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Title: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 09, 2014, 10:53:37 pm
How gravely does this impact your feelings towards the series of FFX?
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 10, 2014, 03:32:40 am
I can't pinpoint why, but the TidusxYuna relationship I feel is very important to me. Something about them just makes me feel more interested for them more than any other video game couple.

Maybe it's because they genuinely like each other instead of 'difficult feelings' getting in the way. Maybe it's because of all the hints that they're falling in love are dropped everywhere, and while they don't mean much separated, they dig into our subconscious and make us want to get them together. Maybe it's just because they look adorable together. Maybe it's because the scene where they finally get together (Macalania Lake) made a huge impact on gamers worldwide, not only because they were the first FF couple that actually had their kiss shown up close, but because of the buildup to that scene and the way the FMV was executed. It's just... ahh.

And when you start up X-2, you're not just playing it for the completion value. You want to see Tidus and Yuna get their happy ending. You want to reunite them. Even if people hate the cheesiness of X-2, they still play through it because they want to get that Good Ending and see Spira's main couple together. You grow to care about the characters, and considering the fact that they're really just a mishmash of polygons and binary code, that's saying a lot.

I think why I and so many others are angry about Tidus and Yuna's 'break up' in Will, is because it really didn't need to happen. In X, sure it did. Tidus didn't have a choice to stay in Spira. X-2 was about finding a way to bring Tidus back home. Sure, there was this whole 'saving the world again' business, but the main theme of the game was finding Tidus. That's why Yuna even became a sphere hunter in the first place.

The rising threat in Will could have easily been triggered by Tidus' resurrection at the end of X-2, and not because he had his head blown off and his second resurrection caused the Farplane to actually realise that something was wrong. This whole Tidus and Yuna break up thing just feels like a forced ploy to add more melodrama. Yuna could have just easily gone, 'I'm sorry, but I must do this on my own. I can't risk losing you to Sin again. I'm sorry.' instead of lying to Tidus about a very sensitive subject to both him and herself.

Then again, half of the setups for FFX-3 fanfictions are Tidus and Yuna being engaged/married, then they find out about some greater evil plaguing Spira and they get together with their friends to fight it. The other half is Tidus' and Yuna's kid along with the other characters' kids getting together to fight the evil instead. Maybe the writers just wanted to throw some unpredictability in there, since they know that there's dozens of FFX-3 fanfictions that all largely follow the same setup.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: moonstone on January 10, 2014, 03:49:12 am
Although, I've never really giving it much thought, I do like their relationship and how it was developed and presented throughout the series so far...
With X focusing on their parting (separation), and X-2 on their reunion.

If the ending of (a possible) X-3 does focus on their relationship (it could focus on something/someone else besides their relationship)
I wonder how it will be presented.
Having them part ways once again, or even reunite as an ending seems a bit repetitive...
So I thought, maybe they'll both die in the end together, giving it a bitter but sweet ending, in which they both die, but are together...
I guess something like love in death....but I guess that was already portrayed with Lenne and Shuyin...
So I think it might be portrayed differently in the ending...

I think it was their relationship that left a great impact on the players.
Of course I don't think it was the only thing, but definitely one of them.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: denizenofevil on January 10, 2014, 04:28:04 am
Extremely important.  I think their relationship and its development was my favorite part of FFX and it's the only reason I tolerated playing through X2.  It's the reason why I'm nervous about FFX-2.5 and the audio drama as well as the possible FFX-3.   I would be really upset if they ended up apart in the end. 
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 08:52:19 am
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Extremely important.  I think their relationship and its development was my favorite part of FFX and it's the only reason I tolerated playing through X2.  It's the reason why I'm nervous about FFX-2.5 and the audio drama as well as the possible FFX-3.   I would be really upset if they ended up apart in the end.

This. It's very important man. I will be depressed if they are not together at the end of X-3  :'( Secondhand heartbreak is a bad as the real one y'know.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 08:53:54 am
I can't pinpoint why, but the TidusxYuna relationship I feel is very important to me. Something about them just makes me feel more interested for them more than any other video game couple.

Maybe it's because they genuinely like each other instead of 'difficult feelings' getting in the way. Maybe it's because of all the hints that they're falling in love are dropped everywhere, and while they don't mean much separated, they dig into our subconscious and make us want to get them together. Maybe it's just because they look adorable together. Maybe it's because the scene where they finally get together (Macalania Lake) made a huge impact on gamers worldwide, not only because they were the first FF couple that actually had their kiss shown up close, but because of the buildup to that scene and the way the FMV was executed. It's just... ahh.

And when you start up X-2, you're not just playing it for the completion value. You want to see Tidus and Yuna get their happy ending. You want to reunite them. Even if people hate the cheesiness of X-2, they still play through it because they want to get that Good Ending and see Spira's main couple together. You grow to care about the characters, and considering the fact that they're really just a mishmash of polygons and binary code, that's saying a lot.

I think why I and so many others are angry about Tidus and Yuna's 'break up' in Will, is because it really didn't need to happen. In X, sure it did. Tidus didn't have a choice to stay in Spira. X-2 was about finding a way to bring Tidus back home. Sure, there was this whole 'saving the world again' business, but the main theme of the game was finding Tidus. That's why Yuna even became a sphere hunter in the first place.

The rising threat in Will could have easily been triggered by Tidus' resurrection at the end of X-2, and not because he had his head blown off and his second resurrection caused the Farplane to actually realise that something was wrong. This whole Tidus and Yuna break up thing just feels like a forced ploy to add more melodrama. Yuna could have just easily gone, 'I'm sorry, but I must do this on my own. I can't risk losing you to Sin again. I'm sorry.' instead of lying to Tidus about a very sensitive subject to both him and herself.

Then again, half of the setups for FFX-3 fanfictions are Tidus and Yuna being engaged/married, then they find out about some greater evil plaguing Spira and they get together with their friends to fight it. The other half is Tidus' and Yuna's kid along with the other characters' kids getting together to fight the evil instead. Maybe the writers just wanted to throw some unpredictability in there, since they know that there's dozens of FFX-3 fanfictions that all largely follow the same setup.

I agree with everything you've said but I want to mention the bolded point because it's part of what is so irking me about this novel. KaminaSan's initial summary seems to verify what a lot of fans have been saying about Yuna's behavior towards Tidus - that she acts annoyed by him and subsequently cold. Apparently some deus ex machina locks away her memories, but even before that she was annoyed by his childishness - to the point of telling herself that it's something they must work through.

I'm sorry, but that's just a crock of s***. What's so great about their relationship is that they were instantly drawn to each other and liked each other as you said. There were no hurdles to cross in the sense of them getting along, there was not BS between them or drama.  For her to suddenly be displeased with his personality is absurd and contradictory to the basis of their relationship - especially after such a short time of being reunited. It's also important to note that she made a lot of development in X-2, becoming more of a free spirit who was in touch with herself. She was allowed to be a young girl for the first time without the world on her shoulders. But now, it's like none of that mattered. Is Last Mission even being taken into account at all? She seemed to enjoy every second with him and wanted time to stand still for them, and she boasted about being in the company of someone so passionate.

Tidus and Yuna mean a lot to me as a couple, and I'm truly saddened at what Square Enix has done here.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 10, 2014, 05:16:05 pm
Extremely important.  I think their relationship and its development was my favorite part of FFX and it's the only reason I tolerated playing through X2.  It's the reason why I'm nervous about FFX-2.5 and the audio drama as well as the possible FFX-3.   I would be really upset if they ended up apart in the end. 

Agree 100%

I cant see FFX-3 ruining their relationship...Its simply to important and a big part of the FFX world i can see Drama being a main factor in their relationship and the story for FFX-3 especially with the way FF-2.5 and the audio drama is going but they cant ruin their relationship they just cant :-\
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 05:35:03 pm
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Is Last Mission even being taken into account at all? She seemed to enjoy every second with him and wanted time to stand still for them, and she boasted about being in the company of someone so passionate.

I'm not sure if I'm being extremely paranoid here or what but I fear SE could uncanon this just to make X-2.5 possible.
Instead of 'Yuna is living happily ever after with Tidus 3 months after X-2' we could be seeing 'Yuna seems to not enjoy to be in the company of Tidus and his childishness a few months after X-2'
But since we don't know the exact timeline of X-2.5 so I hope this isn't the case...
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Mystic Dragon on January 10, 2014, 05:37:57 pm
How gravely does this impact your feelings towards the series of FFX?

How about you Internal Medicine Doctor? :)
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 06:43:05 pm
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Is Last Mission even being taken into account at all? She seemed to enjoy every second with him and wanted time to stand still for them, and she boasted about being in the company of someone so passionate.

Ok, I just happened to watch the latest Last Mission cutscenes from FFX-2 HD and when I compared the latest cutscenes with the translated Last Mission cutscenes posted years ago...


Floor 30 from the supposed video mentioning Yuna's life with Tidus after X-2, posted in 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QESF_yfs-A4#t=173
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Rikku:  What?

Yuna:  Don't you find it magical?

Yuna:  I've been away from Besaid too long now.  I wonder if he's watching the
same sunset...

Rikku:  The same......huh?

Yuna:  But you know, even though we watch the same things, everyday, it's with
a new perspective.

Rikku:  Is that sooo?

Yuna:  It's just that......nowadays, it hurts to be away from him.

Rikku:  Ooohhhhh......

Paine:  So, Yuna, you're still in Besaid?

Rikku:  Yup yup!  But after a while, I know she'll get tired of it and return
to the Gullwings!

Yuna:  That's not going to happen!

Yuna:  Those time when he was gone, my life was so mixed up and lonely.

Yuna:  But it all changed in that moment when we came flying back to the
island......


Floor 30 from the video posted in 2014, the Japanese phrases sound the same like in the video above http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PgV20RVOrw
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Rikku:  What is it?

Yuna:  It's strange, don't you think?

Yuna:  We're so far from Besaid, but the sunset looks the same

Rikku:  Hmm, yeah. The same... Well I guess you're right

Yuna:  But even though it looks the same things, it actually changes everyday

Rikku:  Is does?

Yuna:  It's just something I've been thinking recently.

Rikku:  Hmm...

Paine:  So, you've been staying at Besaid?

Rikku:  Yeah, she has. She's totally gone back to her life before she joined the Gullwings.

Yuna:  That's not true at all!

Yuna:  Back then I was  only thinking of someone I had lost.

Yuna:  I wanted a change from all that so I left the island.

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As much as I hate to say it but it seems the translated bits of Last Mission (Yuna living with Tidus, cooking for him etc) posted on GameFAQ and on the old videos were inaccurate. Anyone can confirm this?

Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 06:56:31 pm
No, she does talk about Tidus, but it depends on your percentage completion of the game. This is what you get if you achieved the "normal" ending or if you have a low completion amount, not the 100% ending.

Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 06:59:05 pm
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No, she does talk about Tidus, but it depends on your percentage completion of the game. This is what you get if you achieved the "normal" ending, not the 100% ending.

This is what I thought too, but looking at the videos, do you think the subber (the first video) accidentally subbed the translations on the wrong video?

Edit: If anyone can find the video of Yuna actually mentioning Tidus, link it to me.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 07:16:01 pm
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No, she does talk about Tidus, but it depends on your percentage completion of the game. This is what you get if you achieved the "normal" ending, not the 100% ending.

This is what I thought too, but looking at the videos, do you think the subber (the first video) accidentally subbed the translations on the wrong video?

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, surely you jest, sorry. Do you mean, does the first video translated from years back have the wrong subtitles by mistake? I think it's right, it's just that the scenes are identical with different dialogue. I'm not sure if it's the same videos, but I remember an uploader had posted both versions of the scenes that take place, the ones with Tidus as well as the ones without.

These new ones are definitely just the version without, which is funny because I think most people are only interested in the 100% version. Maybe they'll post the rest later.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 07:23:16 pm
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Do you mean, does the first video translated from years back have the wrong subtitles by mistake?

Haha sorry about that and yup this is what I meant ^

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I think it's right, it's just that the scenes are identical with different dialogue.

No, if you watch the first and second video, clearly the dialogues are the same but the subs/translations are different.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 07:45:46 pm
Oh, okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, if the the voice acting is identical in these two vids then I suppose someone must have made a mistake with that as you said.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 10, 2014, 07:47:47 pm
Official and fan translations will almost always differ, but they will also almost always get the central point across similarly.

The fan translation was taking the Japanese, literally interpreting it, and then conforming it to make it concise in English. Details are a token thing that can be attributed to the individual translator himself as they are inherently at your own mileage, so the translator's main purpose is to carry over the fundamentals.

Not only that, but it's likely that the English subs are meant to be played for an English audience.
The scripts will not be the same in English as in Japanese, as language is not and shouldn't be literally cipherable.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 07:51:54 pm
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Oh, okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, if the the voice acting is identical in these two vids then I suppose someone must have made a mistake with that as you said.

Haha you get what I mean right? You mentioned:

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but I remember an uploader had posted both versions of the scenes that take place, the ones with Tidus as well as the ones without.

Assuming the videos I posted are the ones without Tidus so how's the video with him being mentioned like (if you have seen it)?
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 10, 2014, 07:53:36 pm
How gravely does this impact your feelings towards the series of FFX?

How about you Internal Medicine Doctor? :)

The story is a good deal important, but the characters of equal stagger.
I'm invested in the relationship for the sake of Yuna's character.
I don't mind what happens to them as long as it's in Yuna's reasoning.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 10, 2014, 07:56:48 pm
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Oh, okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, if the the voice acting is identical in these two vids then I suppose someone must have made a mistake with that as you said.

Haha you get what I mean right?

There was no mistake made. Japanese is interpreted on the basis of the interpreter, and there are most likely separate scripts for English text. No text in language will be entirely transferred and ciphered to another.
Language does not work within such strict barriers.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 08:01:56 pm
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Official and fan translations will almost always differ

Yeah. Now I'm wondering if 'Yuna watches the sunset with Tidus, Yuna cooks for Tidus' actually happened due to this translation bits. IIRC, the Last Mission script was translated by Marcelo X and I'm sure most people has referred to his translations on GameFAQ when trying to know the events of LM.

So having known that the official and fan translation differ, did

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Is Last Mission even being taken into account at all? She seemed to enjoy every second with him and wanted time to stand still for them, and she boasted about being in the company of someone so passionate.

even happened?

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There was no mistake made. Japanese is interpreted on the basis of the interpreter, and there are most likely separate scripts for English text. No text in language will be entirely transferred and ciphered to another.

Didn't see your post there, anyways, basically we just have to wait and see, right? Well I hope the English version keeps the fluff intact surely you jest.

Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 10, 2014, 08:14:07 pm
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Official and fan translations will almost always differ

Yeah. Now I'm wondering if 'Yuna watches the sunset with Tidus, Yuna cooks for Tidus' actually happened due to this translation bits. IIRC, the Last Mission script was translated by Marcelo X and I'm sure most people has referred to his translations on GameFAQ when trying to know the events of LM.

So having known that the official and fan translation differ, did

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Is Last Mission even being taken into account at all? She seemed to enjoy every second with him and wanted time to stand still for them, and she boasted about being in the company of someone so passionate.

even happened?

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There was no mistake made. Japanese is interpreted on the basis of the interpreter, and there are most likely separate scripts for English text. No text in language will be entirely transferred and ciphered to another.

Didn't see your post there, anyways, basically we just have to wait and see, right? Well I hope the English version keeps the fluff intact surely you jest.

The person who posted that HD Remake version of LM most likely didn't complete enough of the game or get the perfect ending, and therefore no fluff concerning Tidus.
Instead, since the dialogue in LM depends on how you completed the game, "making up new foods to cook for him" and "walking on the beach with him" turns into generic "cooking food" and "beach walks" on abridged completions.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 08:18:25 pm
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Oh, okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, if the the voice acting is identical in these two vids then I suppose someone must have made a mistake with that as you said.

Haha you get what I mean right? You mentioned:

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but I remember an uploader had posted both versions of the scenes that take place, the ones with Tidus as well as the ones without.

Assuming the videos I posted are the ones without Tidus so how's the video with him being mentioned like (if you have seen it)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp8mcNXGknM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInORsuj_Yc

I think she may mention him a couple other times, but these are the main ones.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 08:19:55 pm
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The person who posted that HD Remake version of LM most likely didn't complete enough of the game

He didn't load any saves from X-2 when he started LM, that I'm aware of. I'm just puzzled about the translations part.

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Instead, since the dialogue in LM depends on how you completed the game, "making up new foods to cook for him" and "walking on the beach with him" turns into generic "cooking food" and "beach walks" on abridged completions.

If it interests anyone, here's a video of Yuna cooking for... herself? Who knows maybe if the uploader actually loaded his perfect ending, the sub would change from 'cook meals' to 'cook meals for him'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBLUF51VNf4&list=UU2w3KRCTGcETCq9JxPZ7RVQ&feature=c4-overview
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 10, 2014, 08:21:13 pm
Exactly, now you've got it.

It's that the text differs for different completion percentages of the game, and the uploader must have gotten a different completion percentage than the one required for the Tidus-intensive dialogue.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 08:26:23 pm
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Exactly, now you've got it.

Haha yeah my issue was that I got confused about the 2009/2014 videos, at the time I was like 'Wtf how can there be different translations despite the same dialogues' so there must be a mistake on the subbing part (2009). Because I remember some years ago someone linked me the video, the supposed video mentioning Yuna's life with Tidus in LM.

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I think she may mention him a couple other times, but these are the main ones.

THIS ONE! Finally, thanks.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 08:35:06 pm
Like, I haven't seen too much footage from X-2 and now I'm pretty flabbergasted at the facial changes. God, why? Yuna looked way better before....
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 08:42:18 pm
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Like, I haven't seen too much footage from X-2

Well, that's one of the things we'd have to get use to huh the rest being X-2.5, X-3 and maybe the actual dialogues of LM

Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 08:51:32 pm
IKR? At one time I was ultra enthused about everything but the more I learn the less I like. -_- I knew about the changes to the faces in X (the more I look at Tidus the worse he looks to me) but the changes to X-2 come as a surprise. I can't understand why they chose to outsource the project to begin with, what a crock. Shows how important any of this is to them.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 09:12:23 pm
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(the more I look at Tidus the worse he looks to me)

The first few renders of Tidus looked so SCARY omg  :o Luckily his finalized model looks much much more tolerable though I kinda miss his duck lips surely you jest
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 09:34:59 pm

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(the more I look at Tidus the worse he looks to me)

The first few renders of Tidus looked so SCARY omg l

For real though! He was hideous! I can't believe they actually showed that footage to people with him lookin' like that. SMH As it stands now he definitely looks FAR better than that creature we initially saw but it's still disappointing. They've shortened his neck and made his face rounder, which just gives him a dumpier appearance. His CG model is so sleek and long necked and high cheek boned and gorgeous - this new model doesn't really look a thing like it if that's what they were going for. The old model had more nuance and detail in the neck, chest, clavicle and face that's missing now.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 09:55:30 pm
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For real though! He was hideous! I can't believe they actually showed that footage to people with him lookin' like that.

surely you jest! True! And it's no surprise that Yuna would leave him for someone else if he were to look like that throughout the game. too soon? sorry  :-X

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They've shortened his neck and made his face rounder, which just gives him a dumpier appearance.

I haven't seen his features in detail but damn Tidus are those eyebags? Luckily Yuna in X isn't as bad though, I actually like her face better  8)
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: kk on January 10, 2014, 10:02:59 pm
Sorry if I misread something, but I'm a little confused about a lot of the Last Mission commentary on this thread... I was thinking that maybe SplitPlaythru's video were for the default, NOT good/perfect ending version, too, but then....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PgV20RVOrw

If you watch this one, Yuna is way much vague than she was during the fan-translated scenes, and it's weird because she says, 'she met someone'. Which doesn't sound like she's talking about Tidus, because they've long since met. But at 2:41 Rikku says, "but if he's back, too, why are you just spending all your time on Besaid, Yunie?"

Who else could she be talking about 'coming back' other than Tidus? It's weird... I can't tell if this IS or isn't the good/perfect ending version of Last Mission...
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Internal Medicine Doctor on January 10, 2014, 10:13:18 pm
It's not the full one, don't worry.

I doubt whoever did that play-through did as well as to get full percentage the full time around, especially in such a time.
It's safe to assume they wouldn't remove mention of Tidus from the game, no matter how intentionally ambiguous.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 10, 2014, 10:14:57 pm
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I was thinking that maybe SplitPlaythru's video were for the default, NOT good/perfect ending version, too, but then....

Yeah it is the default playthrough. I was just confused about the translations:

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I got confused about the 2009/2014 videos, at the time I was like 'Wtf how can there be different translations despite the same dialogues' so there must be a mistake on the subbing part (2009).

If you listen to the Japanese conversations word-by-word, you'll notice the two videos are similar in terms of dialogues but with different official/fan translations and has nothing to do with default/good/perfect playthrough. And I think I can answer my own question when the game is released on March.

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and it's weird because she says, 'she met someone'. Which doesn't sound like she's talking about Tidus

And yet Yuna says 'It's because of him' in the fan translated version, right?  ;)

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Who else could she be talking about 'coming back' other than Tidus? It's weird... I can't tell if this IS or isn't the good/perfect ending version of Last Mission...

I'm confused about this part too.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Pyreflies_of_MJ on January 10, 2014, 10:37:45 pm
It's definitely confusing but since Wakka and Lulu's baby isn't mentioned either, there has to be more to it than this. This seems to be the most vague, generic version possible.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: kk on January 11, 2014, 05:32:45 am
Thing is, I've been watching this guy's playthrough... and he received the 100% ending, as you can see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThSqFKxjUMk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThSqFKxjUMk). So, why would he get the generic version?

I'm just hoping they didn't alter it for the sake of X-2.5/the audio drama. But I don't think they would... I mean, it was out in Japan for a long time. They can't just change it like that, could they? Just straight up pull a 1984 on us, haha. "THAT NEVER HAPPENED, DELETE THE EVIDENCE--"

But maybe this guy got the wrong subs because I think the subs on his videos are a result of a ps3 hack that automatically imports the subs... maybe the hack just automatically put up the default words. I dunno. It's just weird.

Guess we'll just have to wait until March to know for sure what the official translation is. But patience is so hard, haha.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 11, 2014, 07:15:41 am
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Thing is, I've been watching this guy's playthrough... and he received the 100% ending, as you can see here:

He started LM without loading his 100% X-2 save file, as you can see on his first LM video. So that's why he get the generic version.

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But patience is so hard, haha.

I know how you feel Q_Q
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 11, 2014, 08:48:22 am
Oh, he didn't start on a 100% save file. Phew! I was worried there.

If they had altered the dialogue that Yuna said just to keep 'consistent' with 2.5 and Will, man, I would have been ranting till tomorrow's sunset. ._.

Hey, do you think Yuna will say Tidus' name this time around? Cause that would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Akuwah on January 11, 2014, 10:04:26 am
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If they had altered the dialogue that Yuna said just to keep 'consistent' with 2.5 and Will, man, I would have been ranting till tomorrow's sunset. ._.

Rest assured you won't be the only one ranting, haha we could even host a mass ranting in regard to this surely you jest.

Anyways, I have not seen all the old/recent videos of LM except for the ones I posted and so far what I've noticed is that the dialogues are still the same. The dialogues could change in the localized version though  :-X
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: kk on January 11, 2014, 08:53:41 pm
CrystalOfLies, I think she will! Because they say his name in the Epilogue, and the book, right? I think they've given up on letting you customize his name, surely you jest. Dissidia probably helped that along, too.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Kaimi on January 12, 2014, 06:09:58 am
Their bond really didn't grow on me. I guess it's because Final Fantasy X-2 was my first game, in the series. I grew more fond of Shuyin and Lenne's relationship, even though it's similar to Tidus and Yuna's. Still, there are some nice moments in Final Fantasy X that can really grow on a person, like Luca episode (mainly whistling and laugh), the whole Home episode, and the "Underwater Date" scene.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: CrystalOfLies on January 12, 2014, 07:52:22 am
Huh? Why did you start on FFX-2?

Not insulting you. Just asking.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Kaimi on January 12, 2014, 09:45:46 am
I got Final Fantasy X-2 kind of by an accident. My dad bought the game around 2005 or 2006 IIRC and back then I didn't know there was something like Final Fantasy series. Around 2009, maybe 2010, I bought Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy XII.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Grellotine on January 15, 2014, 06:16:02 am
Someone's come back other than Tidus,huh?

 The surprise is that Seymour has come back and Yuna realised she loved him. It's obvious ,guys. :P
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: Ananda on January 28, 2014, 01:13:54 pm
This couple is EXTREMELY important to me, they are part of my childhood memories, and i dont want them to be ruin with this novella (i actually was not mad with the audio drama)

I remember when i first saw the kissing scene in Macalania, i was watching with total bliss, thats when i realised that this game will hold a special place in my heart, i just loved everything from that game (yeah, even the chocobo race and the lightning bolts XD) and also howTidus and Yuna's relationship developed throughout the game, and when i saw the end , when i saw that Tidus was fading away, i was heartbroken. I was like: "NOOOOOOO! TIDUS DONT JUMP!!!!!"

And FFX-2 wasnt what we expected, but i was happy with the happy ending, although i would actually prefer that X-2 shouldnt exist, because the FFX ending was beautiful, but i understood that Tidus and Yuna deserved tobe together.

I dont want them to ruin their love, so lets hope that if they do X-3, they do it right :-)
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: gyigyo on February 08, 2014, 01:42:54 pm
I dont know i never see ida and yuna fit each other i mean i rather wanted to see tidus alone or with rikku yeah rikku is more fit for tida than yuna
so if you ask me yuna and tida relationship is ugly and bad lovestory like twilight.
Title: Re: How important is the relationship between Tidus and Yuna to you?
Post by: CrystalOfLies on February 08, 2014, 01:55:46 pm
surely you jest

I'm not attacking your opinion, but don't you think comparing TidusxYuna to Twilight and calling it ugly is a bit harsh?

If you're taking the novella/audio drama into light then sure, it's WAY worse. But in X/X-2 if you think about it, their relationship had a lot of depth and just... feel-goodness. Until the second half of the game. Then it gets pretty tragic and depressing.

Apart from this Will/2.5 hurricane, I don't see any sort of similarity between a man preventing a woman from sacrificing herself by ironically sacrificing himself, and a creepy sparkly vampire fighting a werewolf over an over-obsessive psychopath, and turning her into a vampire so they can make hideous vampire babies that are subjected to the very fortunate werewolf.