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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #285 on: March 25, 2014, 04:55:39 pm »
Come on, guys. Look at the bright side.

At least Sora is putting tons of effort into his translation. As a writer, I thank you for that. Also, it's very interesting how FFX's dialogue was mostly written in a poem format. I didn't know that.

The good news is you didn't lose the will to read, let alone translate the rest of the novel halfway through, unlike our former translators. If you don't mind me being nosy, is there any other... 'questionable' major things in the novel that we haven't been informed of yet? Or is it just the nature of the novel getting progressively grimmer as it goes on? This is some mysteriously eerie stuff here.
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« Reply #286 on: March 25, 2014, 04:59:26 pm »
^^ Makes sense, SoraxWare, that's gotta be what the translators for the games did in the localization. I mean, if they did officially translate this, I'm sure it would have to be changed similarly as you said, so yeah, kudos to you! :) Also didn't know about the poem thing either, hm, interesting.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #287 on: March 25, 2014, 05:08:00 pm »
Unfortunately it's a VERY distressing novel. There's a completely different feel to this novel when compared to 10, 10-2.

I wouldn't suggest anyone who's a fan of the games to read it because it's a little too heart-breaking. There's constant sexual innuendoes. For example, Tidus compliments Yuna's "new figure" and basically tells her that her breasts make it hard for him to concentrate. He also brags about the size of his **** at numerous points and it makes it a little difficult to read.

Unfortunately, this novel is entirely canon so I'm just hoping they fix this all up in 10-3 because I don't think anyone wants Yuna and Tidus' relationship in the state it's in by the end of this novel.


EDIT: Also, a better translation for the title would be "The Price of Eternity", meaning, the price you pay for an eternity of happiness with the one you love. Because that's actually what it's referring too. "Eternal Cost" as a translation is too literal and doesn't really make any sense.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #288 on: March 25, 2014, 05:13:04 pm »
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He also brags about the size of his **** at numerous points

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WELP, I'M DONE.

ALL ABOARD THE S.S. AWKWARD~
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #289 on: March 25, 2014, 06:14:35 pm »
I understand that you took creative liberties with it, but that's not what I necessarily want posted. The raw material is jumbly and emotionless, but it's hollowness attributes to it's literal interpretation.

Filling it in with a more respectable localization perspective is a honourable task, but it's highly at your disposal. Not to disclaim any action on your part, but I'll message you about it and talk in detail.

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« Reply #290 on: March 25, 2014, 08:14:52 pm »
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He also brags about the size of his **** at numerous points

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WELP, I'M DONE.

ALL ABOARD THE S.S. AWKWARD~

Jesus Christ, seriously!?

I mean, sometimes dick jokes have their place, and Tidus flirting with Yuna is a given, but that, um....I don't even know what to say about that. This is supposed to be Tidus we're talking about, right. Sweet ol Tidus, who likes to kiss underwater and say mushy stuff to Yuna - what have they done to ya here? First he recklessly puts his and Yuna's lives in jeopardy with an abrupt booty call, and now this? Sure, I could totally see him saying something on the pervy side to her, but it seems rather early in their relationship for that, there's a time and place and I don't think he'd be blunt either.

I think it's quite fair to say that any and all semblance of romance has been smashed bloody with a steel mallet at this point. What a shame. I'm honestly going to have to pretend this doesn't exist because it's ruining what I loved most about the games. I don't generally like romances, but I really loved this one. It was so sweet and tender and I felt like the characters, regardless of circumstance, would be there for each other.  I wouldn't even give as much of a **** about it being dark and dreary if the characters were actually themselves and were as passionate as they were initially created to be.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #291 on: March 26, 2014, 12:42:09 am »
I'm skeptical of the claim this is "entirely canon" as Sora says. Since when have ANY of the FF novels been fully canon...? Square doesn't even consider the FFVII novels fully canon, does it? Or the KH manga's? They're always considered optional additions, interpretations basically, from how I've heard it.

That's what I've always heard, anyway. So why would this one be any different?

I figured the audio drama is canon, because, well, they include it with the game, so, it's kinda shoved in your face as canon (unfortunately). But the novel??? I don't know...

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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #292 on: March 26, 2014, 01:30:40 am »
The audio drama takes place after & and references events from this novel.

It is canon.

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« Reply #293 on: March 26, 2014, 03:18:24 am »
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He also brags about the size of his **** at numerous points and it makes it a little difficult to read.

Well... I didn't see that one coming *no pun*

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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #294 on: March 26, 2014, 09:12:35 am »
Hi! Iīm new in this chat (actually, I just registered myself in in yesterday! ^_^)
Iīve been reading this post since the begining and I appreciate so much the effort and will of Pixel and KaminaSan of translating the novel (even if is such terrible that they decided stop doing it hahaha), and the posts of all of you seeking the truth instead of just accepting the rumors that pray that"Tidus kicked what looked like a blitzball, but it comes to be a a bomb, and.... well.... http://abload.de/img/kciksbombttsvx.gif" (Still being pretty terrible to me, I wish that thanks to deeper translations... there werenīt bombs, explosions, and decapitaded heads at all ^_^U)

But finally I decided to log into this chat thanks to SoraxWare: THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING! :))

Final Fantasy X is and always will be for me one of my favorites Final Fantasy games (among with FFX-2, I loved that game xDD) and thatīs the reason why I, as you all, feel so bad about this novel (at least the things that Iīve read and confirmed)

To me the history between Yuna and Tidus is very similar to the love history of Jack and Rose from Titanic: They were both very young, they didnīt spend so much time together before they have to get separated... and well, the end of both (the game and the film) basically is "the girl loosing his lover, but her heart will go on" hahaha :P
Thatīs why I love FFX-2! Even if is like a "Barbieīs ending" (Itīs how I call them: you know, everyone is happy, the bads become goods, etc xD) I was happy to know that the two of them were reunited and together again (like in Titanic.... god that movie always make me cry like a 2 years old baby xD)

About the canon and no-canon thing, the truth Is that I consider this novel canon but just a little, I mean: to me FFX and FFX-2 are both canon for obvious reasons, is true that in both Kazushige Nojima was implicated, but there were also more people who helped him to create such a wonderful game like FFX is (and even FFX-2 xD). For example Daisuke Watanabe. Iīm sure that there were more people who gave good advises to Kazushige of what was good and what should be modificaded.
In brief: To me what is canon in the universe of FFX, is the result of the collaboration between all this talented, creative and fantastic persons, thatīs why donīt really (want to xD) consider this novel canon :)
Well, as you can see I can talk the hind legs off a donkey hahaha :P

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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #295 on: March 26, 2014, 11:01:33 pm »
The audio drama takes place after & and references events from this novel.

It is canon.

I debate that wholeheartedly. All of my arguments are in the topic on the Inconsistencies and the meaning of canon, I'd encourage you to read it. It'd be one thing if it was just one of two minor discrepancies, but there are a lot of major conflicts in them. When faced with two conflicting canons (Doctor Who comics vs 50th Anniversary movie), the one in the dominant format ALWAYS trumps. FFX is a video game series, if it conflicts with the Novella, the Novella loses.

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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #296 on: March 27, 2014, 04:26:42 pm »
Okay. Then you're not very bright.

Moving right along.

So far I'm hoping to have my translation finished by Saturday so that the whole novella is translated and able to be read, there are a few things I'd like to point out however.

This is an extremely DARK story. There are a lot of things that will put most beloved fans off. I don't just mean, 'you won't want to continue reading', I mean 'you might lose the joy in ever playing either of the games again.' It really ruins the character development for Yuna and Tidus quite rapidly. I would like to also correct a LOT of the rumours that are floating around however.

1. Tidus and Yuna do NOT have sex in the middle of a storm and crash. For a majority of the first half of the book, Yuna is finding it difficult to be as close to Tidus as she used to (stupid, I know) because she's worried he'll disappear again. In a flirtatious evening they romantically agree that maybe there's a way to prove he's real, and they make love. The boat doesn't crash until the following day when a storm suddenly appears.

2. Dick jokes. Tidus makes a lot of references to the size of his... sword (sake of censorship). This might make a few fangirls happy, but all of the times he says these things, there's no build-up and therefore there's pretty much 0 humour. They're honestly in the middle of a very serious conversation and Tidus just randomly says "Something THIS big couldn't possibly be an illusion". There's also a moment where he says, "I've been getting a lot of practice lately. Helps because the size makes it easier to feel confident when I'm going to use it."  So just... be prepared for some weird sexualisation of Tidus.

3. Breast jokes. Tidus makes a lot of cutesy comments about Yuna's change in appearance. He also states that if they get discovered by inhabitants of the island, he'll have to work overtime to protect her because of what she's wearing. He also says that if they have to fight, that she'll have to cover herself up because he'll find it too difficult to concentrate when he's looking at "an amazing body." He also tells her he's masturbated to her before. I'm not sure if that word is censored or not... you'll figure out what I mean.

4. Tidus' death. This is true. Tidus dies in this novel in a very violently described way. His head is blown off by a bomb. There's not much that people don't already know about this, so moving along.

5. Necrophelia. While Yuna doesn't actually go through with this technique, she does consider it. She recalls the stories of Yunalesca and considers that it may be the only way. However, she is referring to having sex with Tidus' resurrected self (whom she summons back to life AFTER he gets his head blown off). He is still technically dead after this. She wasn't considering actually having sex with a corpse, because there isn't one. However, due to Tidus' behaviour, she feels too uncomfortable around him.

6. Broken romance. Now, what I would like to point out is that Tidus is NOT Tidus by the end of this novel. His behaviour is very bizarre. That is the entire reason why Yuna falls out of love with him by the time "-Will-" begins. They don't just have a "argument and break-up." Yuna is still in deep love with Tidus which is why it's  so hard for her because she finds he's changed too much once she brings him back. They'll most likely fall back in love by the time X-3 is released, because I only view this as something that's challenging their relationship, not a permanent conclusion to it. The reason for Tidus' changed self is because the memories that were used to summon him back to life were tainted.

ANYWAY!

Have my translation up soon. Just... seriously... don't read it if you don't like any of those things. 

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« Reply #297 on: March 27, 2014, 04:43:30 pm »
1: Oh... well, that doesn't seem so bad. At least it saves Tidus' credibility as a... well, likeable character for a little while longer.

2: Oh, for the love of... -facedesk- This just wrote a whole new level in the WTF genre. It feels so dirty and wrong. This is coming from a fangirl, mind you.

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He also tells her he's ****ed to her before

Umm... uh... err... um, UHHHH...

4: I already laughed/cried at this, so no fresh comments here.

5: So would that be considered the 'good' kind of necrophilia? (Making love to a ghost/unsent as opposed to a corpse.) Even so, that's still kinda creepy.

6: Whoa, so it wasn't a generalised event said by the summary? His attitude actually completely changes? That's... actually kinda interesting, if not a bit heartbreaking, sure. Hopefully you can translate some of his 'bizarre' dialogue. (But if it's anything sexual, then... oh dear.)

The thing I'm most concerned about is Tidus' complete 180 turn in personality by the time they land on the island. Seriously. In the first chapter, he seems relatively in-character. Actually, he's probably one of the only few whose personalities hasn't been angst-ified at that point. But then, once they crash, he's just... d-uh... Maybe it could be the fact that he's stranded on an island that's driving him insane, or the adrenaline of coming back from the dead is finally kicking in now that he has Yuna with him. But... damn. And people said X-2's characters were OOC.
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« Reply #298 on: March 27, 2014, 05:52:54 pm »
So the horrible hidden beast has been revealed.


What do you guys think about that?

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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #299 on: March 27, 2014, 06:01:02 pm »
It's nice to hear about the boat thing not being as effed up as before but everything else is still incredibly devastating. In fact, I think I'm even more upset now. I can't comment in detail at the moment but I will. (and Crystal, Imma totally get back to ya soon ^_^)

All I can say right now is tainted ****ing memories, for real? So Tidus is not only physically ****ed but mentally screwed as well, plus, ya know, DEAD. Jesus, does anyone at Square actually like Tidus, 'cause it's kind of ****ing hard to tell. He may as well be a goddamn nameless victim from Resident evil. How many rounds can we sink into zombie Tidus?

God, Tidus is a ****ing zombie, I don't want him to be a zombie. Why is he a zombie!? *cries* *burns novel*
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