Author Topic: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth  (Read 23255 times)

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2014, 02:35:11 am »
haha so I just realized something. Since Tidus is a "beckoned" soul who will disapear when he discovers his condition and in the audio drama, Sin is also "beckoned"... couldn't the people of Spira just gather around and scream "Sin! You're not real! Go back to the Farplane!" If Sin is self-aware and understands them, problem solved??  ??? Also, is there any way that this book could be uploaded in French?
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« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2014, 08:32:14 am »
So Tidus is an incarnate spirit, what exactly does that mean?

And do we have an accurate definition of what an aeon core is?

An incarnate spirit is something/someone the death couldn't stop, such as aeons, some monsters or deceased persons, and even Sin, for example.

An aeon core is a fayth. It was a term used 1000 years ago. To be precise, an aeon core is the result of the creation (of the fayth), and, at that time, only the summoner who had created  the fayth could use its powers (because you needeed a strong bond between both of them). So everything was settled in advance (the couple).

haha so I just realized something. Since Tidus is a "beckoned" soul who will disapear when he discovers his condition and in the audio drama, Sin is also "beckoned"... couldn't the people of Spira just gather around and scream "Sin! You're not real! Go back to the Farplane!" If Sin is self-aware and understands them, problem solved??  ??? Also, is there any way that this book could be uploaded in French?

Well, Sin is quite special... he has come back to life a lot of time. Sin is just the "carcass" of Yu Yevon... What is exactly Yu Yevon, I don't remember ? (I mean, what kind of entity ?)

Also, is there any way that this book could be uploaded in French?

I can't. Maybe Cartouche ?
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2014, 10:59:34 am »
I believe Yu Yevon was a normal human who summoned his aeon (Sin) to both combat Bevelle in the war and protect Dream Zanarkand, but Sin's awesome power drained him of most of his humanity and he and Sin soon forgot what their purpose was, instead destroying any trace of civilisation with exaggerated strength. He could have just been a human turned mutant by Sin's influence and old age killed him.

I'm in the belief that Yu Yevon, Seymour and Shuyin are all special kinds of unsent, since they are able to take control of other living bodies and do things in the 'living' world. Maybe they'll expand on that with these three new characters. They're all unsent themselves, after all.
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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2014, 09:00:11 am »
if I had Yuna in front of me, I would ask "Why the **** did you go back Tidus and then treat him like **** ??"

....i'm sorry for my broken english...but I had to say it!

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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2014, 09:30:30 am »
As I have said before, I think that Ifahnal had schemed everything... the destruction of the boat, Tidus' death, etc.

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« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2014, 01:47:03 pm »
I know that Sin was just armor for Yu Yevon, I just wonder who's inside of his beckoned self and if he can hear others. Remember when he responded to the Hymn of Fayth? Who's Cartouche btw?

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2014, 02:01:14 pm »
Cartouche is a French who bought the novel. Read some previous posts.

I will release Chapter 3 on friday. And just after, I will take a break until 01/19/2015 beauce of the holidays and my exams.

EDIT : Chapter 3 is coming ! COL is fixing it !  :D
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« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2014, 01:39:21 pm »
Yep, I bought the novel because I am obviously French and of course because I love Final Fantasy X :) I added some pictures of the book on the previous page. By the way, there are others HERE, but they do not are from me.

Furthermore, I can not upload all the content of the book, it would take me a lot of time. I think it is better to wait the English translation, and then it's a simpler language to understand ! I know that ChercheurObscur and CrystalOfLies will make the best possible translation !
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« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2014, 01:45:25 pm »
A little bit on Valm's and Kushu's history this chapter.

First of all: the use of the word 'infernal'. There is a character with a similarly-spelled name. I actually smirked at that.

Second: We hear of an old folk tale of the Farplane: bad spirits get sent to Hell (apparently Hell is a place in Spira) while good spirits get turned into... flowers. Is that why we saw all of those purple flowers in the Farplane in X-2? That's actually kind of clever and creepy.

Third: I love how Valm has to whistle to call the Bedohls. If you know anything about X/X-2 I'm sure you know why the whistling part makes me feel giddy.
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« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2014, 02:06:47 pm »
bad spirits get sent to Hell (apparently Hell is a thing in Spira)

uuh... What do you mean here ? Hell is hell, Satan, etc... (but your sentence may be something special in english I don't know)

Also, keep in mind the last sentences of this chapter... In the future, you may merge them with something else...  :P
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« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2014, 12:50:10 am »
Hold up...Square Enix issued an official French translation, but not an English one? Okay then, Square, I see how it is.

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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2014, 01:02:26 am »
bad spirits get sent to Hell (apparently Hell is a thing in Spira)

uuh... What do you mean here ? Hell is hell, Satan, etc... (but your sentence may be something special in english I don't know)

Also, keep in mind the last sentences of this chapter... In the future, you may merge them with something else...  :P

Well, it's rather strange because the "Hell" that we know of has never been mentioned in Spira. The afterlife has always been only referred to as the Farplane, with no distinction between good and bad, or "Heaven" and "Hell".  Aside from the existence of souls, priests, monks and such, there is no direct reference to any of our real world folklore and religious beliefs, so it's kind of bizarre that there' d suddenly be mention of a "Hell" at all.

I don't even know what to make of that. It's akin to them talking about Roman Gods and Godesses. Hell is a concept of many religions on Earth, not in Spira. Ain't no Satan in Spira. Until, now apparently, lmao.

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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2014, 01:19:34 am »
Chile...It's great that you're translating but I'm not even sure if I can read anymore of this novel stuff. I'm kind of in the mindset of washing my hands of it all. Square done pissed me off, they really showed some AUDACITY here, and I'm still mad.

Them editing the Last Mission stuff for example, still can't wrap my head around that one, that really was the last straw for me. As has been mentioned before with the novel, one of the most frustrating things about it is the apparent regression of character everyone's gone through. It's just a hot mess and I don't think it will ever appear as anything remotely close to "good" in my view. And I don't even understand the need for a back story, I mean, who cares about the history of some dead randoms on an island? And killing Tidus? No, babe, NO. Like KK said, they treat their precious Cloud and Lightning like gods, but Tidus is just a disposable joke apparently. Alright, then.

My trust in Square has diminished significantly from this fiasco (and really, the disappointment that was FFXIII as well). They can keep their little novel and I'm just going to pay it dust and pretend it never existed.

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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2014, 04:00:06 am »
Hey, Pyreflies! You're back!

I'm still pretty mad about the tsundere-like behaviour everyone is displaying to Tidus, especially since it just seems to serve the purpose of dealing out contrived drama, but if the rest of the novella is anything like Che described earlier then I might be willing to give it a second chance.

Also I noticed that Tidus seems to be a lot more angry than usual. If it's all the stuff he's been through or if the fayth are just really bad at reconstructing pyreflies, who knows?

And YES about the 'Tidus is the butt of Final Fantasy protags' thing. Cloud is pretty much their mascot and I'm pretty sure Toriyama has a shrine of Lightning built somewhere in his house. Even Vaan gets more respect than poor Tiida. Even these new characters in the novel have more dignity and importance than him.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2014, 05:05:25 am »
Hai Crystal! ^_^

Okay, so I read the first couple chapters, and BARELY made it through before just skimming the third one because no, I do not give a fawk about those other characters.   ::)

But anyway, my opinion can be summoned up with a NOPE. Nope, just no. SMH  :( Ay dios mio, none of that crap made sense, it was not enjoyable  - do not want, abort mission. I'm GOOD, they can keep that. Won't be reading further, it'll make me toss my cookies in revulsion.

But may I just say that the imagery of a dark mass of lord knows what extending beyond Tidus's feet in the ocean - how completely terrifying and foreshadowing of what's to come in this dreg of a book. That really set the tone well - the only "compliment" I'm willing to give.

Sorry guys, you are great for translating this thing, and ChercheurObscur - I've got mad respect for you, so sweet of you to dedicate the time and energy to this.

But I can't be positive about it one bit. In fact, the book itself is the antithesis of positive, which is what I  WANTED and expected, and that's why it's so devastating. If I wanted to partake in depressing angst, I'd turn on Lifetime.

All romantic charm has been cut out of this story with Freddy Kreuger's rusty talons. I really care about the original story and characters, the kinship expressed - that love and friendship, family, yaaaas. So this book is like watching a video of nothing but people kicking puppies and stomping on kittens. I'd rather do without.

Oh, but here's a brief character synopsis:

Lulu's being a b*itch, Rikku's being a b*tch, Yuna's being a stupid, spineless b*tch and Wakka is perhaps being more stupid and oblivious than he used to be, though at least he hasn't regressed to being racist - brownie points for Wakka, ya'll. And Tidus well, he probaby needs some Paxil.

Overall, I am CHARMED, guys, let me tell you. Can't you tell?  >_>
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