a potentially life-threatening journey without saying goodbye to her child, or anybody else for that matter. Unless Wakka stayed behind for some reason.

Maybe Nojima forgot about him or isn't important enough to include him. But then again in X-2, half of the story arc in Besaid revolved around Wakka going to be a father, and Vidina is even seen in the Good Ending.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: catnip on April 03, 2014, 01:52:02 pm
@CrystalOfLies

I thought it was odd that no one even asked about him either. But then I stopped caring.

Alsooooo please don't post spoilers without stating them as such, some of us are completely new to the international content
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Ananda on April 03, 2014, 07:11:00 pm
Woah! I forgot about Vidina!
Poor baby, he isn't mentioned, there are flaws such as this in the novella and the audio drama. I wonder what happen with bipolar Rikku (novella) and Paine, they aren't mentioned in the audio drama right?

I would love to hear the part of LM, when Yuna talks about Tidus, a few years ago, i saw a LM video with english subtitles, but i suppose it wasn't exactly the official translation.
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: LightningxHope on July 13, 2015, 01:16:05 pm
Lulu: Sin has been revived, yes? If something else can also be revived, then the return of Sin is not surprising.
Chiami: I didn't really understand what she meant, so I looked at Tidus. That man's eyebrows were raised, his gaze fixated on the mayor with his eyes widening in surprise.
Lulu: We have to go.
Tidus: ...Yeah.


So what are they gonna do? I didn't really understand that too? Was Lulu hinting about Tidus' revival?
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: kk on July 13, 2015, 09:09:28 pm
I think they were hinting at the return of the Fayth, and assuming Yuna was gonna go attempt to summon them. But that's just my guess. O_o
Title: Re: The Audio Drama: Final Fantasy X -Will-
Post by: Danko Kaji on August 26, 2015, 04:53:48 pm
I always thought they were referencing Jecht's return as Sin, or is that just me?

But then again, with the whole novel translated, now I wonder if Yuna told anyone the truth about Tidus's existence post-Price of Eternity. If Yuna did indeed confide in Lulu (and only Lulu, I can't imagine Wakka taking it well), then it would make sense she was hinting at Tidus. But then again, that doesn't explain how Tidus would understand if simply knowing he's an incarnate spirit puts him at major risk of disappearing. So, yeah. I'm confuzzled.  ???