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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #315 on: March 30, 2014, 02:17:37 pm »
I just feel like with my 200 approx. hours of gameplay of X and X-2 I deserve something better than this. FFX was my gateway FF, and I've been a fan of it ever since. It feels like an insult quite frankly.

Jesus, I wish they had just took some of the fic Fumbling Towards Ecstacy and just made that canon, because that was far better written and explained and in character than this!

Although I was hoping for -Will- to be a happy ending, I would have been more than happy with introducing - or even hinting at - new threats. The fact we got neither of these is something I just can't get my head around.

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« Reply #316 on: March 30, 2014, 09:53:34 pm »
I just feel like with my 200 approx. hours of gameplay of X and X-2 I deserve something better than this. FFX was my gateway FF, and I've been a fan of it ever since. It feels like an insult quite frankly.

Jesus, I wish they had just took some of the fic Fumbling Towards Ecstacy and just made that canon, because that was far better written and explained and in character than this!

Although I was hoping for -Will- to be a happy ending, I would have been more than happy with introducing - or even hinting at - new threats. The fact we got neither of these is something I just can't get my head around.

Exactly. I feel its a BIG insult for us th fans of X X-2 and as she said Fumbling Towards Ectasy was far better than that!!
And if someone of you my friends expected a happy epilogue, the best thing to do is to write your own happy ending of the story in fanfiction.
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« Reply #317 on: March 31, 2014, 12:06:33 pm »
You know what? That's exactly what I thought the audio drama would be, too. (Dammit, I forgot about the Moonflow. Y U NO remember, Nojima? ;_;) Just a sweet, short little story detailing everybody's lives in the Eternal Calm. It would have made a nice and humble little addition for the saga's 10th anniversary. Heck, when the game was released, they had promotional events and posters for Tidus and Yuna as a couple! And near its release in the US, they had the balls to make Valentine's Day trailers for FFX/X-2, despite them clearly knowing what BS they made Tidus and Yuna go through in the new content. That's just... foul, Square. It's the very definition of sugarcoating.

Eternal Calm? More like Eternal CHAOS! Har har.

So... damn. This is like, anti-fanservice. Instead of Sir Tidus being welcomed home, everybody's like 'GTFO you're not one of us!'. All of his friends don't seem to care for him. His personality's almost been completely butchered by pseudo-edgy 'dialogue'. He dies AGAIN, and only after a few days of getting revived. His current state is pretty much a zombie with slightly muffed emotions. Meanwhile, Yuna goes through 'Drastic Character Change 2: Electric Boogaloo,' and once again resorts to cryptic lies. Seemingly forgetting that the whole reason she was married by a dead half-Guado insane Maester was because she lied to/hid Jyscal's sphere from her guardians.

The sad thing is, we're really not kidding when we say that fanfiction has done better follow-ups than this. This is just... sinful. (geddit harhar-/shot)

EDIT: Holy crap, you know what I just realised? The last line that Tidus speaks at the end of the Good Ending is 'I wanna hear everything!'. Before all this came out, many people speculated that all of X-2 was a flashback, and Yuna's narration segments are her telling the events to Tidus after he came back, much like how most of X is a flashback, with Tidus' narration segments telling everybody his point of view of the pilgrimage. This CLEARLY doesn't match up with X-2.5. Instead, Yuna goes off and does her own thing, leaving Rikku and Paine to make sure Tidus is up to date with everything that went on. And it couldn't have been Yuna just talking to herself to keep her company. Her story clearly began with, 'It all started when I saw this sphere of you,' and even directly refers to Tidus by pronoun a few times.

lul, nearly all of the canon's been fired out of a cannon and into a fire, apparently.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2014, 12:44:06 pm by CrystalOfLies »
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« Reply #318 on: March 31, 2014, 08:01:49 pm »
CrystalOfLies you're right! I just realized that too!
Yuna was telling Tidus her journey in the quest of finding him in her X-2 narration, and Yuna just left Tidus with a very ****ed off Rikku and Paine in the novella, that doesnt fits with Yuna's happines of telling Tidus what happened in her journey. I remember, i had imagined that, after the ending of X-2, Tidus and Yuna will meet Lulu and Wakka, everyone happy to see Tidus and Yuna together, and then Rikku comes screaming happily to welcome Tidus in a bear hug, happy to see her big like-brother, not this annoying Rikku who screamed bipolarly at Tidus, like if she was in her days for Yevon's sake!

They all looked so OOC, I thought everyone will be happy, and ill love to see the Moonflow scene, and even how Brother reacts with Tidus' return! (I always wnated to see how Tidus and Brother could handle that XD)

So, its very deprising to see everyone so cold towards Tidus, one of the things that i loved from the X cast, is that everyone  were like a family, but now...

P.S: CrystalOfLies, keep telling me about your ideas of X-3 on the other column of Your own X-3 story...:-)

And everyone is invited to tell their own X-3 story on the Your own X-3 story... site as well
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« Reply #319 on: March 31, 2014, 08:27:19 pm »
The desire of fans aside, you do bring up a reasonable point CoL; Tidus asked Yuna to explain everything that had transpired, and regardless of whether Yuna was doing so during the narrative of the game he would've had no reason to ask her that if he had Rikku and Paine detail everything previously.

That must mean that both of them losing their memories is concrete...
but it also means that they were loving and supportive of each other even after the events in the novella, which doesn't necessarily pair up with the events in the drama that imply they were strained in their relationship due to what happened in Eternal Cost.


So Nojima has cut off the head of previously established canon and sewn a monster head in it's place.
What a scary man.

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« Reply #320 on: April 04, 2014, 08:11:17 pm »
I wonder what he was thinking when he started writing Eternal Cost...
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« Reply #321 on: April 06, 2014, 02:02:21 pm »
Hm... I wonder what happened to SoraxWare. She said that she would finish her translation by last Saturday.

Or I'm just being an irrational and impatient jerk who has no knowledge about her personal life. Or the book's harder to translate than she thought.

Either way, feelings towards the novel are still very lukewarm. I want to read more of it, but at the same time I don't.

This feels less than a continuation of X-2 and more like a creepypasta, to be honest. You got everybody acting out of place, the sudden personality changes, a protagonist feeling lonely or disturbed, the overhanging dark atmosphere and a bloody death by the victim's favourite activity. Pretty soon we'll be getting Tidus.exe, in which he hunts his friends down and severs their heads.
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« Reply #322 on: April 10, 2014, 07:23:46 pm »
Ever since i read the chapters, i was thinking: do they hate Tidus so much? They left him sad and lonely in the novella, his friends don't care for him anymore, they killed him in the most graphical and horrible way possible.
And i wonder what happen with SoraxWare too, but i thank her and understand that she has a life too :-)
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« Reply #323 on: April 15, 2014, 05:03:58 pm »
To be honest, I always thought that the majority of SE had a grudge against Tidus' character, since he was probably the first truly hated protagonist in the Final Fantasy series. Maybe not in Japan, where I hear he's actually a pretty popular character, but definitely in America and Europe. He was, by far, the most despised main character at that point just for his personality (even though he was supposed to be immature at the beginning of the game; he matures a lot by the third act) up until the creation of Vaan, who was despised for his irrelevance to the overall plot.

So naturally, SE didn't want much to do with him in later major spin-off titles. (Kingdom Hearts: Squall & Cloud: guarding Hollow Bastion. Auron: Hades' puppet AND party member for Olympus Coliseum. Tidus:... Some miniboss on the tutorial world?) I just didn't think Nojima would take it this far. X-2.5 Tidus is pretty much a physical/emotional sandbag with his skin stitched onto it from what we've heard. Heck, I've seen some avid Tidus haters and even they were quite disturbed about what happened to him in the novella.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #324 on: April 26, 2014, 08:26:32 pm »
seriously, its really really hard to know what the f**k is going on... My brain hurts so bad from all of this... SE is garbage now.

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« Reply #325 on: April 27, 2014, 01:38:23 pm »
Yo guys! Been following this forum for a few weeks now. Not many new developments so I did some searching on other forums elsewhere.... Anyway I have gathered some information..... Anyway Yuna and Tidus go on the little get away and only have sex once, on the boat, and the storm that leaves them stranded on the island happens the next day. During that time Tidus flirts wth Yuna, and she is very shy considering how he may disappear again. Tidus is immature, and mid-conversation with Yuna he see's the blitzball looking object (turns out to be a bomb), and Yuna being 2 years older and more mature than her 17 year old self becomes emotional over Tidus's immaturity (like a regular lovers spat, anyone who has a bf/gf would understand these small spats that happen time to time), and to lighten the moment, he notices the ball looking object (really bomb) and kicks it KAPLEWEY! :o (head blows off) --- (covers that part)  Anyway a fayth can be created thrue sex, sex-fayth because of the bond (mental bond) between a summoner and another person. It is a very old method used in the destroyed Zanarkand, very different from the Fayth's in X and X-2.------ Anyway Yuna is able to use the beckoning to bring Tidus back, but his memories are tainted so he is not the Tidus we all know, and Yuna cannot tell him how he is (alive/back) or he will disappear and be gone. So Tidus is dead (much like Auron was dead) but instead of having memories to hold him to the living world ( like Auron) he is blank, memories tainted, and only back because of Yuna's beckoning. He know's he is bound to Yuna, but he does not know why (tainted memories) That is why in the "audio of will" he does not understand Yuna (as old Tidus did) Yuna in "will" is keeping her distance (straining the relationship) so he won't find out and fade/disappear.

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« Reply #326 on: April 27, 2014, 01:50:41 pm »
If it's possible to find out, what exactly does it mean by 'tainted memories?' Like, does he not remember him talking to Yuna that much? Does he think that everybody had different personalities than what they really had? Do some of the events get outright changed in his mind? (eg. Not kissing Yuna in Macalania? Not finding out that she's going to die?) Did you manage to catch some of the 'bizarre' dialogue that he says after he gets revived? We were going to have a translator reveal all of this to us, but she hasn't come back for a few weeks when she had reportedly finished her translation.
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« Reply #327 on: April 27, 2014, 02:05:41 pm »
Sadly no I haven't gotten that, more of the jist of it. In my opinion I think his mind is completely blank, he got the feel's (feelings) but blank as to why, and with Yuna knowing she can't tell him about what happened she doesn't say. We all know how Yuna is  ;) Keep away to avoid others from being hurt, even if it means hurting herself, and everyone else is unaware of what happened to Tidus, so possibly they are taking Yuna's coldness and distance as something may have happened between the couple, and with Tidus being all blank, and Yuna being all silent standoffish everyone is probably pissed, since they are all closer with Yuna. (my opinion and theory)

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« Reply #328 on: April 27, 2014, 08:03:15 pm »
So the shipwrecked happened the next day after they had.. you know what. But it pisses me off how everyone treats Tidus really. :'(
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« Reply #329 on: April 28, 2014, 03:04:11 am »
So adding to what we have, it's possible that Tidus outright lost his memories, but still has his feelings for Yuna, but to him Yuna wants nothing to do with him.

Now there's nothing he can do and he doesn't know how Yuna is at all, and Lulu is being a jerk and is immediately jumping to Yuna's defence despite knowing nothing about what actually happened.

I'm seriously waiting for an X-3 where Tidus snaps and goes full-blown serial killer on his friends. You can pretty much expect it seeing how they treated him in the novel, and how his life and even sanity are slowly getting worse and worse in the audio drama.
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