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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #195 on: May 30, 2015, 04:54:08 pm »
I don't mind, do as you want.  :)

I was just watching again some scenes in FFX-2 and I found something very interesting. It's about the final meeting between Shuyin and Lenne. I'd like you to remember their position because... well you'll see soon.  :P

Also, when did Lenne enter Yuna's body ? It could affect her traits, what do you think ? It's just an idea, don't take it too seriously.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #196 on: June 17, 2015, 02:50:58 pm »
Sorry everyone, I'm a bit busy at the moment.

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« Reply #197 on: June 17, 2015, 08:19:36 pm »
After much stress involving moving multiple times (and I still am! I'm starting to feel like a nomad) I'm back! :)

Yuna did seem a bit out of character. But, at the same time, she seemed scared - the island looked like Besaid, but everything about it seemed off: Tidus acting like nothing was wrong kind of put her off. It's a natural response when you are afraid of something and somebody else acts like it's not a big deal. It's not like when she was on her pilgrimage, when she knew her destiny and had to face it head-on, but something that was entirely out of her control: she was completely lost, stranded on an island that looked like Besaid, but at the same time didn't; didn't have the slightest bit of hope of finding a way to go back and her partner and former guardian acted like a child and sort of demeaned her by acting like it was no big deal. Anyone would act that way, I think.

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #198 on: July 10, 2015, 01:34:18 pm »
The next chapter will be released tomorrow (saturday).  :)
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #199 on: July 11, 2015, 04:12:10 am »
Actually, it seems like someone already translated the whole of the novel and put a plot summary on FFWiki: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2.5_~Eien_no_Daish%C5%8D~

To be honest, I'm not really interested in this novella any more; I think it's too convoluted. And I've all but given up hope that SE are going to follow up on this with a sequel.
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« Reply #200 on: July 11, 2015, 04:41:51 am »
Hello! Fanfic writer Danko Kaji here! It's nice to meet you all. :D

I just wanted to say I truly appreciate all these threads and discussions, but most of all your thorough translation of the novel. I would love to continue reading The Price of Eternity until the very end, regardless of its half-hearted and convoluting narrative, because I want to respect its canonical quality. Speaking of which, I wanted to ask if it's alright for me to conduct a Restoration Project (or complete rewrite) of the novel, giving you full credit as the main inspiring source of the whole translation. I don't know if it's just me or it's the writer in me who sees a challenge, but I see so much untapped potential in this that I want to jump in and explore/flesh it out completely.

Again, I really appreciate what you're doing here. I apologize for saying nothing before.
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« Reply #201 on: July 11, 2015, 05:20:18 am »
That would be nice! Actually, I was thinking of making a one-shot fanfiction of Tidus' narrative from Will, segregating into a potential scenario and set-up for X-3. It'll only be borrowing a few elements from X-2.5 though because frankly, I can't keep up and weave around all these weird plot points.

I think now that I'm proofreading the excerpts from the novella, I can see why those other translators chose not to go further: It's just so disheartening and a jarring transition from the feel-good nature of X-2's ending. I feel like Nojima somehow is doing too much for the source material, yet not staying true to it at the same time.

It's sad because FFX and X-2 were a big part of the stage when I was growing up. I loved the characters, their interactions and the unique world in which it was set, and it inspired me to create my own fantasy worlds. But reading this after having the uplifting ending of X-2 imprinted in my mind after all these years just feels strange and wrong. It feels like I've been had. Cheated out, even. And the audio drama didn't help.

And now there's apparently some sort of alternate reality-Spira, the characters are behaving oddly, among other things. 'Oh, but don't worry, they'll explain it all in X-3.' But... it's been a year and a half and no official news has come out about the matter in that time, apart from interviews. Just because there were interviews with a creative team who has little to no say in the company's business means that X-3 is confirmed. Just because the remaster came out on the PS4 doesn't mean X-3 is confirmed.

I just think Square realised their mistakes and just left the bonus material 'up to interpretation,' because sequel baiting a 12-year-old game pretty much just left FFX in an unresolved, head-scratching limbo.
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« Reply #202 on: July 11, 2015, 05:23:23 am »
Actually, it seems like someone already translated the whole of the novel and put a plot summary on FFWiki: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2.5_~Eien_no_Daish%C5%8D~

To be honest, I'm not really interested in this novella any more; I think it's too convoluted. And I've all but given up hope that SE are going to follow up on this with a sequel.

Actually, I have been aware of it for a long time, but since it's just a summary, it doesn't make explicit the conversations. That's why I dediced to carry on this translation. If you don't want to fix it anymore, I can ask someone else, like Danko Kaji for example.

Hello! Fanfic writer Danko Kaji here! It's nice to meet you all. :D

I just wanted to say I truly appreciate all these threads and discussions, but most of all your thorough translation of the novel. I would love to continue reading The Price of Eternity until the very end, regardless of its half-hearted and convoluting narrative, because I want to respect its canonical quality. Speaking of which, I wanted to ask if it's alright for me to conduct a Restoration Project (or complete rewrite) of the novel, giving you full credit as the main inspiring source of the whole translation. I don't know if it's just me or it's the writer in me who sees a challenge, but I see so much untapped potential in this that I want to jump in and explore/flesh it out completely.

Again, I really appreciate what you're doing here. I apologize for saying nothing before.

Thank you for your support ! I'll be delighted to let you rewrite the novel. Actually, I didn't except people to read a great translation. It's just sufficient for the understanding. Just be aware that Kush speaks in very polite way, so don't throw away the fact that she uses of the polite "vous". If you have an english equivalent, that's fine.

EDIT : Oh my mistake, you were thinking of writing a fanfic ?

Aside from that, I'm surprised that no one thinks Ifahnal has murdered Tidus. :)

EDIT 2 :
And now there's apparently some sort of alternate reality-Spira, the characters are behaving oddly, among other things. 'Oh, but don't worry, they'll explain it all in X-3.' But... it's been a year and a half and no official news has come out about the matter in that time, apart from interviews. Just because there were interviews with a creative team who has little to no say in the company's business means that X-3 is confirmed. Just because the remaster came out on the PS4 doesn't mean X-3 is confirmed.

You know, Shuyin controled directly people in FFX-2, so the fact that Tidus may control people's mind doesn't seem abnormal.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #203 on: July 11, 2015, 05:37:13 am »
Actually, I think it'd be more beneficial if Danko did the proofreading from now on. :P It would give them some time to think over how they should re-word the conversations in their rewrite.

I'll just leave the translation thread unlocked from now on, if that's okay with him/her.
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« Reply #204 on: July 11, 2015, 05:52:54 am »
But people could post comments in this thread. It would be better to give him/her rights, no ?

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« Reply #205 on: July 11, 2015, 05:55:13 am »
As much as I wish to jump into it straight away (I've done heavy ground work for Chapter 1 already, and a thorough outline for half the novel), I'll be leaving on a month-long trip to Bulgaria to visit my family. I don't doubt there will internet there, but considering it's my first time out of the country and everyone from my cousins to the entire neighborhood wants to meet me, I won't have any free time. But I can promise to finish Chapter 1 and present it to you before I leave in two weeks. Also, I don't plan to post the Restoration novel until I complete the entire thing.

I see. When it comes to the characters mannerisms, I won't hesitate to ask for clarification! :D

Oh, did Ifahnal really murder Tidus? It was either too vague for me to notice or I assumed it was one of those remnant Bedohls leftover from the War. Regardless of who exactly threw the bomb, I thought the inhabitant reacted like anyone would if someone intruded on their home/territory. Especially considering we look through such narrow filters, we immediately jump to the conclusion an outside force harbors some deep, personal plot against Tidus or Yuna. (By the way, which chapter reveals/hints that Ifahnal killed Tidus?)

Fanfic? Yeah. It's not like I can profit out of novelizing a novel. As a fanfic, I can not only revise and flesh out all the original source material, I can add additional (fanon) material loyal to canon continuity. Example: Baralai, Gippal, and Nooj's side of the same time span, such as agreeing to personal interviews with Shelinda after their speech, and the Crimson Trio traveling together and having heart-to-heart talks on their way back home. It'd fall within the same time span as the entire novel (which is less than a week, I believe, before the Perfect Ending six months later), and I want to weave in the Last Mission as well. I don't know. I've just got big plans for a FFX-3 fic, and I want to build up towards Will with an in-depth story.

I've seen a couple attempts at a FFX-3 story preceding -Will- and the novel, which are commendable and amazing, but I want to explore an entirely different angle than just the "epic deconstruction and restoration of Tidus/Yuna love story." I want FFX-3 to be about Spira, the state of the world, the issues and conflicts that are disrupting the natural order of the world. And I want to write that narrative through Baralai, the Chancellor of the Spiran Council, because he's the perfect position. If anything, the three main characters will be Yuna and Tidus, of course, and Baralai as the new entrant (with his mother, ex-Summoner/now Head Coordinator of the Senders, and his father, ex-Guardian, a Monk/Assassin character who's the main man of reconnaissance behind the Yevoner Hunters issue, as main OCs), and Chuami and Kurgum as main supporting. I have so many ideas, I've been plotting them out on paper and blog posts.

Link to my Tumblr post about the mechanics of pyreflies and my headcanon to the whole 'What is Tidus?' controversy. http://dankokaji.tumblr.com/post/122688875547/mekhack-dankokaji-lureofthesea

Oh, yeah. And I'm a woman. Not that I'm offended or anything, just felt like clarifying. XD

I'm alright with the unlocked thread. (Does that mean you temporarily locked it thinking there's no point in keeping open for the public?)
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« Reply #206 on: July 11, 2015, 05:58:27 am »
Hm... I'm not really sure how to mod someone on this website.

I suppose we could just encourage people to post their opinions elsewhere. I put a notice on the starting post in the translation thread. Anybody who posts on the thread will just have their comment deleted/moved.

WAIT. Wait-wait-wait, Denko. I recognise you from FF.Net. You're the person who writes all that BaralaixYuna stuff, aren't you? :P
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« Reply #207 on: July 11, 2015, 06:01:13 am »
As for the 'Tidus is warping people's behavior' concern, I believe in that possibility to a certain extent. Although I do believe Tidus's existence is quite turbulent, if not sensitive (less so than before he officially died), I don't think it's right to use it as an excuse why everyone's "acting strange" for our liking, let alone play it up for dramatic effect. Tidus may be incomplete, but he's a benevolent sentient being.

Oh, man, now I really want to type up my version of Chapter 1 to show how exactly I interpreted it. I guess you can say it's my way of justifying their behavior? Or my way of filling in the blanks using my imagination. Should I send Chapter 1 through private email or post it in its own thread?
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« Reply #208 on: July 11, 2015, 06:14:40 am »
Well, since Danko seems to be busy, I hope you can carry on with the translation COL !


Why do I assume Ifahnal murdered Tidus ? Well... if you remember something related to gunpowder, you may have you answer. I'm sorry, I don't want to say more for the moment because I plan to post an article about this on a website (a french one), and I don't want to spread the information yet.

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« Reply #209 on: July 11, 2015, 06:19:59 am »
That would be nice! Actually, I was thinking of making a one-shot fanfiction of Tidus' narrative from Will, segregating into a potential scenario and set-up for X-3. It'll only be borrowing a few elements from X-2.5 though because frankly, I can't keep up and weave around all these weird plot points.

Ooh, me, too! I want to write an entire, cohesive plot that encompasses all the separate canon stories (novel, Last Mission, -Will-), and perhaps call it 'The Eternal Cost Reborn In One Year' or something to that effect. We can feed off each other's headcanon and inspire our writing. :3

I think now that I'm proofreading the excerpts from the novella, I can see why those other translators chose not to go further: It's just so disheartening and a jarring transition from the feel-good nature of X-2's ending. I feel like Nojima somehow is doing too much for the source material, yet not staying true to it at the same time.

It's sad because FFX and X-2 were a big part of the stage when I was growing up. I loved the characters, their interactions and the unique world in which it was set, and it inspired me to create my own fantasy worlds. But reading this after having the uplifting ending of X-2 imprinted in my mind after all these years just feels strange and wrong. It feels like I've been had. Cheated out, even. And the audio drama didn't help.

Hmm, I suppose the reason why I'm not disheartened/disgusted/shocked by the novel's content because I never invested myself in the Good/Perfect Endings? And don't hate me when I say this, but I never placed the Tidus/Yuna pairing on a high pedestal either. I love Tidus, I really really do, I adore that little baby. He's the reason why I learned to naturally question the world around me growing up, questioning what's normal and what's not. And I passively like the Tidus/Yuna relationship; I respect it more than anything else. The Yuna I love in FFX-2 wouldn't have existed without Tidus. Unfortunately, my feelings for the pairing soured because of the fandom, but I still do like it.

However, what made the sequel such a brilliant story to me was Yuna's personal journey. I enjoyed watching her take initiative, wear her hair loose with her girlfriends, explore the world and reconnect with people. I love that. And when I earned the Normal Ending my first playthrough (with no knowledge of alternate endings whatsoever), I turned off the game with a happy note. But then the fairy-tale, feel-good, half-baked 'Tidus is back bc the Fayth finally decided to reward Yuna for saving the world a second time' endings pissed me off like nothing in the world. Okay, if you're going to bring Tidus back, at least do a good job of it. Even Nojima robbed me of that satisfaction. With the inclusion of the novel and audio drama, I'm intrigued, but I am left with wanting more.

So, yeah. Stuff like that motivates me to write fanfiction. To fill in the missing pieces with the help of what canon they were gracious enough to leave for us obsessive dedicated fans.

And now there's apparently some sort of alternate reality-Spira, the characters are behaving oddly, among other things. 'Oh, but don't worry, they'll explain it all in X-3.' But... it's been a year and a half and no official news has come out about the matter in that time, apart from interviews. Just because there were interviews with a creative team who has little to no say in the company's business means that X-3 is confirmed. Just because the remaster came out on the PS4 doesn't mean X-3 is confirmed.

I just think Square realised their mistakes and just left the bonus material 'up to interpretation,' because sequel baiting a 12-year-old game pretty much just left FFX in an unresolved, head-scratching limbo.

I don't know what to say about that. I've stopped caring what the businessmen/artists say. I've stopped waiting for more news.

I'm just eager to write my own story about it.
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