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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
« Reply #375 on: October 23, 2014, 10:43:10 am »
Wooh someone post information in a "bull-s-h-i-t" way, on a new thread on neogaf (dealing with the novella), and everyone follows this thing. What a bunch of morons !  >:(
"Morons" is a bit harsh. Yes, some may have posted the odd bit of misinformation, but let's be honest, the mistranslations have spread thick and fast over the Internet; it's easy for people to be mislead about exactly what's written in the novella. Truthfully, though, most things mentioned by people aren't actually that far from what is written anyway - it's still generally accepted by both those who know the full facts and those who have been slightly mislead that the content is absurd. So it doesn't matter too much about inconsistent translations. Does it matter whether Tidus didn't or did kick what looked like a blitzball? Not really. The writing is still atrocious.

Anyway, hi to all, and thanks for this topic and the translations gone into this so far. Had lurked the thread a few months back, and just popped back here after the novella French translation announcement. I've been maddeningly appauled at this novel and the audio drama. The story of FFX is being butchered, and I am shocked at Nojima and for SE allowing this to become canon. I've lost a huge amount of respect for them over this.

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« Reply #376 on: October 23, 2014, 10:57:59 am »
Same here. I was one of those people who thought that SE wasn't really all that bad, and that they were actually getting better back in 2013. They have a new president, they're localising Type-0 and the upcoming XV looks incredibly promising. I didn't really have a strong opinion on the XIII saga altogether, and I was wondering why seemingly everyone was treating SE like it had killed their families and gave them amnesia shortly afterwards.

Needless to say, after watching in all five stages of grief of how my two favourite entries in the FF series were getting torn apart; watching the characters and the story I knew and loved just become mere shells of themselves, and seemingly without care or passion, I kind of understand where that hatred is coming from now. I still consider SE one of the better companies when it comes to listening to feedback and such, but this just tainted my views on them and, shamefully, I wonder if Nojima is stable or capable enough to write any more stories. Guy needs to retire before his experiments sends Spira into madness.
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« Reply #377 on: October 23, 2014, 01:37:52 pm »
"Two new characters
Aurons Daughter
Cuckold Yuna
Tidus gets killed by kicking a Bomb Monster (cause he thought that it was a Blitzball)
Loses his head, Yuna faints, Yuna resurects him
Yuna says she doesnt love him anymore surely you jest
New guy wants Yunas p-u-s-s-y
Sin is back surely you jest
Yuna wants to fight him

The end"

He said, but it is the reactions that sadden me...

The fact is I don't understand why people think like that. I mean, Tidus and Yuna are 17-20 years old, they are young so why is it bad to see them flirting with each other for example ? Why is the dead of Tidus a terrible thing ? People only think of that and don't ask themselves who throws the ball and the reason behind this...

Here are examples among so many others... and I don't like selective or hung-up people.

Furthermore, at least 99,9999999% of them did not read the novella and don't - want to - know that there are other things described.

Of course, I can't say if the novella is good or not but people should try to think more consciously because I just see influenced people.

Finally, I will receive the novella in November (between the 15th and the 30th) ! Yeah !  ;)

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« Reply #378 on: October 23, 2014, 02:24:47 pm »
That's fine - if you like a lot of the things in the novella and want to read it fully, great.

Fact is, many people think a heck of a lot of the stuff mentioned in there is perverted, completely unlike anything in the game's storyline previously, and that it pretty much butchers and ****s over the original plot and characters (not just taking about the sexual stuff, here; Sin and other dead people coming back, and the manner in which Tidus is killed, as well as killing him at all, is a joke). If you think differently, I have no problem with that. I, however, think the majority of the stuff highlighted by most people is with very good reason, and that those who think it's disgusting writing are correct, considering this does not suit the themes and settings of the original game at all.

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« Reply #379 on: October 23, 2014, 03:01:43 pm »
If it is really bad, I won't deny it, of course. But I really want people to read the novella by themselves.

I think there is a sizeable difference between a game and a novella too. There's only words in a novella, no picture, no voice, so Nojima may have written in a more intensive way and that's why we have more agressive talkings, events and descriptions, and that may be why Square Enix allowed him to publish it.

Personnally, I appreciate his engagement in this way.

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« Reply #380 on: October 23, 2014, 03:12:19 pm »
You can write a book that doesn't consist of smut, and brutal killings and personality changes of main characters, and so casually reviving the enemies us players spent hours of investment in defeating.

Books are fine to expand a story. The content in this one is appauling.

I've read the ratings and thoughts of many Japanese fans who've read it, and they think they same thing.

As a fan of FFX, I don't appreciate this at all. I wish I knew what on earth Nojima and SE were thinking, and I am not setting my hopes high for FF15 in the slightest now.

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« Reply #381 on: October 23, 2014, 04:38:58 pm »
You can write a book that doesn't consist of smut, and brutal killings and personality changes of main characters, and so casually reviving the enemies us players spent hours of investment in defeating.

What a stupid statement... you are like everyone, a hung-up person, with the will to dictate the history of people... (else you wouldn't say such things)

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« Reply #382 on: October 23, 2014, 04:48:56 pm »
Eesh. I'm saying the tone does not fit what we have come to associate with the themes of FFX in the slightest. This is a huge unnecessary shift in tone.

Forgive me for loving Tidus and other characters' original personalities, and for hating seeing them change to questionable standards in this novella. Forgive me for thinking blowing Tidus up and having his head fly across Yuna's eyes is not a sickeningly needless way to kill the main character of the series. Forgive me for thinking it is a slap in the face to have Sin return after spending an entire game and what is essentially a thousand-year journey for the people of Spira in trying to defeat it. Forgive me for thinking the sudden countless mentions of sex and adding this sex-fayth method is completely out of tone and simply not needed.

I respect your opinion of the novel, but surely you can understand why people think this level of storytelling does not fit in the FFX narrative we've come to expect. Your last comment there is odd and hardly adds to the discussion. I have no problems with sex and gore, but only where it fits. This is a huge shift. It simply does not fit with FFX, or almost any FF narrative, for that matter.
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« Reply #383 on: October 23, 2014, 05:11:06 pm »
I can understand you don't like it, but saying it should not be related with a game like FFX is wrong. Only Square Enix can decide this point. The story is owned by Nojima (or Square Enix, choose one), it is not yours.

To sum up, you can say "I don't like it" but you can't say "It is bad". I just mean that.

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« Reply #384 on: October 23, 2014, 05:42:22 pm »
Odd thing to say. It is not wrong to have an opinion. In my opinion, this novel is bad, and should not have been made.

Square Enix can and will do whatever it wants, but I am entitled to say whether I think it's the wrong decision or if it is bad.

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« Reply #385 on: October 23, 2014, 06:20:57 pm »
Well, it's just that you didn't say it before as you did now. It was :

It simply does not fit with FFX, or almost any FF narrative, for that matter.

It's as if this statement was the right one and nothing else can be said.

I just want people to precise their opinion so...

In my opinion, this novel is bad, and should not have been made.

-> I'm Ok.

Square Enix can and will do whatever it wants, but I am entitled to say whether I think it's the wrong decision or if it is bad.

-> Just NO... because it supposes you are the only one who chooses whether or not this novella is good or bad, as if you represented everyone.

My goal is not to critizise you, but I just want everyone to express their opinion the right way... Don't think badly of me, I don't think badly of you.

Anyway, good night.

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« Reply #386 on: October 23, 2014, 06:25:03 pm »
People shouldn't need to put "In my opinion..." onto every single post they make when expressing their thoughts on something. It should be clear when one is expressing an opinion and stating fact. Obviously me saying "It is bad" is not fact, but my opinion. If people want to debate my thoughts on something, they're more than welcome to, but in no way when expressing my personal opinion am I trying to speak for everyone - of course not. I've already stated I respect your views on the book based on what you know about it.

Good night.
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« Reply #387 on: November 25, 2014, 12:17:44 pm »
Hey guys ! I just finished the novella !

Just to clarify, I won't be able to give you "important" informations until the 4th. It is a personnal matter between me, the one who provided me the novella, and the editor, so don't ask more about it please.

However, I will answer the questions from CrystalOfLies (light answers) :

What I want to know about the most is Tidus' 'bizarre' behaviour after his revival. What kind of dialogue he has and what he does that warrants Yuna to break away from him.

-> At the beginning Tidus feels isolated, he can't see Yuna (the elders...) and histories from Rikku just get him angry. There are others things but I can't go further for the moment, it is too complex and enters in the section "important".

Also we definitely need confirmation on Tidus' sudden perverted behaviour: that's probably the most controversial part. Especially the part where he pretty much admitted that he, uh... polished his Caladbolg to her at one point if you know what I mean.

-> The "famous Caladbolg" is not mentioned in the novella, just some dreams from the one who said this to you. For the perverted behaviour, I will say more later, but he's not a sexual machine, it is very exagerated by some people I don't know, so don't worry ;)

(The translation of the bathing suit scene from Kamina seems wrong at the end... I asked the editor for this point)

Some more information on Ifernal and Kushu would be appreciated as well.

-> Can't say a lot of things now because they are very important, just know that they were two summoners secluded in Besaid (1000 years ago)

I'd also like to see confirmation if he really does contemplate murdering Besaid's village elders. That's just plain creepy and not like Tidus at all.

-> There is no such thing in the novella. The elders just p-i-s-s him off for keeping Yuna away from him at the beginning.


If you have important questions, just write them now, I will prepare the answers for the 4th ;)
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« Reply #388 on: November 25, 2014, 03:34:41 pm »
So excited to hear more from someone who actually got to read the novel!!!! Thanks ChercheurObscur! Will be looking forward to your insights :D

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« Reply #389 on: November 25, 2014, 03:44:37 pm »
Of course! Thank you so much for doing this for us. It's nice to see that Tidus isn't as much of a testosterone-packer as was depicted, in fact I think it was pretty funny that he pointed out Yuna's half-nakedness as a state of fact rather than try to flirt. I could see him doing that.

Here are my main questions for the fourth:

Tidus' behaviour on Besaid in general. Does he feel out-of-character? Are there any more moments where we are supposed to feel sympathy for him? Do any of the other characters act weird towards him?
Does Tidus actually lose his talent for blitzball?
I would like some confirmation on this scene: do Tidus and Yuna do the sexy times on the ship before the storm or after they find out about the storm?
I heard tell that there's a sex scene between Kushu and Briah, funnily enough right before they find out about the blitzball mines. Is this true?
Apparently after Tidus' death, Ifernal's spirit meets Yuna and Kushu's spirit meets Tidus. Some full details on what transpired between the two pairs would be appreciated, especially the part where Yuna's past memories and emotions are seemingly locked away.
Definitely some details on Tidus' behaviour after his second revival. How does he act towards Yuna and the world, and what about him makes Yuna snap and break away from him?

I would also like your personal opinion on the novel's story, as well as some page scans if you're able to do that. I might have more questions but at the moment I'm just so overwhelmed.

Also, it's been announced that Square Enix will reveal a new console RPG in December. Could... could this be the FFX-3 we've all been waiting for?
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