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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #390 on: November 25, 2014, 04:09:33 pm »
For your information, Briah (Bria in my novel) is named Valm in the past. It is a pseudo and I will tell you later its origin.

I would also like your personal opinion on the novel's story.

-> The novel is very good, I am serious. The history with Kushu, Ifarnal and Valm (Kush and Ifanahl in my novel) is just wonderful... but very sad. Lot of blood too... There is just one moment in the novella where I didn't really understand why Tidus and Yuna were away from each other. The final act is very sad too, but it is a happy moment too in some way and it will surprise you I think :) I really don't understand why the novel was criticized so much.
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« Reply #391 on: November 25, 2014, 04:20:05 pm »
It was probably because a lot of vital information that would counteract the controversial stuff was missing from the translations. They mostly focused on Headless Tidus, their break-up and how many inches Tidus' Caladbolg was. Because they're the most shocking bits.

That being said, if there's a valid and understandable explanation for everything as well as some good stuff, I might redact my deep hatred for the novel. Hmm, but all those negative Japanese reviews has to say something, right?

Also that 'surprise' at the end... Could it be that my theory of 're-revived Tidus is actually the reincarnation of Briah/Valm' is true?
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« Reply #392 on: November 25, 2014, 04:38:14 pm »
Hmm, but all those negative Japanese reviews has to say something, right?

Well, maybe Tidus' death ? But when I will tell you the origin of the bomb... poor Tidus :-X

Also that 'surprise' at the end... Could it be that my theory of 're-revived Tidus is actually the reincarnation of Briah/Valm' is true?

No, no, no. I said surprise because you can't think of it just like that.

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« Reply #393 on: November 26, 2014, 12:37:56 am »
I'm glad to hear you didn't hate it. That makes me feel a little more optimisitic about it. But, while I am interested and keeping an open-mind, I still really don't think I will like or ever accept the novel as canon. xD

Because to me, while many of the details that bothered other people (the conflicts between Tidus and Yuna, for example) don't bother me that much, there is just no way I can conceive to justify killing off the main character in your series in such a off-handed way like the bomb. It feels... almost disrespectful, in a way, you know? Like, would they ever do that to Cloud or Lightning? Never. Not in a million years. But they'd do it to Tidus. And I'm just like... why? xD It feels gratuitous and not to mention, pointless and stupid, considering he was only just revived and if you want to use some kind of "his revival from death effected him" plotline, you could EASILY do it by using the end of X-2, what with the fact his existence was already shaky (dream? real? not even he knows), instead of killing him with a bomb mere days after reviving him... or is it more like hours? Also, this novel seems to disregard not only the perfect ending cutscene but Last Mission. So... yea... I'm still very skeptical, as much as your words give me a little hope.

[ deep breathe ] BUT ENOUGH OF MY RANTING. No more speculating without the whole facts. xD I'm hoping very much that when the French translation comes out, someone will then translate it fully to English!
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« Reply #394 on: November 26, 2014, 03:56:11 am »
It is true it is not a cool way to die. BUT if you know the entire novel, you will find it is a muddled... murder ? I suspect someone to have killed Tidus and you will know later why. But I may be wrong. The origin of the bomb will affect you in some way too.

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« Reply #395 on: November 26, 2014, 04:38:10 am »
Hello all,

ChercheurObscur, you're not the only french :) I just finished the novel to review it for my website, if any other questions, please don't hesitate guys ! :)

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« Reply #396 on: November 26, 2014, 04:49:05 am »
The fact is just that I don't want important informations to spread everywhere until the 4th because it could affect the sales of the novel (and so the sales of Lumen Editions). If you don"t mind this point feel free to give them informations. I just respect a decision  :)

Of course, I would be very happy to work with you and share information together, but after the 4th  :)
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« Reply #397 on: November 26, 2014, 05:01:45 am »
I didn't tought about precise informations about scenario, but global opinion about the story, my feeling about it, explanations on specific points ;)

I respect Lumen as you do ;)
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« Reply #398 on: November 26, 2014, 05:08:16 am »
Arf you just post before my modification !  :D I didn't want to warn you, don't worry !  ;D

Yeah,
I didn't tought about precise informations about scenario, but global opinion about the story, my feeling about it, explanations on specific points ;)

I respect Lumen as you do ;)

You are the good guy.  :P

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« Reply #399 on: November 26, 2014, 05:28:43 am »
Ah ah ok ! :)

To work together, check your PM's :)

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« Reply #400 on: November 26, 2014, 07:27:08 am »
To CrystalOfLies :

With reference to your question about the conversations between Ifarnal and Yuna, and Kushu and Tidus, I will provide you a translation. Know that Tidus did not meet Kushu just after his death. It is only valid for Ifarnal and Yuna.

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« Reply #401 on: November 26, 2014, 08:00:51 am »
To kk :

I must say that I don't know where FFX-2 Last Mission can be placed in the timeline. Between X-2.5 and FFX - Will - seems to be the best place, but not perfect for scenaristic integration, for me. Don't know if there is the "official" timeline ...

I think I'll do Last Mission one more time, to have the scenario in mind ;)
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« Reply #402 on: November 26, 2014, 11:03:57 am »
@ Gamersflag.com:

Last Mission takes place 3 months afters X-2! So, it would indeed be happening sometime between X-2.5 and Will. ^^

But the English remastered version is a bit different from the original Japanese. It's the Japanese version of Last Mission I refer to, personally, because the English one is actually not fully translated. They only translated parts of it for the Remaster. :((

Anyway, it sounds to me that X-2.5 and Will do not really support the feeling that is given to us in Last Mission?? For example, in Last Mission, which takes place 3 months after X-2, Yuna makes it clear she is very very happy with Tidus. However, the novel and the audio drama tell a different story. (But, the audio drama is sort of understandable because it does take place 9 months AFTER Last Mission so a lot could have changed!) But I guess I have to wait and see what the novel is really like in order to be sure! We shall see, hehe...

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« Reply #403 on: November 26, 2014, 02:44:09 pm »
@kk
So, this is the correct place for Last Mission but ... developers just didn't anticipate the novel and Will. Just that, I think ... :)

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« Reply #404 on: November 26, 2014, 03:23:09 pm »
But see, that's just it. What kind of writer comes in, 10 years later after the fact, and adds in things that disrupt canon? It's extremely lazy writing and I feel, a huge disservice to the fans??? For those of us who are huge fans, we have been operating on assumptions that come from the canon endings of X-2. And then this novel and audio drama completely disregard those endings, throw them away, and even ignore certain canon facts???

Like, for example, the audio drama says the last shoopuf was at the Moonflow and it went extinct. But.... in Final Fantasy X-2, we see several shoopufs. Clearly, there was more than one shoopuf, and the writers of the audio drama just... ignore that fact. So, what they said in the audio drama is blatantly untrue. It's just little things like that that bother me. Because it feels like they were too lazy to give us an ending that actually made sense with canon. There are fanfiction writers who pay more attention to maintaining canon then the writers of the novel and audio drama did... and that's sad. This is a hobby for us, not our job. We shouldn't know more about the game than you! So, it makes me sad because it makes me feel like they just didn't care enough... in that case, why did they make it then?

Oh, right, because it was a desperate money ploy. A way of testing the waters for a X-3... which they then decided not to make because reviews for the novel and audio drama were so poor. Sooooo, now, we, the fans, are stuck with the last canon thing we know about FFX being that Sin has returned. And that's a ridiculous way to end a beloved series. And it's all because their attempts to squeeze money out of us for X-3 backfired because they chose not to take the time to write an actual good story, therefore no-one wants to buy a follow up game for a crappy story. >.< The whole situation just makes me mad :c It feels like we fans got royally shafted because of their storytelling incompetence... we're left with this incomplete (and frankly, not very good) plotline as the final chapter of our favorite character's story. And that's... so unfair.
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