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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2014, 12:32:19 pm »
I just feel that Nojima went overboard. I mean, in the X-2 ending, her and Tidus go running down the beach hand in hand, and she says she's gonna tell him her story, and she's so enthusiastic to be with him...... and then, what happens? The old Yevon ladies swoop in and carry her away on their backs? She never tells him her story like she says: everyone else tells him. It just seems weird to go from Tidus and Yuna running to the beach together to see all of their friends, and... then, suddenly, Yuna doesn't speak to any of her friends for the entire day.

I agree with you about this point ( I mean Yuna tells him she has experienced a lot of things and Tidus tells her he wants to know everything, and after...  :P )
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« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2014, 08:52:14 pm »
Yeah, personally, I'm trying to wait to see what else develops before judging Yuna's change of character. I'm definitely wary. Yes, it makes sense for Yuna to care about the elders a lot. For one, they're villagers, and I think she cares about the entire village of Besaid as if they were family, really. So it would be hard for her to just be like "OKAY  THAT'S ENOUGH, OLD PEOPLE, SHUT UP NOW", haha. That's just not how she is. xD And two, she probably feels guilty about the fact that she caused so many of them emotional turmoil by overthrowing Yevon, basically. It was very hard for HER to accept Yevon's lies and betrayal, so she understands that they may need a little extra help.

But this novel takes place right after a game where Yuna embraces her own self and begins to think for herself and care about her own happiness, instead of just pleasing others. That's like, the entire point of X-2. So for Nojima to take it to the extreme that she is SO devoutly worried about these villagers that she is willing to more or less completely ignore Tidus and ignore her own wants... it looks weird.

I just feel that Nojima went overboard. I mean, in the X-2 ending, her and Tidus go running down the beach hand in hand, and she says she's gonna tell him her story, and she's so enthusiastic to be with him...... and then, what happens? The old Yevon ladies swoop in and carry her away on their backs? She never tells him her story like she says: everyone else tells him. It just seems weird to go from Tidus and Yuna running to the beach together to see all of their friends, and... then, suddenly, Yuna doesn't speak to any of her friends for the entire day. And considering the villagers in X-2 clearly recognized Yuna, but never once acted this insanely possessive towards her during her return to Besaid, nor did Yuna ever act this insanely coddling to them in that entire game... this whole thing just seems quite bizarre and over the top. It's very out of line with X-2. It's like it almost completely disregards the events of X-2. If it had went on for a few hours? Sure. But... hasn't it been like an entire day? Tidus sleeps like 3 whole times before he even gets to speak a word to the girl who just fought tooth and nail to get him back, haha

But since apparently she's soon going to stop pandering to the Yevoners and run away in the night soon, I guess it's alright... I just still think it's weird, especially combined with rumors of behavior we hear about later in the book, BUUUUUT I'm not going to judge it harshly until I see what exactly she does in the rest of the book! He could have probably just toned the first two chapters down a notch, is all. Maybe it didn't need to go on soooo long, making it look like Tidus is really lonely and practically shunned by the rest of the characters. Because that's really how it sounds and it's just a strange way to start the novel...  ???

Lulu's and Rikku's oddities are annoying, but since the book isn't centered around them, I can forgive it if they redeem Yuna. xD

Quoted for EMPHASIS! Right!? That's what I'm sayin'. In X-2 you visit Besaid MULTIPLE times and not once does the village get in her business. You even celebrate the birth of Lu's baby and everything, there are a variety of missions that take place on Besaid - and there was nary a single psychotic Yevon-obsessed elder trying to monopolize Yuna's time. In fact, the people of the village were sporting a chill attitude about everything, it was nice. It did not feel stuffy at all, and the confrontation with Beclem showed that if anything, the village was trying to move away from vestiges of Yevon.

The only people latching on for dear life were in Bevelle. While Besaid remained largely neutral during the New Yevon/Youth League conflict, many people from Besaid had sided with the Youth League - including the Aurochs. In general, it seemed as though people were looking towards new horizons, not the past. The time of Sin was over and people no longer sought out summoners for guidance like they did before. (Until just now, when they decided to resurrect Sin, but let's not even go there. >_>)

This sh*t came WAY out of left field, it doesn't make any sense with the established canon. It's like Nojima re-wrote the history of the game, that is not alright.

And also, it's not like Besaid knew about their impending doom with the whole Shuyin/Vegnagun thing. All of that was kept low key. Besaid had no idea Yuna and co just saved the world again, what would explain their massive flocking to see her and crowd her personal space? She'd been to Besaid often since she left, it doesn't make sense for them to act so brand new.

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« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2014, 09:57:38 pm »
I wonder why you think like that. Tidus is back, ok, but the villagers came in the cove because of Yuna's return, not for Tidus, they didn't know about it. Furthermore, you seem to forget that Tidus is almost an unknown for everyone. He spent only one day on Besaid in FFX ! And at the end, he disappears before the great meeting in Luca stadium. He is a complete unknown in Spira, except for some people. You can't blame people to ignore him.

Yuna or someone else could have told people about him, ok, but it's not as if they were rejecting him.
Yuna could have spent some time with Tidus before meeting the elders, ok, but is it tragedy ? No, everything was planned by Nojima : I said that they will argue about her future (so her behavior is involded in their conversation) in a previous post, but it appears that you didn't read it... This moment is very instructive.

So please, stop being scandalmonder sometimes. If you don't like the case of Yuna and Tidus (I am not talking about the others), ok, it's your choice, but please don't say the novel itself is bad about this point, you can't blame Nojima about it. :-\ The most funny here is that, starting from Chapter 5, they will spend ther time "together" until the end of the novel.

 

To be honest, I don't know how to accurately address the villagers coming to the cove - it's a little ambiguous. As I mentioned in my previous comment, they didn't know about Vegnagun, and previous drama in the temple had been abated already. Yuna and co had been to Besaid and fixed the problems, such as the fiends pouring from the temple and Dark Valefor - the last trip to Besaid ended on a peaceful note. These people were not so hyped to see Yuna before, even upon her first return. Lulu was a bit concerned that she left without saying anything, but that was it.

So it really doesn't make sense for the whole village to have come just to see Yuna, I thought it was implied that they were excited to see Yuna and Tidus reunited once again - which was by any account - a miracle. Realistically, I don't know how the hell those people got to the beach so quickly, or how they could have known - chalk it up to video game magic, but it seemed clear that at least some of them recognized Tidus or could tell something important and special was happening.

In any case, the atmosphere from X-2 was colossally different from what we are presented with here. It really appears as if Nojima forgot or blatantly ignored many things from X-2, both major and minor. And X-2 was a game that was all about the the little stuff, it's why the character development worked so well. Nojima didn't make the most out of the post-Sin Spira that was established.

As far as Tidus not being known, I think that's up for debate. You're absolutely right, he wasn't in Besaid for long, in terms of the main pilgrimage. But if you recall, you have the option of traveling Spira some more before facing Sin. You can actually go back through the world and have new conversations with people you met in the beginning, like the scene that's triggered with Clasko by boarding the S.S. Liki - which you have to visit Besaid to get to. My point is it can be argued that Tidus came to know and familiarize himself with the people of Besaid beyond his initial dumping into Spira.

But if that's too far-fetched or not canonical enough, there's the fact that legendary guardians are treated like royalty in FFX. Auron was granted massive respect and was regarded as something of hero from a fairy tale. Tidus was not only a legendary guardian, he actually helped defeat Sin for good, which is something no one beyond Yuna's party can boast of.

He should actually be considered a historical figure, and Besaid should know about him, regardless off whether they do or not. It's a tradition for people to memorialize the dead to great effect, and Yuna even said herself that they must never forget the lives that were lost or the "dreams that have faded." It's possible Yuna wanted to possessively hold his presence close to her by not telling anyone, that it may have been difficult. But now that he's back, what's her excuse for not sharing his importance?

Tidus seemed upset that he wasn't getting any respect in Besaid - and he was damn right. People keep telling me Nojima must have had all kinds of noble reasons for what he wrote, both in he novel and the audio drama. But the more that is revealed, the more it feels like there really is no real meaning behind any of it. He just wanted drama and controversy. He wanted to dispel the light theme of FFX-2 and replace it with angst, misery and darkness. Most fans didn't want that, and the backlash is the result.

I remember thinking, okay, there must be a reason behind Yuna's tragic behavior in the drama, and that Sin is probably not the real antagonist - but, yeah, I've lost the desire to make sense out of it. Nojima regressed the crap out of these characters, they are all exhibiting their worst flaws and not much else. What is the legitimate excuse for that?

As far as them arguing about their future goes, it's difficult to absorb any potential dialogue between them because the initial feeling has been so bad. If this book were a video game, I wouldn't have kept playing. I'm not eager to see what unfurls because it started off on the worst possible note it could have played. The Yuna/Tidus dynamic was a special one and Nojima really messed it up for me. I don't see how it can be redeemed, to tell the truth, and I'll likely feel alienated by everything that follows between Tidus and Yuna - especially an argument, that shouldn't even be on the table right now. There's no reason why Yuna should feel obligated to play some role immediately, she's supposed to be starting her new story independent from the desires of others, and Tidus just came back.

The atmosphere should be loving, playful, not full of contempt and arguments, dear God. Angst and petty squabbles do not interest me here. Their relationship has barely had a chance to get off the runway and Nojima decides to throw an argument in for fun - it feels so fake. Arguments are a natural part of any relationship, but even in X, it's clear that that drama didn't play a role in their bond.

One of the big rumors about the book was that Yuna appeared to be "tired" of him, that she thought he was being too childish. If that is true, it's all the more sickening. So far, I really don't like Yuna. She was ridiculous in the audio drama and she's ridiculous in the book - so far- and by most accounts and reviews I've seen of the thing. And what's more is that Tidus just takes it. He just accepts Yuna's bulls*hit. No, Tidus, no. Stand up for yourself, goddammit. >_>

What have I taken way from all this? Nojima should not be allowed to write anything by himself.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #78 on: December 22, 2014, 12:26:12 am »
-claps- Pyreflies, you never cease to amaze me with your speeches.

Let's look at this from Tidus' point of view some more. In X, he and his friends took down a centuries-old false religion that was masking the truth to defeating Sin. Throughout half of the game, the maesters have declared them traitors, they sent Dark Aeon assassins after them, pretty much told Yuna that her father's sacrifice was useless and one particularly crazy maester tried to kill, deceive and manipulate them multiple times. They are hypocrites (use machina), self-aware (Mika stops Seymour's sending because he is unsent too) and cowards (Mika runs away to the Farplane, leaving Yevon in shambles).

Come X-2, with the rise of New Yevon (and yes, Tidus knows this because Rikku told him, not Yuna. Yeah Yuna, how consistent is your narration in that game since you are telling Tidus everything that's happened!?). While not as evil as the original Yevon, their scheme was to find spheres pertaining to Spira's history and hide them deep underground, therefore pretty much wiping out the knowledge of Spira's past. They were under the belief that memories of the past were weaknesses and not part of someone's... well, soul. And with the defeat of Trema, that matter is resolved.

Here comes the return of Tidus, who sacrificed his life to both defy Yevon and put an end to Spira's curse once and for all. Now he sees that the Yevon lifestyle is slowly seeping back into Spira, and nobody is attempting to question or even joke around with the fact that it was one of the causes of Spira's near-downfall. Somehow he has been launched back to square one, where Yuna cares more about her and others' beliefs in Yevon than the man who was just washed up on shore, likely very lost and confused, not to mention very insecure. And even in X, she excused herself to introduce herself to him. No such thing here. Wow. Yuna has absolutely no respect or empathy for him, despite mourning and hoping he'll come back for two years. It reminds me of those horrible boy/girlfriends we've all had who will abuse or ignore you, but then cry and wail and threaten to kill themselves if you even bring up the idea of breaking up with them.

But yeah, Yevon's coming back, everyone knows it. And Tidus, once again, tries to stand up to the BS and call them out on it but once again, they laugh him off and sneer at him. Not even three years in and Spira is already repeating history! Maybe the fayth sent him back because they sensed that Spira was going to dig itself a booby-trapped volcanic hole again, lmao. No wonder he fled to Bevelle at the time of Will. He just had Besaid, his new home, turned into a nursing home for the poor, oppressed, totally innocent h*rdcore Yevon-supporters. Who would most likely kill him.

Heck, at the end of Chapter 2 we see Tidus in a situation where he is lonely, hungry, confused and sitting on a pontoon close to tears. Like a local stray dog that's being avoided by the townsfolk because it might have fleas. Meanwhile everyone else is having a jolly good time at the party. You know, the one where Tidus was forced to help set up and when he realised that everyone he knew and loved had shredded every last ounce of empathy for him? Nobody even notices that he's gone. They're all concerned with Yuna instead.

You told no lies. And can I just say, dear God, can they stop giving so much of a crap about Yuna!? F*** YUNA, lmao! They've been making everything far too Yuna-centric, while at the same time making her less likable - how does that work? All I can do is look at Yuna like this:


And it's not even just about Tidus, because FFX-2 was also about her personal journey. She came into herself more than ever before and seemed eager to start a new story for herself, but now here she is trying to please everyone like a noble acolyte. That crap got old two games ago, hon, let's move on. You don't have to be a martyr every second of your life.

But what you said about Besaid becoming a den for Yevonites and Tidus leaving - yas. That was one of the most glaring things about the audio drama. Tidus's ass is in Bevelle.... He is literally on another continent from Yuna, it sounds really bad. It certainly didn't seem like a temporary thing and Tidus appeared stressed even before Yuna broke up with him - or whatever that was that she did. Lord, it's pretty telling when you have to run away to Bevelle, a place where they all had some pretty crap experiences.

Look at that map, you see how far that is, L.O.L 



And you know, I still don't understand how we are supposed to interpret Yuna's narrative voice. I always thought she was talking to his "ghost" basically, but you've raised the point that she was actually talking to him about their journey after he's come back and the game is a flash back - the reason that doesn't make sense to me is because there were several instances when she would talk to him in present tense, saying she wished he was there with her and how she missed him, their moments, etc.

This was especially the case in the mission in Chapter 5 where you go to Luca and relive all the memories with the moogle apparition thing, and also when she visits the spring in Macalania. There's also the option of not bringing Tidus back, which would in effect negate the possibility of her talking to Tidus for "real". I just figured that her saying "it all started when I saw this sphere of you", was merely an inward refection and her not talking to Tidus for once - but perhaps you're right,  it's actually confused the mess out of me. :P

In either case, though, it's clear the continuity was lost. Doesn't add up either way you spin it. Either she was eager to talk to him beyond the grave, or she was eager to relate every morsel of their story to him - the Yuna from the novel/drama ain't echoing that shiz.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2014, 05:17:49 am »
And let me just offer a disclaimer here (I'll try not to ramble):

At one time I was extremely reverent of Square Enix and I praised the company to the Gods. They were consistent, they seemed to care about fans and created great franchises. And even if I don't love all FF titles I've played, I could find something to like about them and finished them anyway. (and hey, I've always loved Kingdom Hearts I/II)

But Final Fantasy X was actually my first JRPG, and I fell in love with it a good decade ago. While X-2 may have some iffy spots, it is also a great game and I basically consider them both to be one entity. After 10 years and many more games, FFX/X-2 is still hands down my favorite. I felt such an emotional connection to Tidus and Yuna as a couple, as soulmates.

The original lore and character development was perfect as is and I never would have thought for a moment, that Square would touch it. I didn't even think they'd realistically do anything else with this project, though I wanted them to. I was always up for a X-3, but I surely didn't think they'd butcher it in such a way. When I initially read about the contents of the novel and what happens to Tidus, I seriously balled my eyes out, I was devastated. And everything else was just salt on the wound. Square also was incredibly misleading about it all, the promotional material and teasers pointed in an entirely different direction. Square Enix slapped fans like me in the face, fans who are probably way too emotionally invested in a video game - but ha, that's alright

So while my posts may seem obnoxious intense at times, that's just my gut reaction. I can't help but make this all into a joke, because that's what it feels like. Square has basically said that they're not even going to continue with any of it - now that is the real punchline. But at least it gives me more justification in ignoring it, because they seem to be doing the same thing.

Why they are endorsing an additional translation of the novel that bombed? I have no idea. But really, thank you ChercheurObscur for translating it. Much love to you, and I do appreciate that you are willing to be open-minded about the book and how it relates to the original works. I just can't personally be that way, it's really hard for me, but I never intend to offend. ^_^
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« Reply #80 on: December 22, 2014, 06:52:00 am »
Well, you know, Square Enix didn't publish the novel in France, it is Lumen Editions (google it if you want). I wrote a good review about this novel and Square Enix read it.

About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...

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« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2014, 07:52:08 am »
About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...

...What?

Are you saying that since it's Tidus' POV here, he's distorting how people are acting through bias; or that his mere presence is altering people's personalities to back when they knew him on the pilgrimage?

Sorry, but I've had some crazy ideas and headcanons regarding Tidus before, and even this is making me scratch my head a bit.
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« Reply #82 on: December 22, 2014, 08:19:51 am »
About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...

...What?

Are you saying that since it's Tidus' POV here, he's distorting how people are acting through bias; or that his mere presence is altering people's personalities to back when they knew him on the pilgrimage?

Sorry, but I've had some crazy ideas and headcanons regarding Tidus before, and even this is making me scratch my head a bit.

Absolutely. My theory is not nonsensical and can explain a lot of things... but only Nojima can provide us the truth...

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« Reply #83 on: December 22, 2014, 02:01:09 pm »
Actually Chercheur, your theory could explain a lot away. I mean think about it. The theory about the Farplane presented in the game is that when the living look at an image of the dead, the living sees what they want to see, or rather how they think the dead would react. So with Tidus' current condition, why wouldn't his perception be off? We already know he's weak and not himself in the audio drama, so maybe his view of the world is like a reverse Farplane effect.

I'd personally love to see an X-3 but I'll be honest, I think Nojima's focusing too much on this soap opera drama between Tidus and Yuna at the expense of everything else. With the entire world of Spira rapidly developing and rebuilding, there's plenty of room for greater lore expansion, new enemies, new enemies disguised as old enemies (ha!), and political tensions because let's be real, in their current state, the people of Spira are very vunerable to having another oppressive government and/or religious group roll in. There's also the supposed connection between X/X-2 and VII thats groundwork can be layed.. You get the idea.

X-3 could be a nice blend of strengthening all of the old characters while maybe introducing a couple new ones. But unfortunately, all we have so far is regression of old characters, Tidus & Yuna: A Lifetime Original Drama, and a little turd named Chuami. I'll give props to the attempt at lore expansion and if Chercheur's crazy theory is correct, then there's still hope for the other characters.   ;D



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« Reply #84 on: December 23, 2014, 01:09:17 am »
Well, you know, Square Enix didn't publish the novel in France, it is Lumen Editions (google it if you want). I wrote a good review about this novel and Square Enix read it.

About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...


I did do a bit of digging and found about Lumen, and while Square didn't translate themselves, they at east gave Lumen the go ahead, because if there's one thing Square is serious about, it is their copyright. They will come for you if you try to make profit from their brand without their authorization, shut you down, ha ha.

I just think it's interesting, because, and someone correct me if I'm wrong - this is the first book that Square Enix has ever released that's been translated in a language besides Japanese. And of all the books they could have translated - like the Ultimania guides, they choose something most people did not like or want. XD

As far as your theory, dear Lord, how depressing that would be, Tidus gets very little dignity here. If Nojima really wrote a book about Tidus being "tainted", and negatively hallucinating the actions of everyone - what in the crap!? What a completely convoluted, annoying and unnecessary way to tell a story. That is actually and very unfortunately becoming the modus operandi of Square Enix. The more utterly ridiculous and complicated the story, the better - they really need to go back to their old form.

And well, the audio drama was mostly in the perspective of Chuami, who could plainly see Yuna acting unusual for herself. So I wouldn't say it adds up that everyone is being distorted by Tiida. The book doesn't appear to be in first-person either, which is the only way I could see the idea of distortions as a plausibility. I remember someone else saying there are a lot of perspective changes and that much of the novel is written in a Haiku format - confusing to be sure. But these opening chapters are definitely from an outside perspective looking in, so we should be experiencing the characters the way everyone else is - right?

I'm actually curious, is there at any point where we see either Tidus or Yuna's inward thoughts, in the way they delivered them in the games?




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« Reply #85 on: December 23, 2014, 01:07:24 pm »
I just think it's interesting, because, and someone correct me if I'm wrong - this is the first book that Square Enix has ever released that's been translated in a language besides Japanese. And of all the books they could have translated - like the Ultimania guides, they choose something most people did not like or want. XD

You are wrong wrong wrong.... First, Square Enix has never released a book outside Japan, not in France at least, don't try to say something which could mislead people. Then, Lumen has already released FFVII On the way to a smile, and FFXIII episode zero promise in France. I know that an other publisher has released some FF books in Germany too.

As far as your theory, dear Lord, how depressing that would be, Tidus gets very little dignity here. If Nojima really wrote a book about Tidus being "tainted", and negatively hallucinating the actions of everyone - what in the crap!? What a completely convoluted, annoying and unnecessary way to tell a story. That is actually and very unfortunately becoming the modus operandi of Square Enix. The more utterly ridiculous and complicated the story, the better - they really need to go back to their old form.

It's your opinion, not mine for sure.

And well, the audio drama was mostly in the perspective of Chuami, who could plainly see Yuna acting unusual for herself. So I wouldn't say it adds up that everyone is being distorted by Tiida. The book doesn't appear to be in first-person either, which is the only way I could see the idea of distortions as a plausibility. I remember someone else saying there are a lot of perspective changes and that much of the novel is written in a Haiku format - confusing to be sure. But these opening chapters are definitely from an outside perspective looking in, so we should be experiencing the characters the way everyone else is - right?

I don't know what Haiku is.

I'm actually curious, is there at any point where we see either Tidus or Yuna's inward thoughts, in the way they delivered them in the games?

There are some inward thoughts but too short compared with those in the games.
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« Reply #86 on: December 23, 2014, 10:38:56 pm »
I don't know about the XIII novels, but the VII novels got an official translation from Square, didn't they? I just know I got a copy of the novels in English when I bought the Advent Children movies. Pssh. Of course their beloved VII gets translated, but you guys have to do all the hard work of translating a X novel yourselves. Dang spoiled FFVII fans. They get it all! xD

It's a shame that they won't release the Ultimania's in English! I'd take those over a novel any day! So many interesting factoids.

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« Reply #87 on: December 24, 2014, 09:43:47 am »

You are wrong wrong wrong.... First, Square Enix has never released a book outside Japan, not in France at least, don't try to say something which could mislead people. Then, Lumen has already released FFVII On the way to a smile, and FFXIII episode zero promise in France. I know that an other publisher has released some FF books in Germany too.

I wasn't refuting what you were saying, my bad. I'm not trying to say that Square did the translations themselves or officially published it, just that they must have given the authorization for them to be translated by that company, I presume. That's what I mean by Square releasing it, without their approval there would be no published translations of any kind. So even though they didn't translate/publish it, they are still releasing it, in a sense. Almost like how they released this remaster, which they actually outsourced and didn't work on either. :p

I didn't know about those other things that were translated, though, interesting.

Oh, and Haiku is a traditional form of Japanese poetry that is very precise and specific about how lines are written. A certain amount of syllables must be used for each line. It seems like a rather restrictive/confusing way to write a novel, but I am no Haiku expert by any means.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #88 on: December 24, 2014, 09:48:51 am »
I don't know about the XIII novels, but the VII novels got an official translation from Square, didn't they? I just know I got a copy of the novels in English when I bought the Advent Children movies. Pssh. Of course their beloved VII gets translated, but you guys have to do all the hard work of translating a X novel yourselves. Dang spoiled FFVII fans. They get it all! xD

It's a shame that they won't release the Ultimania's in English! I'd take those over a novel any day! So many interesting factoids.

Well, it wouldn't surprise me if Square was willing to do extra stuff for FFVII because they are always being extra with that game. They stayed annoying me with all the FFVII spinoffs and things, damn. And fans are still talking about wanting a remake - no, let that thing die and move on.

And God, yes, I've always wanted the Ultimania guides in English. But we will see pigs fly and hell freeze over before that happens. T_T

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #89 on: January 04, 2015, 05:13:28 pm »
So ... is the translation of the novel still going or is it dead? I've been silently reading everything on these forums the past two days ... after all, this is the only place to get reliable information on the novel.