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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #90 on: January 05, 2015, 10:01:54 am »
We're taking a break because of Christmas holidays and the exams after that. We'll resume on the 19th.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #91 on: January 16, 2015, 07:16:48 am »
Hi guys, really late to the party, but I'd just like to thank you all for translating and making this accessible to us.

I've read whatever's up at the moment, and here are my two cents:

Lulu and Rikku's behaviors don't actually bother me that much. Lulu has never been a very warm and friendly person to begin with, and her insistence at Tidus going to help set up the party could be seen as her trying to assimilate Tidus back into Besaid. After all, imagine how the Besaid villagers must feel-- this guy who disappeared two years ago at the beginning of the Eternal Calm, presumed to be dead, suddenly appears alive at their beach, and he has some sort of relationship with their beloved High Summoner. I'd imagine that it would be likely that the villagers are wary of Tidus. I'd also consider how unfriendly they were towards Tidus at the beginning of FFX. Sure, not all the people on Besaid Island were unfriendly, but given that their traditional beliefs (I know, Besaid appeared to align itself with the Youth League in FFX2, but they were never all that political? The only visible representation of this is in Beclem, but even then it largely became more of a Blitzball training thing than real political alignment like the issue in Kilika) and how Tidus completely disregarded that during his brief stay in Besaid, their cautiousness around him seems likely.

Sorry, went off tangent there a little-- back to Lulu. I believe her comment regarding her marriage with Wakka was merely a joke of sorts; she does this a lot in the game as well. Rikku has also always had some sort of sibling rivalry behavior going on with Tidus, although we don't see it much. She's also very jumpy and restless. I don't think she was truly angry when she accused Tidus of not listening to her; based on her overall characterization I would say that's just how Rikku acts, which is seen throughout the course of FFX2.

The entire thing with the elders and Yuna does bother me a little, given that there didn't seem to be much of this issue throughout the entire course of FFX, X-2 and the Eternal Calm cutscenes. The only examples I can think of are perhaps the marriage proposal brought up by Wakka to Yuna during the Eternal Calm cutscenes-- in that, it sounds a lot like Wakka deals with the elders for her. I guess it's not entirely implausible that Yuna is held up by these nameless elders; sure we don't see it in the games, but Yuna does at times have this sense of apprehension at returning to Besaid in FFX2. I don't mean that in a bad way: just as she said that she 'felt like a runaway child coming home', it's almost as if she expected to be chided. Considering that she was pretty much raised by these temple elders, it would make a lot of sense that she defers a lot to them. In FFX2, apart from the mission involving the fiends coming out of Besaid temple (and in that one, everyone in the temple was evacuated, so...), there was really no other reason for Yuna to go into the  temple. Also, when Yuna was to stay over in Besaid for a night, she stayed in Lulu's house, and not the room in the temple as stated in the novel. Perhaps I'm reading into it too much, but given all the information I suppose it can be assumed that when Yuna came back to Besaid over the course of FFX2, she would avoid the temple, and by extension the elders. Hence, even if we don't see much of the elders throughout the games, it's not unlikely that they would occupy her and disallow her from interacting with Tidus.

Again, just my two cents on the controversies surrounding this entire novella-- a novel can be interpreted in so many ways, especially given how vague the Japanese language is. I'd like to believe Nojima didn't just up and decided to butcher the entire series just to create a bit more drama. I do appreciate the backstory he is fleshing out for us, although of course I haven't had a chance to read the rest of the novel yet, so... In any case, thanks so much for translating the novel once again!

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #92 on: January 16, 2015, 10:36:38 am »
Hey, Fyire. Thanks for taking the time and patience to read our translations. We respect everybody's views on this novella's contents, even if some of us do get a little bit passionate. :P

However, even with these characters' defining personalties and where they stand in regards to X-2, it also brings up some confusion. Yes, Lulu may have been cold to a lot of people, especially Tidus, in the beginning of FFX, but we are left to assume that most of her disdain towards him was chalked up to him looking very similar to her late boyfriend, him seemingly having gotten a whiff of Sin's toxins leading to distrust, and the not-too-subtle chemistry between him and Yuna. But now, Lulu's moved on, marrying another man and having a child; Tidus has proven himself a sane man by technically being from Zanarkand after all; and with Yuna still alive and them being very much in love, I could see her approving of their time together if it means Yuna will be happy. I could probably see Lulu being sceptical if Tidus came back in a suspicious or coincidental-in-a-bad-way manner, but him coming back after the world has been saved by another terror, you'd think she'd be more relaxed seeing a friend who she hasn't seen in two years. Instead, she acts like Tidus is now half-cyborg or something. Just eerily cold and even displeased with him. The same could be said for Rikku.

By the way, Square is announcing a new game at the end of the month. What could it be? FFX-3? Dissidia 3? I know I've predicted this numerous times and gotten it wrong, but something tells me that maybe I just might get what I'm looking for. Could be because they're announcing Dragon Quest Theatrhythm too!
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #93 on: January 16, 2015, 12:40:11 pm »
It's always great to meet fellow fans of the series!! I haven't been able to play my HD Remaster copy since it came out due to school, so I only just recently played it, and discovered the existence of the novella and the audio drama. What really bothers me is that Tidus would move to Bevelle of all places. Since he's a professional blitzball player, it would have made more sense for him to move to Luca. Bevelle isn't even close to Luca... they sure came up with a lot of loose ends with these productions.

Hmm... I'd postulate that because Lulu has always been rather pessimistic, her coldness towards Tidus could stem from her worry that he will disappear and disappoint Yuna again. She does come off as slightly standoffish, especially at the part where Tidus mentions that she has new priorities.

Perhaps it could also be, as one other user mentioned, that Tidus is an unreliable narrator to some extent. It's hard to say, really. It's clear that Tidus is more than a little shaken by how much he has missed.

I do hope we will hope a FFX-3, but with news reports it seems like Dissidia 3 is a little plausible. As long as they don't cook up another story surrounding the entire Fabula Nova Crystallis series...

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #94 on: January 16, 2015, 01:30:11 pm »
However, who can say Tidus moved to Bevelle specifically for his blitzball career? My theory is that he had to leave because Besaid was getting way too pro-Yevoner for his own tastes and safety. You find out in the audio drama that it's become a reclusion for the Yevoners and Yuna became their little spokesperson. And we all know about Tidus' distrust for Yevon, even in the name. But hey, we don't know much about that aspect in the novel yet, so it's too early to conclude.

It could be a case of narrator-bias, but then again, this novel isn't entirely or specifically in first-person. Maybe they had to improvise for this French translation, but from what I've heard the narration in the original Japanese is a weird and random combination of first-person and third-person. It makes it hard to decipher what we're supposed to be feeling for Tidus. Or, well... maybe Tidus, tragically enough, isn't as welcomed on Besaid as we were led to believe at the end of X-2. Most of this novel is first/third-person view from Tidus, before switching over to Yuna at the end. In fact, judging by her strange deja vu-ish behaviour in the audio drama and what Ifarnal does to her, maybe she's the one whose narration is distorted. Or everything is symbolic. That works, right? Again, too early to conclude.

You know what I would love? A Dissidia game with the Dynasty Warriors engine; with elements of Final Fantasy peppered into it. This Dynasty Warriors trend seems to be popular nowadays with Hyrule Warriors, Gundam Warriors and One Piece: Pirate Warriors. I could really see a Dissidia Warriors working. Especially since the character roster and map sizes could almost match that of a regular Dynasty Warriors game. Heck, they could even imitate the Three Kingdoms with Cosmos' Forces, Chaos' Forces and... Neutral Forces, I guess.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2015, 02:31:33 pm »
Hey guys ! I'm back !  :D

CrystalOfLies, why did you use "she" for the radar ?  ???  here ->  “She may have had her days,” Shinra declared. “End of the road for her.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2015, 03:41:08 pm »
In the English language, if we refer to a piece of machinery by gender, it's usually always female.
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« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2015, 05:13:52 pm »
Oh, ok, I didn't know !  :)

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #98 on: January 19, 2015, 04:22:14 pm »
Fiuuu... The first pages of the chapter 5 were a pain in the ass...  lot of descriptions  >:(

But I will release the chapter tomorrow. Yuna is coming hehe !  :P

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #99 on: January 19, 2015, 04:38:23 pm »
Yay! I've been clicking here everyday to see if you came off of vacation early, hehe. Totally not obsessed or anything >.>

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #100 on: January 19, 2015, 04:40:29 pm »
Wait, who's Poto?! xD

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #101 on: January 19, 2015, 05:00:14 pm »
Oops, sorry, it's Buddy in english !  ;D

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #102 on: January 20, 2015, 01:00:15 pm »
Ah, it just seemed a little odd to me that Tidus would move to Bevelle, of all places... Yeah, I'm hoping they will address that in the novel.

I would actually really love a FFX movie, something like Advent Children Complete! To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of the Dynasty Warriors engine... while the fights do look epic, they aren't as in depth or as fun as it is in Dissidia. The Dissidia fights are actually some of my favs! I'm really curious as to who they will include in a new Dissidia roster.

I'm really excited for the rest of the novel! The reviews are terrible, but I just can't feel at ease without knowing exactly how bad it will be.

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #103 on: January 20, 2015, 01:39:48 pm »
So... my WTF factor for Tidus as a character has increased tenfold with the ending for this chapter. You'll see what I mean.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #104 on: January 20, 2015, 02:01:46 pm »
Haha ! ;D But remember that the passage in the bed is skipped ! I don't know what happened. :P

Anyway, the next chapter deals with Valm ! Yeah !  :D